SandTrout wrote...
If the Prothean's looked like Collectors, then this is a pretty severe, and poorly done, retcon because all images depicting the Protheans in ME1 match closer to the Ilos statues.
samurai crusade wrote...
It's possible that the statues on Illos and the codex image of the Protheans are not Prothean at all. Hear me out. The Galaxy thought Protheans created the Citadel and Relays... they didn't, there is just the most evidence of that civilization. The statues could easily be of another race and the Protheans either A. Preserved them or B. just happened to colonize worlds that these statues were found on. Illos was unknown to the Reapers as a Prothean site (because it was a secret expirement) but the Reapers could have wiped out the former species of Illos melenia ago. This would not be a retcon either... because the galactic civ is just blind to the history of the galaxy.
Modifié par MrDizaztar, 30 janvier 2011 - 05:27 .
hawat333 wrote...
The only way a 50 000 years old beacon knowing how the Protheans look like now is the Protheans being hibernated for all this time.
Even one thousand years bring much more change.
Modifié par didymos1120, 30 janvier 2011 - 01:23 .
Isn't this a contradiction?didymos1120 wrote...
No, the explanation is that the first Collectors appeared ~50,000 years ago, likely toward the end of the centuries-long harvesting process, and were encountered by some Protheans who hadn't died, been indoctrinated, husked, or captured yet, and they put some images on a storage device
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Isn't this a contradiction?didymos1120 wrote...
No, the explanation is that the first Collectors appeared ~50,000 years ago, likely toward the end of the centuries-long harvesting process, and were encountered by some Protheans who hadn't died, been indoctrinated, husked, or captured yet, and they put some images on a storage device
Modifié par didymos1120, 30 janvier 2011 - 07:35 .
Xilizhra wrote...
A beacon vision in ME2 shows the Protheans fairly clearly as Collector-like.
Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 30 janvier 2011 - 07:44 .
Aedan_Cousland wrote...
The Protheans in the visions look like the statues on Ilos, with the added scene in ME2 showing the transformation of some Protheans into the gentically and cybernetically modified Collectors.
OK, I can't say that's totally impossibe in theory, but it's very implausible. Because allowing the holdouts to survive into the last stages of the reaping process would be just asking some of them to survive until after the process, which would break the cycle. I don't think the Reapers would tolerate such a possibility...didymos1120 wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Isn't this a contradiction?didymos1120 wrote...
No, the explanation is that the first Collectors appeared ~50,000 years ago, likely toward the end of the centuries-long harvesting process, and were encountered by some Protheans who hadn't died, been indoctrinated, husked, or captured yet, and they put some images on a storage device
Uh, no. You really don't see how there could have been even just a few Prothean holdouts here and there until fairly late in the process? But whatever. The specifics of the timing don't really matter anyway. All that matters is that the harvesting took awhile, and there was enough time available such that the very first Collectors could have appeared while some of the last "free range" Protheans were still around. Maybe it happened in the first few decades. Maybe it was at around the halfway mark. I just personally find it more likely that the first Collectors appeared fairly late, as it seems to me that fits more with what Mordin says about them, and also fits better with no images of them being in the beacon visions from ME1, which were the work of the Ilos group (and just in case: no, I'm not interested in debating Vigil's veracity, so if you don't accept that part of the story, oh well. I do).
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 janvier 2011 - 12:42 .
The only question is: how much of the Prothean cyber-tech was originally their own, and how much was what they discovered, reverese-engineered, adopted from some other race's relics found in dark caves on distant planets...Bluko wrote...
I believe the Protheans were Cyborgs to a certain extent. The statues you see on Ilos are not "Husk Protheans". They are Protheans as they were, more or less. The Protheans wouldn't have had time to build statues of Husk versions of themselves, and frankly it serves no purpose.
Now one thing to keep in mind is that these Statues are probably just art. And we know that the Protheans we're pretty tech savy. So it really shouldn't be a surprise they'd idolize being Cyborgs. For all we know the statues could be their Gods or something. Or perhaps they are just "great" Protheans who eventually became very Cyborg like. We don't know for certain. But I'm guessing the Protheans were heavily intertwined with their own technologies, seeing as they were advanced enough to create Mass Relays. So much so that they look like Husks to us.
The Collectors were needed anyway to crew the base in the Galactic Core. Their elongated heads and wasp-like wings may not be part of their bodies per se, but some kind of bionic armor/helmets/equipment. As to their suitability to be turned into a Reaper, that's still questionable. Maybe they never qualified, even before augmentation, just like most current races don't qualify. Or maybe some of them were "ascended". EDI isn't certain even about her speculations on the Human-Reaper, and indeed she shouldn't be. You'd need to preserve the Collector base to learn some answers.Bluko wrote...
This is probably why the Protheans couldn't be made into Reapers. They were so advanced that the Reapers could not process them since they weren't entirely organic. This also why the Reapers probably decided to make them Collectors. The Reapers further modified them technology implant wise and warped their organic form into insects to make them easier to control.
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