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[wagnerog]

 Hey everyone!
I just wanna know if someone have some advices in how to make a perfect warrior, you know I know how to play
but when it comes to level up and choosing the right attributes I'm not the best so if yall wanna help me out I'd be glad!

[Mr_Steph]

What weapon line are we talking about here? It does play a significant factor after all.

[wagnerog]

I like to use shield and sword.

Modifié par wagnerog, 29 janvier 2011 - 11:58 .

[PlayingWithKnives]

Ok you want a tank warrior i personally go with a dagger and shield because of the faster attack speed. put points in strength to allow for warrior tanking abilities and any armor requirements you will want. then everything else into dex.
You have a choice of 3 out the 4 specializations templar / reaver / champion obviously you can only pick 2 for an origins playthrough, templar is awsome against mages. i know alot of people really like champion but i also find reaver has merrit and is worth a look.

early talents for me it has to be the second and third line of sword and shield at least the up to shield wall and the passive from the 3rd line shield block,
then aim for the first 2 abilities from the warrior talents like threaten and taunt.

Modifié par PlayingWithKnives, 30 janvier 2011 - 01:01 .

[wagnerog]

Thanks man I'll see how that work out and then I tell you!

[Pathogen69]

i usually make a bee-line for taunt the threaten abilities first and foremost. just speaking from my own personal experience, but, tanking early on in the game is a pain in the butt to try and do. until you can equip your warrior with massive armor, threaten and taunt will help immensely early on, especially when your dps toon will have a tendency to pull mobs off of ya with sheer DPS, regardless of the armor type they are wearing.



as far as the talents go, this is again from just my personal experience, i just put points into str and dex just to fulfill armor and weapon reqs, and shield talents in the tree. after that, i concentrated more on con and willpower.

[HolyAvenger]

I'm the opposite, I don't tend to build con too much as that's what health pots/heal spells are there for. Prefer Str/Dex. In terms of sword and board, I like getting Shield Wall upgraded as soon as possible to resist knockdowns, I find that quite handy in boss fights.

[Ferretinabun]

And don't forget to take a bow as a secondary weapon! Even without taking a single archery talent, your high dex will mean you'll be doing at least some damage with it, and for a warrior doing optimal damage, time spent running towards an enemy instead of plinking away with a bow and letting them come to you is time wasted.

[Last Darkness]

26 Dex, all other Points Str except for a few in Cun for Coercion if you want. This is for the more offensive sword and shield warrior. Suggest Champion/Reaver or Champion/Templar



Though if you really wanna have fun, duel wield daggers, enough str to wear your armor(maybe 36-38) and all other points Dex. Berserker/Reaver Spec. With A mage or Two in the party to debuff and buff this build does some of the highest damage possible in the game.

[GuyWhoLovesCakes]

Get starfang best long sword in game and if you want to make a perfect warrior i wouldn't bother going SnS seeing as Alistair is a SnS and you really don't need one if you know what you're doing.

Go dual wield like Last Darkness said.

Pump 32 dex however and rest in str and do the circle of tower mage line quest and you'll get the extra 4+ dex.

DW is closest to perfect warrior if you ask me.

[termokanden]

Or you could go for DW daggers as suggested above. Then you have a high-damage warrior that is also unhittable by the end of the game. Then you can ask yourself why you would need a shield.

[Doriath]

termokanden wrote...

Or you could go for DW daggers as suggested above. Then you have a high-damage warrior that is also unhittable by the end of the game. Then you can ask yourself why you would need a shield.

You would need a shield in order to tank. That would be the point of going down the shield tree. Being unhittable for a damage dealer is pretty much irrelevant since your tank should be keeping all the attention on them, meaning you really shouldn't be getting swung on in the first place.

Anyway, what is the perfect warrior is a pointless discussion. You have decide what your role will be. That determines which tree is the most appropriate. For example, the shield tree is best left for a tank build. That's not to say you can't play a damage dealing warrior using the shield tree, you just have to realize that its going to be inefficient compared to a TH or DW in the same role.

If you want to play a sword and shield warrior, I highly suggest you take over the tank role for your party and focus on getting to 42 strength early on. That way you can wear the best armor for a tank in Orgins and from that point on you max your dexterity to make it hard to hit you as you keep the attention on your character and away from the rest of your party. 20 constitution is enough for a dexterity-based tank. Add the lifegiver ring if you feel you need more for prolonged battles.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 03 février 2011 - 08:12 .

[GuyWhoLovesCakes]

chrisnabal wrote...

termokanden wrote...

Or you could go for DW daggers as suggested above. Then you have a high-damage warrior that is also unhittable by the end of the game. Then you can ask yourself why you would need a shield.

You would need a shield in order to tank. That would be the point of going down the shield tree. Being unhittable for a damage dealer is pretty much irrelevant since your tank should be keeping all the attention on them, meaning you really shouldn't be getting swung on in the first place.

Anyway, what is the perfect warrior is a pointless discussion. You have decide what your role will be. That determines which tree is the most appropriate. For example, the shield tree is best left for a tank build. That's not to say you can't play a damage dealing warrior using the shield tree, you just have to realize that its going to be inefficient compared to a TH or DW in the same role.

If you want to play a sword and shield warrior, I highly suggest you take over the tank role for your party and focus on getting to 42 strength early on. That way you can wear the best armor for a tank in Orgins and from that point on you max your dexterity to make it hard to hit you as you keep the attention on your character and away from the rest of your party. 20 constitution is enough for a dexterity-based tank. Add the lifegiver ring if you feel you need more for prolonged battles.

It all depends on how you want to play the game i mean, A high lvl rogue with everything pumped into dex will be the best tank there is as in solo play i mean a rogue can be a better tank than a warrior.
It all depends on how good you are in this game even a DW warrior can tank it just depends on how you build your characters.

[Doriath]

GuyWhoLovesCakes wrote...

It all depends on how you want to play the game i mean, A high lvl rogue with everything pumped into dex will be the best tank there is as in solo play i mean a rogue can be a better tank than a warrior.
It all depends on how good you are in this game even a DW warrior can tank it just depends on how you build your characters.

Huh? No a rogue can never be a better tank than a warrior because they don't have access to attention drawing abilities like taunt and threaten, and once you get passive talents from the shield tree you start eliminating bonuses for flanking enemies and can no longer be knocked down, both situations that a rogue cannot avoid.

Yes, in theory a DW warrior can tank, but misses all of the bonuses offered by the shield tree that you get for outputting less damage. As a tank's role is to absorb damage and draw attention as opposed to output damage, this is an acceptable trade-off. DW talents are purely offensive so what is the sense of playing a defensive role with a talent tree that isn't optimized for that? Seems backwards to me.

Also, if you're playing solo, there is no tank. The tank is a concept/build meant for a party. Solo is solo. You can't tank for yourself and there is no party to draw attention away from.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 03 février 2011 - 08:37 .

[GuyWhoLovesCakes]

chrisnabal wrote...

GuyWhoLovesCakes wrote...

It all depends on how you want to play the game i mean, A high lvl rogue with everything pumped into dex will be the best tank there is as in solo play i mean a rogue can be a better tank than a warrior.
It all depends on how good you are in this game even a DW warrior can tank it just depends on how you build your characters.

Huh? No a rogue can never be a better tank than a warrior because they don't have access to attention drawing abilities like taunt and threaten, and once you get passive talents from the shield tree you start eliminating bonuses for flanking enemies and can no longer be knocked down, both situations that a rogue cannot avoid.

Yeah a DW warrior can tank, but misses all of the bonuses offered by the shield tree that you get simply for trading in damage. As a tank's role is to absorb damage and draw attention as opposed to output damage, this is an acceptable trade-off. DW talents are purely offensive so what is the sense of playing a defensive role with a talent tree that isn't optimized for that? Seems backwards to me.

Also, if you're playing solo, there is no tank. The tank is a concept/build designed for a party. Solo is solo. You can't tank for yourself. Who are you absorbing damage for and drawing attention away from?

IF your a rogue with dex pumped as max as possible you won't be soaking any damage mainly everything will miss you.
I'm not saying you should go play a DW warrior just cus you want to tank stuff.
All i'm saying is if you're a DW warrior won't die that easy since you have 36 dex or more and you'll be doing ****loads of damage while not being that squishy in early stages as opposed to DW rogues.
And besides why bother using tanks when you can easily go trough in this game on Nightmare without using one.

And the fact that DW warrior is the best warrior in my eyes compared to the 2h or the tank one for a fact that a DW warrior has both being able to take damage and the fact to diss out lots of damage and practially kill lots of mobs in 1-2 blows.

Modifié par GuyWhoLovesCakes, 03 février 2011 - 08:35 .

[Doriath]

GuyWhoLovesCakes wrote...

IF your a rogue with dex pumped as max as possible you won't be soaking any damage mainly everything will miss you.
I'm not saying you should go play a DW warrior just cus you want to tank stuff.
All i'm saying is if you're a DW warrior won't die that easy since you have 36 dex or more and you'll be doing ****loads of damage while not being that squishy in early stages as opposed to DW rogues.
And besides why bother using tanks when you can easily go trough in this game on Nightmare without using one.

And the fact that DW warrior is the best warrior in my eyes compared to the 2h or the tank one for a fact that a DW warrior has both being able to take damage and the fact to diss out lots of damage and practially kill lots of mobs in 1-2 blows.

Are you basing your opinions around solo play? In a party, a dexterity-based rogue will cause enemies to miss a lot yes, but only those actually swining at you. For one, you have no abilites to draw attention to yourself and two, enemies are often drawn to who is attacking them so without a tank to draw attention any mages or ranged damage dealers in your party are going to die a lot on nightmare.

I don't see how you can get through the game on nightmare with a party and not have a tank. I would love to see video of that. Again, if you're speaking from the standpoint of playing solo that's fine but you need to understand that most people don't play that way and I certainly don't base my suggestions and advice on it.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 03 février 2011 - 08:48 .

[GuyWhoLovesCakes]

chrisnabal wrote...

GuyWhoLovesCakes wrote...

IF your a rogue with dex pumped as max as possible you won't be soaking any damage mainly everything will miss you.
I'm not saying you should go play a DW warrior just cus you want to tank stuff.
All i'm saying is if you're a DW warrior won't die that easy since you have 36 dex or more and you'll be doing ****loads of damage while not being that squishy in early stages as opposed to DW rogues.
And besides why bother using tanks when you can easily go trough in this game on Nightmare without using one.

And the fact that DW warrior is the best warrior in my eyes compared to the 2h or the tank one for a fact that a DW warrior has both being able to take damage and the fact to diss out lots of damage and practially kill lots of mobs in 1-2 blows.

Are you basing your opinions around solo play? In a party, a dexterity-based rogue will cause enemies to miss a lot yes, but only those actually swining at you. For one, you have no abilites to draw attention to yourself and two, enemies are often drawn to who is attacking them so without a tank to draw attention any mages or ranged damage dealers in your party are going to die a lot on nightmare.

I don't see how you can get through the game on nightmare with a party and not have a tank. I would love to see video of that. Again, if you're speaking from the standpoint of playing solo that's fine but you need to understand that most people don't play that way and I certainly don't base my suggestions and advice on it.

Well, sorry for basing my opinions on solo play.
Each to his own i guess.

[Doriath]

No need to apologize, I just didn't realize you were speaking in terms of solo play at first. I understand now.

[GuyWhoLovesCakes]

chrisnabal wrote...

No need to apologize, I just didn't realize you were speaking in terms of solo play at first. I understand now.

Naw, it's okay it's just if you've gone trough the game on nightmare lotsa times solo becomes a cakewalk at some points if you handle it correctly:D

[termokanden]

Why can't you tank without a shield? My 2h warrior tanked just fine. When I had a DW damage dealer as main character, I was tanking most of the time without even trying.

Modifié par termokanden, 03 février 2011 - 09:58 .

[GuyWhoLovesCakes]

termokanden wrote...

Why can't you tank without a shield? My 2h warrior tanked just fine. When I had a DW damage dealer as main character, I was tanking most of the time without even trying.

Indeed, That's a DW warrior half tankish and big debuff/mob killer:D