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[RDS051]

Hey peoples.

Leafing through several different ME2 forum pages, reading every man's voice about,
A) Losing/gaining the Mako/Hammerhead,
Love interests, or lack thereof,
C) ME2 being an RPG or not,
and going through all bile and trollin', I realized something.

I used to like Mass Effect. Don't get me wrong, I still like it, but I used to love it, unconditionally.
Every little thing that happened was amazing, cool and alien,  the species, landing on unchartered
planets and discovering them in my own lil' tank, saving the universe from imminent doom -
It was all beautiful.

But then you guys had to come along with all your colorful different opinions (And those of you who
voice that opinion rather.. Strongly), trying to make sense of everything, tying logic into everything, 
and it completely ruined the game for me, 'cos I agreed. "Yeah, now you mention it, that's rather off,"
or "This could'a definitely be done better, BioWare," and so on, devoutly agreeing with those comments,
and furiously disagreeing with others.

I'm only half serious, of course, for those whose toes are easily stepped on.
Noone's forcing me to read the forums, after all, though I'm usually not much of a forum-goer. 

Now, I'm wondering, does anyone else experience that? Going into a game, naiveté-mode engaged,
and come out grim and soiled, by all those evil forumers?

Ponder on that, friends. Or not, of course.

Modifié par RDS051, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:14 .

[Kusy]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 31 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[ZachForrest]

I started checking the forums out of a genuine interest in peoples opinions of a game i loved.

Now I hate everyone and everyones opinion is a load bollocks.

I even hate you. You whiney bastard.

(what have i become?)

edit: just to make clear. I agree with OP

Modifié par ZachForrest, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:29 .

[Cru Hunter]

If no one complained, how would anything get better? Sure, there are some people who can be over-zealous about it. Still, there are some productive things that come forward. You're blaming people for wanting the next game to be better?

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

I agree with you OP

[nat11]

No matter what it is there is always room for improvement. And of course no matter what it is everybody will have something to say about it.

[Walker White]

I have watched people argue violently over RPGs since the 70s. Every new version of D&D was the end of the world, ruining it for all the enlightened people that loved the previous version. Or people would add/suggest changes convinced they were right, and then loathe it when they were implemented.



This type of talk no longer affects me anymore.

[MrDizazta]

Kill it with fire?



Yeah I kinda agree with the OP. It seems like a lot of the Mass Effect fans are either RPG elitist who want to have drinking water and eating food in a game to gain health as opposed to what ever the hell you consider Mass Effect 2 to be. Also I would like to go on note that I love Mass Effect 2. I feel that the combat is very rewarding and responsive compared with 1 and the number one thing I hated about 1 was my inventory mostly because the game complained all the time you went over the limit and half the time you are over the limit, you are no where near a damn shop to sell your excess.

[Lumikki]

I know what you mean OP. Sometimes when others starts mock something you self like, it doesn't feel good. In some cases it ruins the enjoyment of something. So, sometimes it just better play some game than come to games forum.

[Kusy]

Learn to ignore - it's a golden remedy for anything out here, on the internet wastes.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:34 .

[Scimal]

RDS051 wrote...


Now, I'm wondering, does anyone else experience that? Going into a game, naiveté-mode engaged,
and come out grim and soiled, by all those evil forumers?

Ponder on that, friends. Or not, of course.

I'd say that's probably par for the course.

It's why I don't visit the DA:O forums that often, and since I just recently discovered ME, I checked out the community and felt it even a tad worse.

The problem with most of the threads I see is that people try to feel better about the ambiguity present in parts of the game(s) by shooting it down. Unfortunately, since this is a Sci-Fi RPG (Good lord, BioWare, you just had to grab me by the balls by making one, didn't you?), most people don't have enough scientific knowledge to judge what's a giant plot hole and what's possible.

There are also a lot of amateur writers/authors out there who are jealous of the success of the (relatively) simple story.

Some complaints are valid (the pacing of ME2 could be better, and the Mako portions of ME1 did need improvement)... but the internet is full of "experts" who will point out large portions of the game world that don't make sense.

As a bona-fide scientist (Biologist) and a holder of an English degree, I actually enjoy the game. As much as the writers will try, they will never be 100% scientifically accurate - that would be a very boring game, and they will never expound upon the story as they want. Time limits are imposed by both publishers and finances, so while the writers and company would really like to flesh out each and every character with a full 15-hour experience per person, it's just not feasible.

What's important is that, compared to the other games out at the moment (even amongst other Sci-Fi RPGs), it is very good. Good enough to get me to play through it several times over.

Keep what you like, acknowledge the flaws, and hold what you really enjoy close. Some things will always perplex me (like, why does Liara have eyebrows?), but that's miniscule compared to the %#!^ing awesome ending to ME1 or the awe I felt learning about the Protheans.

Basically, I suppose, just play the game. If you like it, like it. If others don't, let them wallow in the destruction of their own satsifaction.

[Brohammed]

Meh, I try to see the logic behind peoples opinions and I usually disagree with most of the complaints. I know why I love the game, and some strong discussion is not going to change what I love.

[JrayM16]

I definetely agree with the OP. Not that I'm suggesting anyone do this, if you go back through my history of forum posting(back even to the old BioBoards) my optimism went way down, to a period of flaming, to now where I just snark a lot.

[Preston Watamaniuk]

Posts like this are very important. People saying that they liked something about the game is just as important as expressing constructive critique. A balanced viewpoint always allows for better decision making.

[MassEffect762]

So your experience/opinion of the game was distorted/disturbed by the opinions of others on this board?

Alrighty then.

ME1 was a breath of fresh air for a light gamer such as myself.

ME2 was less interesting.(imo)

I blame the money(EA) and all it took was one round of ME2 for me(opinion) to realize that.


On a side note I just watched "Prophets of Doom" on History Channel and those issues discussed really put things into perspective.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 30 janvier 2011 - 03:28 .

[AdmiralCheez]

You are definitely not the only one, OP. The internet has a habit of ruining everything.

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Ignorance is bliss.

It's the same thing with me, sorta, but their opinions don't really affect my views of the game at the end of the day. No one can take away the experience of me playing through ME2 for the very first time.

Modifié par xXSnak3Eat3rXx, 30 janvier 2011 - 03:20 .

[Pacifien]

Many things I love can be torn apart when taken through a fine comb. I did this with Star Wars (Have I ever mentioned the four months I once spent trying to make Return of the Jedi a good movie? It was a traumatic experience is all.), Star Trek, Lord of the Rings... I did it with Battlestar Galactica but I never loved that show. And so I could do that with Mass Effect, but I choose not to. It is entertaining, usually fun to play, and the universe has potential for the rare occasions I get imaginative.

Now I know some people really didn't find the second game entertaining for whatever reason. Because I did, we will never see eye to eye, and there isn't much point in my entering into a dialogue with them. There could be much namecalling upon each other because we disagree, but there isn't much I can do about it if someone chooses to view me as an ignorant fanboy who drank the koolaid and has the intelligence and attention span of a five-year-old. They can think that as I have no compulsion to hand them my resume to prove otherwise.

[habitat 67]

It doesn't take long to figure out who the obnoxious people are and when you do, you ignore them. There's actually some nice people in here otherwise.

[Phategod1]

RDS051 wrote...

Hey peoples.

Leafing through several different ME2 forum pages, reading every man's voice about,
A) Losing/gaining the Mako/Hammerhead,
Love interests, or lack thereof,
C) ME2 being an RPG or not,
and going through all bile and trollin', I realized something.

I used to like Mass Effect. Don't get me wrong, I still like it, but I used to love it, unconditionally.
Every little thing that happened was amazing, cool and alien,  the species, landing on unchartered
planets and discovering them in my own lil' tank, saving the universe from imminent doom -
It was all beautiful.

But then you guys had to come along with all your colorful different opinions (And those of you who
voice that opinion rather.. Strongly), trying to make sense of everything, tying logic into everything, 
and it completely ruined the game for me, 'cos I agreed. "Yeah, now you mention it, that's rather off,"
or "This could'a definitely be done better, BioWare," and so on, devoutly agreeing with those comments,
and furiously disagreeing with others.

I'm only half serious, of course, for those whose toes are easily stepped on.
Noone's forcing me to read the forums, after all, though I'm usually not much of a forum-goer. 

Now, I'm wondering, does anyone else experience that? Going into a game, naiveté-mode engaged,
and come out grim and soiled, by all those evil forumers?

Ponder on that, friends. Or not, of course.

I don't let the opinions of other affect the way I feel about this game. Is ME2 perfect? No. In my mind there is no such thing as Perfection, but I like the ME2 strayed away from all those ridiculous tropes of old RPG's. no more looting and and other ridiculous things that just doesn't fit the ME universe. So there is nothing no one can say to change my mind about ME2. 

[Shotokanguy]

I'm probably jaded somewhat by the horrible things I've read. I would say that Mass Effect has a horrible chunk in its fanbase, but the truth is ALL fans have a chance of being annoying, misguided, or just bad fans.

[marshalleck]

Valid criticism is usually self-evident when examining its subject, so the source of the criticism should be irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you read it on the internet, from a magazine, or heard it from a friend. So no, I don't usually find myself thinking someone else "ruined" a game for me.

[YooperLaw]

I kind of had the same experience with Final Fantasy XIII.

Never played a Final Fantasy game before in my life; simply didn't own any Sony consoles or play the really early ones. XIII was being released on the 360 so I figured I'd give it a shot to see what all the fuss was about. I ended up really enjoying the game, getting all achievements and even giving it another playthrough about seven or eight months later. It wasn't a perfect game by far, but still it was enjoyable and now I'm looking forward to XIII-2 next year.

Apparently a lot of long-time FF fans couldn't stand the game and trashed it - happens a lot on Kotaku - and for some reason it kind of got to me. I started thinking of FF13 as a not-so-enjoyable game until I played it through the second time and enjoyed it all over again.

Same thing with Mass Effect 2. I really enjoyed my first playthrough - couldn't put the game down - but after I started reading every little critique it started a little nagging in the back of my head. Did a second playthrough and it vanished.

I guess my point is when you get caught up in picking every little detail apart, just about any game seems worse as a result. There's nothing wrong with it ... that's how developers make their future games even better ... but it's best not to get too wrapped up into it.

[ScorpSt]

I compartmentalize. When I'm on the forums, I can watch people pick apart every little piece of the game, but when I play, that part is temporarily pushed out of my mind. It's a liberating experience as I use it to re-watch movies and still get the thrill of seeing it for the first time.

[habitat 67]

Scimal wrote...
I'd say that's probably par for the course.

It's why I don't visit the DA:O forums that often, and since I just recently discovered ME, I checked out the community and felt it even a tad worse.

The problem with most of the threads I see is that people try to feel better about the ambiguity present in parts of the game(s) by shooting it down. Unfortunately, since this is a Sci-Fi RPG (Good lord, BioWare, you just had to grab me by the balls by making one, didn't you?), most people don't have enough scientific knowledge to judge what's a giant plot hole and what's possible.

There are also a lot of amateur writers/authors out there who are jealous of the success of the (relatively) simple story.

Some complaints are valid (the pacing of ME2 could be better, and the Mako portions of ME1 did need improvement)... but the internet is full of "experts" who will point out large portions of the game world that don't make sense.

As a bona-fide scientist (Biologist) and a holder of an English degree, I actually enjoy the game. As much as the writers will try, they will never be 100% scientifically accurate - that would be a very boring game, and they will never expound upon the story as they want. Time limits are imposed by both publishers and finances, so while the writers and company would really like to flesh out each and every character with a full 15-hour experience per person, it's just not feasible.

What's important is that, compared to the other games out at the moment (even amongst other Sci-Fi RPGs), it is very good. Good enough to get me to play through it several times over.

Keep what you like, acknowledge the flaws, and hold what you really enjoy close. Some things will always perplex me (like, why does Liara have eyebrows?), but that's miniscule compared to the %#!^ing awesome ending to ME1 or the awe I felt learning about the Protheans.

Basically, I suppose, just play the game. If you like it, like it. If others don't, let them wallow in the destruction of their own satsifaction.

Wisest post on the boards.