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[SurelyForth]

FitScotGaymer wrote...
*le sigh*

It still isnt proof that she is a companion. Its proof that she is an important NPC.

Thats all.

Again I am not disagreeing I am just pointing out that you cant talk about her like she is an absolute certain companion because YOU DONT ACTUALLY KNOW.

Okay?

EDIT:
I have been told numerous times that the "devs said this" and the "devs said that" in whatever thread; and even been linked to said threads.
And not once did I ever see any Dev say that she (or Anders) were companions at any point - so you will forgive me if I continue thinking that she is a "likely companion" and not a "confirmed definate companion".

What? Did Merrill speculation beat you up for your lunch money? Are you worried that Merrill fans are going to commit mass suicide over their disappointment that Merrill isn't a companion? I really would not be concerned about the latter, since she is *totally* a companion. I believe there are even screens of combat and she's got a combat portrait and everything.

[Jimmy Fury]

hhh89 wrote...

@FitScotGaymer: in a thread about the possibility to switch weapon from Hawke to our companion the dev (Seb if I remember well) made this example: we can switch our sword and shield from Hawke to Aveline, and our staff from a Mage Hawke to Merrill. This isn't a proof, but at least a strong hint.

In fitscot's defense I could switch my staff with Jowan's, my bow with momma cousland's, and my sword with Jory's....  and 2/3 of them died quite quickly.

[The Elder King]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@FitScotGaymer: in a thread about the possibility to switch weapon from Hawke to our companion the dev (Seb if I remember well) made this example: we can switch our sword and shield from Hawke to Aveline, and our staff from a Mage Hawke to Merrill. This isn't a proof, but at least a strong hint.

In fitscot's defense I could switch my staff with Jowan's, my bow with momma cousland's, and my sword with Jory's....  and 2/3 of them died quite quickly.

Infact I said it isn't a confirm, only a hint...at least she's a temporary companion
Howewer, I understan his point on Merrill. On Anders though,the poll only said "other companion", with no reference to Anders, and we quite know there's a six companion. Or, even if we don't know, we don't know the which is the exact number of companion we're going to get, so put in the poll the option other companion it seems reasonable to me.

[_Aine_]

Aveline for me. She looks like she will have an interesting story/character.

[ReallyRue]

I can't wait to meet Aveline. She seems so different to the rest of the female characters that tend to appear, and she looks like she'll be a strong woman without going into the b*tchy territory like games sometmes do.

Other than that, Dalish was my second favourite Origin and I find them very interesting in general, so I'll be glad to see Merrill. She's a combination of my two favourite things - Dalish and mages!

[Addai]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@FitScotGaymer: in a thread about the possibility to switch weapon from Hawke to our companion the dev (Seb if I remember well) made this example: we can switch our sword and shield from Hawke to Aveline, and our staff from a Mage Hawke to Merrill. This isn't a proof, but at least a strong hint.

In fitscot's defense I could switch my staff with Jowan's, my bow with momma cousland's, and my sword with Jory's....  and 2/3 of them died quite quickly.

So what?  People can still be looking forward to meeting her.  It's the OP's poll and he/ she can do what they want with it.

[tondratic]

ReallyRue wrote...

I can't wait to meet Aveline. She seems so different to the rest of the female characters that tend to appear, and she looks like she'll be a strong woman without going into the b*tchy territory like games sometmes do.

This!

What sucks for me, though, is that my first Hawke will be pretty much exactly like her, utility-wise, so Aveline'll have to stay on the back burner until my next playthrough. Which I'm a bit bitter about, since I've been waiting for a strong, no-nonsense female warrior since forever. 

[Spacelion]

Aveline. I'm looking foward to her character, she seems different.

[ScotGaymer]

Just playing devils advocate here guys; and you all totally know I am right. Lol.

EDIT:
I should explain that the reason I brought up this point is because the OP and the Poll are talking about confirmed companions; not speculated companions and or NPCs.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 31 janvier 2011 - 05:22 .

[shatteredstar56]

I'm tied between Aveline (because I happened to name my Mage the same thing without knowing, and because of the story Leliana will tell you about a warrior woman named Aveline) and Isabella/e because she seems to be a Morrigan-like character, and Morrigan was my first favorite character in Dragon Age Origins.

[Saibh]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Just playing devils advocate here guys; and you all totally know I am right. Lol.

EDIT:
I should explain that the reason I brought up this point is because the OP and the Poll are talking about confirmed companions; not speculated companions and or NPCs.

Merrill is a companion. I'm not even going to hedge about it in fear of eating crow. She's a companion.

[Arthur Cousland]

I like the dwarves and so I picked Varric. Not only does he look sexy with that manly chest hair, but I'm interested in meeting the guy who becomes the narrator, plus he seems to have a fun personality.



Aveline is a close second because I also find her interesting. She's a rare figure, being not only a female warrior, but the tank of the group. Usually the ladies play the ranged/support roles, but Aveline is out front, protecting the guys. She also seems to have an interesting story to tell, growing up named after such a legendary figure, having to kill her tainted husband, and etc. Aveline will most likely be my Hawke's first love interest.

[ScotGaymer]

Saibh wrote...


Merrill is a companion. I'm not even going to hedge about it in fear of eating crow. She's a companion.

As I said that wasnt and isnt my point.

She hasnt been confirmed thus is not relevant to the original point to this thread and the poll. Thus she ought not to be included.

I agree it is most likely she will be a companion. I have mixed feelings about that - I liked her as a character in the origin segment of DA but dont really know if DA2 would have a valid reason for her to accompany Hawke in spite of him not being a GW and in spite of the Dalish Xenophobia.

My point that you cant conclusively make a statement like that solely based on speculation and hints (Not proof!) stands.
You can not speak like you are an authority on it; or that you "know" for absolute certain because you absolutely dont.

Again, my original point stands.

[Saibh]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Saibh wrote...


Merrill is a companion. I'm not even going to hedge about it in fear of eating crow. She's a companion.

As I said that wasnt and isnt my point.

She hasnt been confirmed thus is not relevant to the original point to this thread and the poll. Thus she ought not to be included.

I agree it is most likely she will be a companion. I have mixed feelings about that - I liked her as a character in the origin segment of DA but dont really know if DA2 would have a valid reason for her to accompany Hawke in spite of him not being a GW and in spite of the Dalish Xenophobia.

My point that you cant conclusively make a statement like that solely based on speculation and hints (Not proof!) stands.
You can not speak like you are an authority on it; or that you "know" for absolute certain because you absolutely dont.

Again, my original point stands.

Sure I do. I "know", in the same way I "know" the sun will set tonight, at some point where I am. 

I mean, sure, it could blow up or be sucked into a black hole or something. But the sheer unliklihood of that happening is so, so tiny that saying I "know" simply makes more sense. Technically no one "knows" anything. But there's a point where something is clear and obvious, and the word is used.

[ScotGaymer]

You're being ridiculous now Saibh.

You dont know she is a companion. Something being likely to happen isnt the same as something "will" or "will not" happen. And you know that.

As I said. I agree it is very likely she will be a companion; but given the context of the OP, a lot of what is being said about her in the thread (and her being includedin the poll) isnt applicable to her because you do not know for sure that she will be a permament companion who will accompany Hawke.

For all we know she might only be a temporary companion who goes with Hawke for one quest to benefit the Dalish; and otherwise simply be an Important NPC.
Again only playing devils advocate here.

EDIT:
Personally I would absolutely pee myself laughing if it DID turn out she wasnt a permament companion. The NerdRage would be hilarious.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 31 janvier 2011 - 07:17 .

[Shepard Lives]

I just don't understand those who throw hissy fits at people who assume things. And by "things" I mean stuff like "Merrill is a companion" (she totally is, BTW) rather than "DAII will suck".

Let them assume in peace. If they're wrong, you get to tell them "told you so". If they're right, good for them. Live and let live.

[XX55XX]

Fit, you've made your point across many threads. Thank you for your insight. Back on topic, please, everyone.

I included Merrill because there are too many strong hints. If it were someone like Anders, then I would be more hesitant, but with Merrill, I doubt the developers would get our hopes up about nothing. She has to be a companion, even if she hasn't been officially confirmed yet.

[ScotGaymer]

My point was only that you cant talk in absolutes when you dont know what it is you are actually talking about Shepard Lives.

Was merely making an observation that Merill ought not to be included in the poll given the context and premise of it and of this thread.

EDIT:
@XX5XX
She doesnt have to be anything lol.

Developers have thrown red herrings at us like this before - Bioware are famous for it.

And I havent made this point across many threads - ive only made it in this one because its the relevant point; the other thread to which you refer this point was secondary to another point I was making which obviously you and others chose to ignore.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 31 janvier 2011 - 07:22 .

[XX55XX]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

My point was only that you cant talk in absolutes when you dont know what it is you are actually talking about Shepard Lives.

Was merely making an observation that Merill ought not to be included in the poll given the context and premise of it and of this thread.

And yet you continue to push this numerous times, as if you are trying agitate others. Please, mention it once, but leave it at that. You are right, but no need to throw a hissy fit over something so small.

Or, better yet, start your own thread iterating your position on the matter and take the discussion there.

[ScotGaymer]

XX55XX wrote...


And yet you continue to push this numerous times, as if you are trying agitate others. Please, mention it once, but leave it at that. You are right, but no need to throw a hissy fit over something so small.

Or, better yet, start your own thread iterating your position on the matter and take the discussion there.

I am not pushing it nor am I throwing a hissy fit.

People are free to believe what they wish of course. I apologise if it seemed like I was trying to force my opinion on anyone. Like I said I am actually in agreement with you all that Merill is likely a companion.

However you seem to be of the belief that I cant defend myself when people attack my view point; or try to clarify my position so others understand where I am coming from better.
I know that sometimes I am not very clear when I say stuff.

Also I apologise for the way this has all gotten off topic.

EDIT:
To get the thread back on topic a bit presuming that Merill is a companion I do hope there is a way to not pick them up like you could avoid certain characters in DAO.
Unless there is a very very good reason to take her along with "me" I just dont see it as justifiable for "Hawke" to take her with him/her.

I mean the Dalish are very insular and a bit xenophobic tbh; they were very focussed on family and clan. It took one of them being in a life threatening situation in DAO to ler him/her leave and that was to save his/her life (and) to allow him/her to become a Grey Warden.
The Grey Wardens are the only outside group that the Dalish respect enough to allow to take one of their own (honouring the treaties/right of conscription) in normal circumstances. Having her as Hawke's companion would take exceptional circumstances - something more than a lame morriganesque "you need more worldly experience go with Hawke" push from the Keeper.

As I said earlier too I am very interested in the sibling dynamic with Bethany, and with Carver especially. I also am intrigued by Aveline; I would love to see how they will tackle a strong female character who isnt all TnA like in ME2.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 31 janvier 2011 - 07:35 .

[Gileadan]

Aveline! A tough girl that isn't fan-service-sexy... that's pretty rare and therefore interesting. And that she can apparently out-badass the "living weapon" Fenris simply by rising from a chair.

[XX55XX]

To get the thread back on topic a bit presuming that Merill is a companion I do hope there is a way to not pick them up like you could avoid certain characters in DAO.
Unless there is a very very good reason to take her along with "me" I just dont see it as justifiable for "Hawke" to take her with him/her.

I mean the Dalish are very insular and a bit xenophobic tbh; they were very focussed on family and clan. It took one of them being in a life threatening situation in DAO to ler him/her leave and that was to save his/her life (and) to allow him/her to become a Grey Warden.
The Grey Wardens are the only outside group that the Dalish respect enough to allow to take one of their own (honouring the treaties/right of conscription) in normal circumstances. Having her as Hawke's companion would take exceptional circumstances - something more than a lame morriganesque "you need more worldly experience go with Hawke" push from the Keeper.

As I said earlier too I am very interested in the sibling dynamic with Bethany, and with Carver especially. I also am intrigued by Aveline; I would love to see how they will tackle a strong female character who isnt all TnA like in ME2.

So that is why you are so forceful on this topic. It does not conform to your ideas about the Dalish. Your reasoning is just as flawed as those who espouse that Merrill will be a companion in DA2 - all built upon "reasoning" and "speculation" on your part.

[Addai]

FitScotGaymer wrote...
Unless there is a very very good reason to take her along with "me" I just dont see it as justifiable for "Hawke" to take her with him/her.

I mean the Dalish are very insular and a bit xenophobic tbh; they were very focussed on family and clan. It took one of them being in a life threatening situation in DAO to ler him/her leave and that was to save his/her life (and) to allow him/her to become a Grey Warden.
The Grey Wardens are the only outside group that the Dalish respect enough to allow to take one of their own (honouring the treaties/right of conscription) in normal circumstances. Having her as Hawke's companion would take exceptional circumstances - something more than a lame morriganesque "you need more worldly experience go with Hawke" push from the Keeper.

Nothing I've heard about Merrill suggests that Marethari is sending her along with Hawke so she can "gain some worldly experience"!!?!  Flemeth gives Hawke a relic to deliver to the Dalish.  This means that the Dalish are somehow integral to the plot.  The term "Dalish pariah" attributed to Merrill also suggests that she's on the outs with her clan.  The Dalish are insular and xenophobic, but they also stress that each one must sacrifice for the good of the clan.  If Merrill has some duty that would help the Dalish, then that is reason enough for her to leave with Hawke.

But I guess you'll just have to see, eh?  Like the rest of us.

Modifié par Addai67, 31 janvier 2011 - 08:35 .