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[blothulfur]

Shanedan a voice of reason in these dark lands at last.

Thought for the day: The candle may light your path in the dark, the Qun will light the path of your life.

Ataash qunari.

[crimzontearz]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

thank you for proving my point PB

some people just do not care about it much, others do.

Yes but some of the people who do care seem to care waaaaay too much. They also act like they're the only people who matter, are the only ones who are "true fans" of bioware, are smarter than everyone else, and should get treated with some sort of inherent level of respect just because they say so.
Which is why some of us just love arguing with them even if we don't care

-clarifying addendum-
I've been collecting comics for around 20 years. I stopped perceiving visual continuity before some people on this forum were even born so honestly they could make an entire 2-d side scrolling sequal in the same uber-stylized vein as Dragon Age Legends and I just wouldn't care. No different to me than when Bachalo takes over penciling a series and gives everyone gothy costumes.

yeah as idiotic as some  of these people may be, arguing with them solely to instigate them is borderline trolling

Modifié par crimzontearz, 01 février 2011 - 12:45 .

[PsychoBlonde]

PurebredCorn wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

It'd be pretty cool if you can have a conversation with a Qunari or two who don't speak Common well and they do things like stop to argue in Qunari about what you just said--that and they respond to most of your inane babble with various levels of glare and/or eye-rolling.

This sounds good to me.

*Three Qunari wander into Lowtown*
Bethany: "What are THEY doing down here?  Spies?"
Hawke: "It's possible.  In any case, I don't think they should just be left to wander around."  *Intercepts the Qunari*  "Excuse me, but I'm going to have to ask you to leave."
Q1: (speaking Qunari) "Is that human talking to us?"
Q2: (speaking Qunari)  "What did it say?"
QSquadLeader: (speaking Qunari) "Quiet." (Speaking Common, sort of.)  "Salutations, tiny squalid creature.  Road impediment will not be the securing of funds from these personages."
Hawke:  "What?"
Q2: (Speaking Qunari) "Great, now it's mad.  Give it a shove and let's get out of here."
Q1: (Speaking Qunari) "Ugh, no, it might have something contagious.  Besides, I think it just asked to know how it should address you."
QSquadLeader:  (Speaking Qunari) "Why does it want to know how to address me?"
Q1:  (Speaking Qunari) "I'll bet it wants to sell you something.  Humans are always doing things like that."
QSquadLeader:  (SQ) "I already told it we don't have any money."
Q2: (SQ) "Can we please just GO?!"
QSquadLeader: (SQ) "Quiet."  (SC,so) "Extreme lack of interest in feeble scam should be apparent from anterior dialog.  However, assuming tiny squalid creature is of reasonable mannerism, wisdom would be appreciated."
Hawke: "What?"
QSquadLeader, annoyed: (SC, so) "Can squalid one impart wisdom regarding locus of uppermost harbor operator or not?"
Hawke: "Uppermost harbor op--You want to know where the harbormaster's office is?"
QSquadLeader: (SC, so) "Assuredly.  These personages require altercation for satisfaction of unpleasantness."
Hawke:  "Um . . . I don't know where he is.  I'm new here myself."
QSquadLeader: *scowl* (SC,so) "Extreme failure of wisdom is only expectation of squalid human.  Begone from this person's immediate presence before incurs extreme wrath."
*Hawke rapidly gets out of the way*
Bethany:  "What on earth was all that about?"
Hawke:  "I think they're going to murder the harbormaster.  We'd better tell someone."
Q2:  (SQ) "Finally.  Maybe now we can find out what happened to that fish they were supposed to deliver."

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PsychoBlonde wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

It'd be pretty cool if you can have a conversation with a Qunari or two who don't speak Common well and they do things like stop to argue in Qunari about what you just said--that and they respond to most of your inane babble with various levels of glare and/or eye-rolling.

This sounds good to me.

*Three Qunari wander into Lowtown*
Bethany: "What are THEY doing down here?  Spies?"
Hawke: "It's possible.  In any case, I don't think they should just be left to wander around."  *Intercepts the Qunari*  "Excuse me, but I'm going to have to ask you to leave."
Q1: (speaking Qunari) "Is that human talking to us?"
Q2: (speaking Qunari)  "What did it say?"
QSquadLeader: (speaking Qunari) "Quiet." (Speaking Common, sort of.)  "Salutations, tiny squalid creature.  Road impediment will not be the securing of funds from these personages."
Hawke:  "What?"
Q2: (Speaking Qunari) "Great, now it's mad.  Give it a shove and let's get out of here."
Q1: (Speaking Qunari) "Ugh, no, it might have something contagious.  Besides, I think it just asked to know how it should address you."
QSquadLeader:  (Speaking Qunari) "Why does it want to know how to address me?"
Q1:  (Speaking Qunari) "I'll bet it wants to sell you something.  Humans are always doing things like that."
QSquadLeader:  (SQ) "I already told it we don't have any money."
Q2: (SQ) "Can we please just GO?!"
QSquadLeader: (SQ) "Quiet."  (SC,so) "Extreme lack of interest in feeble scam should be apparent from anterior dialog.  However, assuming tiny squalid creature is of reasonable mannerism, wisdom would be appreciated."
Hawke: "What?"
QSquadLeader, annoyed: (SC, so) "Can squalid one impart wisdom regarding locus of uppermost harbor operator or not?"
Hawke: "Uppermost harbor op--You want to know where the harbormaster's office is?"
QSquadLeader: (SC, so) "Assuredly.  These personages require altercation for satisfaction of unpleasantness."
Hawke:  "Um . . . I don't know where he is.  I'm new here myself."
QSquadLeader: *scowl* (SC,so) "Extreme failure of wisdom is only expectation of squalid human.  Begone from this person's immediate presence before incurs extreme wrath."
*Hawke rapidly gets out of the way*
Bethany:  "What on earth was all that about?"
Hawke:  "I think they're going to murder the harbormaster.  We'd better tell someone."
Q2:  (SQ) "Finally.  Maybe now we can find out what happened to that fish they were supposed to deliver."

OMG - this is GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!   

[t0mm06]

crimzontearz wrote...
oh this is going to be fun.

For starters if you bothered to read my posts you would have realized that I DO like the new Qunari look, it is the idea of such a retcon and how it was explained that feels like a handwave given the circumstances.

Secondly, Retcons are bad within the measure of importance that continuity has to some people. Remember how people freaked at the lack of full customization for companion while other thought it was not a big deal? Same for this retcon, some people find it jarring and unpleasant, others do not. Also as long as some retcons are well explained the reaction is usually very mild.
Trust does not even factor in the equation because this is not about that.

As for arrogance please remember that we are talking about people who said "we are not going to offer a certain feature because we know it would give you a subpar experience even tho you feel otherwise"...but again this is not the point and I do not hold this against bioware at large -tho it did feel like hubris to me-.

Ok so you like the look then why complain?
yes the Reason for the change (lore wise) is a hand wave, because really it doesnt matter, they only needed a simple explaination that worked, now if you can come up with a btter reason fair enough. Because the REAL reason is more then sufficent... the designers felt it was needed.
and sorry but i cant agree with you on the trust thing, basically people are making prdetermined ideas about the change without full knowlege of the reasons or game, and to me it feels like a bit of a slap in the face to the people who have spent the time and enegry making this game
Fair enought though i neever meant to say anything that offended you as you are one of the people here who argus your point without being a idiot about it, and you try and make fair and justified reaosn behind your argument... i just happen not to agree with most of them

[crimzontearz]

and yet that is the very point of it all.



A retcon is bad, it is a no no if you will and a lot of people apparently hold Bioware to a higher standard than a simple handwave like the one given to the Qunari's new look. The change itself is not the problem (people do understand it was needed....if not that radically), the new look itself is not the problem (as a lot of people like it)...the problem is how this retcon was implemented. We can trust Bioware....but at the same time we can and should hold them to a higher standard