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[- Archangel -]

It's a little ham handed the only way to spare Loghain is to put Anora on the throne.  Considering Alistair is fairly wishy-washy and if you have good persuade skills you can persuade anyone to do anything....

Then in that one decision Alistair grows a steel spine and will force you to kill Loghain.  He's usually reasonable...now he just wants revenge.

That one is just a bit too heavy handed.

[Krenmu]

If someone killed your mentor, all your friends, your half brother, Poisoned the guy who took you in...etc.. the list goes on...I'm pretty sure you would be all for killing him as well.

[Alynna_tp]

Well I see where you are coming from Archangel, but remember that Loghain is responsible for the death of the person Alistair looked up to as a father. Alistair wants to avenge Duncan, and won't stand for sticking around while he's allowed to live. Hey, if you play as Human noble, your character should be right in there stabbity stabbing away anway.

[Darthnemesis2]

I completely understand Alistair's point of view (having played as a Human Noble). Loghain is a crazy dude who is so afraid of Orlasians that he sacrificed his own King (the son of his best friend) in order to put himself on the throne.

[ComTrav]

It's also worth pointing out Loghain has spent the whole game poo-pooing the Gray Wardens, and Alistair believes very strongly in the Wardens. (Which is why I thought it would be poetic justice for Loghain to become a Warden, but Alistair sees it as a privilege, not a punishment--which is interesting, as a few origin stories have you joining the Wardens because it's your only way out of a particular situation.)

[GhoXen]

The tough choice for me was whether I should kill Loghain or Alistair doing it. Also, why do the characters always use that badly textured two-handed sword when they are executing someone?

[Maria Caliban]

Alistair: the first male BioWare companion I seriously considered romancing.

Alistair: the first male BioWare companion I decided was just a whining douche.



Good thing I found out what a tool he was on my first playthrough.

[MrGOH]

I liked the the decisions you face at the Landsmeet, and I think Alistair's refusal to abide a pardoned Loghain makes perfect sense - Loghain essentially murdered Alistair's personal hero.



However, I think a female romancing him with high approval and coercion should be able to persuade him to stay. It shouldn't be easy. I don't think a male character could ever be a good enough buddy with him to get him to accept it, but I think it would be in character for him to accept the decision if it comes from his One True Love. He may whine about it, but that's par for the course.

[Taerda]

Yes, the whole thing was too constraining - perhaps a mod will come along that will allow you to kill Anora along with her father.

[Luthon]

was i the only one who was glad to have loghain instead of allistar? seriously allistar is a dumb character when the option came up I gladly took it, I was at neg approval anyways so i was gonna lose him but now i got someone id consider using.

[deltaxsi]

Not to mention the queen calling for Alistair's execution. I was ready to flip sides then, but there weren't any options to do unfortunately. I mean really. After all he's done, you think it would be in the COUNTRY'S best interests to kill him? Nope. Not ok.

[MrGOH]

deltaxsi wrote...

Not to mention the queen calling for Alistair's execution. I was ready to flip sides then, but there weren't any options to do unfortunately. I mean really. After all he's done, you think it would be in the COUNTRY'S best interests to kill him? Nope. Not ok.

Can you tell her no? I mean, isn't the default setting for noble Grey Wardens to be disinherited anyway? I guess she's just paranoid...

[Lenin]

I don't like the lack of decisions that were available.

[Walina]

- Archangel - wrote...

It's a little ham handed the only way to spare Loghain is to put Anora on the throne.  Considering Alistair is fairly wishy-washy and if you have good persuade skills you can persuade anyone to do anything....

Then in that one decision Alistair grows a steel spine and will force you to kill Loghain.  He's usually reasonable...now he just wants revenge.

That one is just a bit too heavy handed.

I agree because I just finished the dwarves and Landmeet look so... short.
With dwarves you have to :
-  choose a side
- win the gladiator tournament
- kill the leader of the mafia
- find Branka in the deep road

Really long quest to do to put just a dwarve king on the throne

[Taleroth]

I agree that it was somewhat forced. I can understand Alistair wanting him dead. I can't understand him wanting him dead fullstop, end discussion, dead dead, or he leaves abandoning his duty while still spouting that Loghaine will probably stab you all in the back, but Alistair doesn't care because now the Blight could kill everyone, he's going to be out drinking.

He could make plenty other demands.  He could argue for a concession or middle ground.  He could stay to keep an eye on Loghain.  But no, he abandons his duty and leaves the Blight to potentially kill everyone.

Way to go, Champ.  Enjoy those Archdemon nightmares as the world ends.

Modifié par Taleroth, 24 novembre 2009 - 06:56 .

[Walina]

Taleroth wrote...

I agree that it was somewhat forced. I can understand Alistair wanting him dead. I can't understand him wanting him dead fullstop, end discussion, dead dead, or he leaves abandoning his duty while still spouting that Loghaine will probably stab you all in the back, but Alistair doesn't care because now the Blight could kill everyone, he's going to be out drinking.

He could make plenty other demands.  He could argue for a concession or middle ground.  He could stay to keep an eye on Loghain.  But no, he abandons his duty and leaves the Blight to potentially kill everyone.

Way to go, Champ.  Enjoy those Archdemon nightmares as the world ends.

+10

[Invalidcode]

Lenin wrote...

I don't like the lack of decisions that were available.

Hmm there are actually many possible outcome for the landsmeet event, at least 6 or 7.
Decisions wise you make 2 (or 3) important ones. Who gets the throne & what to do with Loghain, the 3rd decision you could make would be the marriage between Alistar, the queen & possible yourself.

Isn't too bad if you ask me, story wise it is convincing since there are only two real canidicate for the throne.

[PinkShira]

MrGOH wrote...

I liked the the decisions you face at the Landsmeet, and I think Alistair's refusal to abide a pardoned Loghain makes perfect sense - Loghain essentially murdered Alistair's personal hero.

However, I think a female romancing him with high approval and coercion should be able to persuade him to stay. It shouldn't be easy. I don't think a male character could ever be a good enough buddy with him to get him to accept it, but I think it would be in character for him to accept the decision if it comes from his One True Love. He may whine about it, but that's par for the course.

I totally agree.  I think with high persuation skills and the fact that he is in love with you means you can make him stay.  People keep talking about Duncan as his father, but he wants family which a female PC is giving him.  He says he's never felt like this before so why do I suddenly matter less than Duncan.  He's only known Duncan for 6 months so it's not like a lifetime with him.

[daguest]

Lenin wrote...

I don't like the lack of decisions that were available.

There is a lot of decision.
-you loose during the vote of the nobles (never try, don't know what happen).
-marry anora and alistair, loghain killed (only by yourself)
-alistair king, loghain dead
-anora queen, alistair dead (never try) or away, loghain alive
-anora queen, alistair alive, loghain dead
-PC queen with alistair king, loghain dead
and somewhere i read you can be king by marrying with anora if you are human noble male. Not sure about it. In this case i guess loghain is alive and alistair away or dead.

The only thing i find disapointing is about cauldren (not sure of her name, the right hand of loghain). If you don't kill her, she will meet you here before the landsmeet, and you can persuade her that loghain is a mad man. She will eventually agree, and then she just disapear. Never meet her again, or heard about her.

[Walina]

I can't really call that choices and that still pretty light comapre of what you have to do for dwarves.
I disagree that you've to made those choices only at Landmeet that's why I felt cornered.

Modifié par Walina, 24 novembre 2009 - 07:10 .

[likeorasgod]

MrGOH wrote...

deltaxsi wrote...

Not to mention the queen calling for Alistair's execution. I was ready to flip sides then, but there weren't any options to do unfortunately. I mean really. After all he's done, you think it would be in the COUNTRY'S best interests to kill him? Nope. Not ok.

Can you tell her no? I mean, isn't the default setting for noble Grey Wardens to be disinherited anyway? I guess she's just paranoid...

When I did my Noble Human play through I had the option...You owe me a BOON cause I sided with her to keep him from dieing....than I rebooted back and got them to marry.  I konly did ti to get her father for the all party recriet achievement.  Though I think on my next human play through I'm going kill him off, get her father as a warden and marry the Queen....than I'll poison her in the middle of the night 8P

[JamieCOTC]

Yeah, Alister. Didn't you learn anything from the Dalish/Werewolf catastrophe?

[red8x]

What really irritated me was that while Alistair wanted to kill Loghain he refused to be equally as vengeful against Anora and wanted her put in a tower until he figured out what to do with her.  Anora who kept repeating how she should remain queen because she had been ruling wonderfully for the past 5 years.  Really, if she was such a great queen then why on earth is Ferelden falling apart?   In my opinion by saying she had been queen for 5 years and such a great leader she basically admitted responsibility for everything that has been going wrong.  But I guess we're supposed to think Alistair a gentleman for being so lenient on Anora, the Queen, who really should have had a shorter leash on her crazy father.

[tmp7704]

PinkShira wrote...

I totally agree.  I think with high persuation skills and the fact that he is in love with you means you can make him stay.  People keep talking about Duncan as his father, but he wants family which a female PC is giving him.  He says he's never felt like this before so why do I suddenly matter less than Duncan.

It's not a matter of mattering less, it's a matter of the person he's in love with asking him to suddenly co-operate with the person he hates the most and the murderer of what he considered to be his entire family, one he's found after years of living on his own and longing for it. I'd say this probably comes to him as a sort of betrayal he'd never expect from this one person (the PC) and it's heart-breaking for him enough on its own.

It's on the level of the human noble PC suddenly being asked to take Howe as part of the team, or that arl's **** of the son in the city elf origin line. I can definitely see why he'd blow a fuse over it and wanted nothing more to do with people who'd even consider asking him for that, but wish them all to burn in hell.