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[GodWood]

In defence of Japan they don't actually only play JRPGs.

In 2009 Resident Evil 5 was the 3rd highest selling game in Japan.

[Unkei]

Mesina2 wrote...
Bioware needs to make Hanar LI in ME3 if they want to sell well in Japan.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

LMAO

SudsyPatriarch wrote...

If they wanted it to sell massively in Japan, Miranda would wear what Jack is wearing, with 40 times bigger breasts. and Jack would be wearing nothing. All the male characters would be sad over a lost love. Though, Zaeed would be manly.. on the outside, while on the inside he´s just waiting for the perfect woman to come into his life.

Here is perfect male character example

Modifié par Unkei, 31 janvier 2011 - 03:28 .

[Count Viceroy]

Unkei wrote...

Here is perfect male character example

I think a redefenition of male is required.

[Elite Midget]

Apples to Oranges.



What sells big here most likely wont sell big there or vice versa.



Here are examples:



Dynasty Warriors 7 - Japan is raving over it. American reviewers are already planning to rate it a 0/10 without ever playing it.



Call of Duty - Americans want every game of the series and plan to buy every release at full price. They don't care that the multiplayer is pretty much the exact same as the last entry and the Singleplayer is non-exisitant. These fans blast games like Dynasty Warriors 7 despite the fact that the Dynasty Warriors entries add more new content compared to the Call of Duty games.



Final Fantasy - Much bigger in Japan. Though they have grown to despise the series because of Square's failed attempts to grab and even larger Western Crowd. The truth of the matter is that they will never be abnle to appease both crowds justly in this manner.



Tidbits:



Western - Shooters are all the craze. Realism looks, high graphics, and lots of gore/blood.

Eastern - Giant Robots are all the craze. Fantasy setting and they desire to have games as an escape and not to be too realistic or western.

[cachx]

Loving the thinly veiled racism hate here.

Not surprising. Nobody is going to worry about marketing over there either, it's just an uphill battle. It's a shame, really. J-RPG devs really need a few hints to revitalize the genre.

But hey, a japanese porn actress likes Mass Effect, country redeemed in my eyes . (link is safe for work).

[kyles3]

Not racism. Just everybody going for easy, obvious jokes all at the same time. 

Modifié par kyles3, 31 janvier 2011 - 04:01 .

[Elite Midget]

Not racism just huge national pride. Many Japanese Gamers only buy products that are made in Japan or by a Japanese Developer. They hold a much stronger nation loyalty than many modern superpowers of this day and age.

Ever read about the hoops that Microsoft had to go through to release the XBox in Japan and to poor sales? Hell, they're still selling poorly in Japan. The Japanese crowd is either in the Handheld scene or only the PS3/Wii scene.

Such as the PS3 sales of FF13 compared to the 360 ones in Japan.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 31 janvier 2011 - 04:13 .

[Merchant2006]

I don't mean to be rude but... well... after playing Crono Trigger, FF, Pokemon & god knows how many other RPG's, I just doubt they'd like games such as Borderlands, Mass Effect and even Fallout. Something about the Western RPG's that just doesn't appeal to them (majority of them). I'm not asking for someone to pull out the race card when I say this but I just don't think they like the same games we do (to the same extent here in EU/AU/US/etc).

You might ask "Why do the Japanese just lap up on such titles", well... why do Western Gamers love Call of Doodie when the Multiplayer changes ever so slightly throughout each 'new' title. You can't blame them for buying such titles because over here in the West people just chow down on the latest Halo, Doodie & over-the-top-steroid-abusing-generic-action-dude-game, and it's true! Oh well.

Mesina2 wrote...
Bioware needs to make Hanar LI in ME3 if they want to sell well in Japan.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

... pffffhahahahahahahahaha

Modifié par Merchant2006, 31 janvier 2011 - 04:18 .

[habitat 67]

This has nothing to do with race.

The game was not released in Japan until a few weeks ago!

[Elite Midget]

It has more in common with just a majority of Japanese gamers being under a different gaming demograph that ME2 just doesn't fall under.

[VonStrangle]

There isn't enough hair gel on this planet to please the japanese when it comes to Western RPGS, or Western games in general.

They like their games recycled over and over and over, with lots of Goku-eque characters and young boys setting out from small villages to save the world just all of a sudden.

Le sigh...

[Elite Midget]

Oh, the irony that you waould say such a demeaning thing about the Japanese gamers...



Oh look, another million+ selling Call of Duty!

[Kappa Neko]

Another big difference when it comes to gaming is that the Japanese prefer portable game systems because they spend less time at home. This is why developers keep throwing DS and PSP titles on the market. Look at Kingdom Hearts: no PS3 game yet but lots of spin-offs for DS/PSP. The Final Fantasy series was remastered for the portable systems. And it sells!



Something I haven't researched but that might play into the difference: how old is the average video game player? I've read somewhere that adults in their twenties are the largest player group today. Video games are no longer a childhood phenomenon. This might be impacting on the growing number of mature games. I don't know about Japan, to be honest, but I seriously doubt that all that many people in their twenties or older still play video games. Or rather, they don't play at home. They don't have the time. Hence the DS/PSP boom.



Aren't all video games an escape from reality?? To me it doesn't matter whether you play a gaudy fantasy game or Medal of Honor. Games always function as metaphors for real life problems. Characters looking like real human beings now does not mean the game depicts reality. Western games work with alternative realities and future realities, yes. Ironically ME is much more captivating than any JRPG I've played lately, thus drawing me into this fantasy future a lot better. Allowing me a better escape from reality ;D



You guys make the Japanese sound like freaks, you know that? It's not like all Japanese who play video games are into women with huge breasts looking like 12 year olds. The average adult Japanese probably doesn't much care for video games anyway.

And please, as if Miranda and Samara are not ridiculous looking characters! Half-naked Japanese characters? Morrigan, anyone?! It's just a different kind of sex appeal. I, as a woman, find 99% of all female characters from any video game ridiculous! (Male characters, too, for that matter.)

[cachx]

kyles3 wrote...
Not racism. Just everybody going for easy, obvious jokes all at the same time. 

That's what I meant, sorry for my poor choice in expression, I did not mean to drag the conversation THAT way.

I still think that "spiky hair, underage girl" jokes are bad though .

[CroGamer002]

Elite Midget wrote...

Apples to Oranges.

What sells big here most likely wont sell big there or vice versa.

Here are examples:

Dynasty Warriors 7 - Japan is raving over it. American reviewers are already planning to rate it a 0/10 without ever playing it.

Call of Duty - Americans want every game of the series and plan to buy every release at full price. They don't care that the multiplayer is pretty much the exact same as the last entry and the Singleplayer is non-exisitant. These fans blast games like Dynasty Warriors 7 despite the fact that the Dynasty Warriors entries add more new content compared to the Call of Duty games.

Final Fantasy - Much bigger in Japan. Though they have grown to despise the series because of Square's failed attempts to grab and even larger Western Crowd. The truth of the matter is that they will never be abnle to appease both crowds justly in this manner.

Tidbits:

Western - Shooters are all the craze. Realism looks, high graphics, and lots of gore/blood.
Eastern - Giant Robots are all the craze. Fantasy setting and they desire to have games as an escape and not to be too realistic or western.

While Europe stays in hybrid.:innocent:

[Elite Midget]

Indeed... I've found myself quite angry that Europe ended up getting some Japanese titles yet America was left out. >_>

[CroGamer002]

habitat 67 wrote...

This has nothing to do with race.
The game was not released in Japan until a few weeks ago!

Mass Effect 2 was released in Japan long time ago on XBox 360 and PC.
XBox sales are very poor there and PC games sales aren't tracked anywhere.

Modifié par Mesina2, 31 janvier 2011 - 04:49 .

[Dasher1010]

I'm surprised to see posts from Japanese gamers. Please, for the love of God, get the word out to your friends.



And yes, I do think that a more mature title like Mass Effect would have more limited appeal since it's okay to be a nerd in America but in Japan, once you reach adulthood, you really need to leave those things behind since there's a huge stigma about being an otaku or worse, a hikikomori. Still, I would think that the level-up system and dating sim elements would allow the title to be a huge hit in Japan. Guess I was wrong.



Still, western gamers haven't picked up Blazblue: Continuum Shift which is an absolutely fantastic fighting game that has an excellent online mode. The Japanese still play Dynasy Warriors which is the same game every single time while also being far too long to hold me attention given that the gameplay is so shallow while brawlers have really moved beyond Dynasty Warriors in terms of gameplay. It's been years since Devil May Cry, God of War and Jade Empire and yet Dynasty Warriors still plays like it came out in 1998. Then you have the American market loving Call of Duty which is has been exactly the same since the first Modern Warfare, having jumped the shark back when World at War came out in 2008. Plus Call of Duty is a very noob-friendly game that lacks the depth of Halo: Reach or Unreal Tournament 3 and heavily favors camping while also giving the player automatic weapons that kill in one hit.

[Haristo]

Are we supposed to care of Japs tastes ?!? they don't even care of home consoles... They prefer portables systems.

[nutshell43]

Elite Midget wrote...

Not racism just huge national pride. Many Japanese Gamers only buy products that are made in Japan or by a Japanese Developer. They hold a much stronger nation loyalty than many modern superpowers of this day and age.

Ever read about the hoops that Microsoft had to go through to release the XBox in Japan and to poor sales? Hell, they're still selling poorly in Japan. The Japanese crowd is either in the Handheld scene or only the PS3/Wii scene.

Such as the PS3 sales of FF13 compared to the 360 ones in Japan.

Blahblahblah. Somehow Microsoft's other products manage to do just fine in Japan. There was a wonderful article (that I can't find) on how Microsoft buried the local Office competitors. Unfortunately no one at the Xbox division seems to have read it.

It comes down to this: If you don't like shooters (and most Japanese don't) the 360 isn't really the best choice for you. Add that online multiplayer isn't as big over there and that most of the other value added stuff of Xbox Live is US-only and it's no wonder the 360's not big in Japan.

[Haristo]

nutshell43 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Not racism just huge national pride. Many Japanese Gamers only buy products that are made in Japan or by a Japanese Developer. They hold a much stronger nation loyalty than many modern superpowers of this day and age.

Ever read about the hoops that Microsoft had to go through to release the XBox in Japan and to poor sales? Hell, they're still selling poorly in Japan. The Japanese crowd is either in the Handheld scene or only the PS3/Wii scene.

Such as the PS3 sales of FF13 compared to the 360 ones in Japan.

Blahblahblah. Somehow Microsoft's other products manage to do just fine in Japan. There was a wonderful article (that I can't find) on how Microsoft buried the local Office competitors. Unfortunately no one at the Xbox division seems to have read it.

It comes down to this: If you don't like shooters (and most Japanese don't) the 360 isn't really the best choice for you. Add that online multiplayer isn't as big over there and that most of the other value added stuff of Xbox Live is US-only and it's no wonder the 360's not big in Japan.

you also forgot the tall of their controller and how small the Japs hands usually are... on that point I can understand them turning on the DualShock 3, exact sames reasons why I hate Sony's pads.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Haw, racism. Like not every country in the world thinks their country is superior and makes fun of other countries. Blacks make fun of whites, whites make fun of hispanics (because they're too afraid to make fun of blacks anymore) and everybody makes fun of rednecks. You're sooner to breed tribalism out of the human race as you are greed.

[CroGamer002]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Haw, racism. Like not every country in the world thinks their country is superior and makes fun of other countries. Blacks make fun of whites, whites make fun of hispanics (because they're too afraid to make fun of blacks anymore) and everybody makes fun of rednecks. You're sooner to breed tribalism out of the human race as you are greed.

You have no idea how many jokes we have against specific Balkan( +Slovenia) countries here in Balkans.:innocent:



P.S.
Slovenia jokes are still gold.

P.P.S.
No offense to Slovenians, laugh it up.

[Haristo]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Haw, racism. Like not every country in the world thinks their country is superior and makes fun of other countries. Blacks make fun of whites, whites make fun of hispanics (because they're too afraid to make fun of blacks anymore) and everybody makes fun of rednecks. You're sooner to breed tribalism out of the human race as you are greed.

And of course Arabians/Persians are not the problems. The rest of the world is.

Japs are really protectionnists with some exceptions, on that point we all agree... and to see how Microsoft actually work with their Xbox, they won't find any ****** players. Just the kinect requesting 8 Square Feets is too much : this is not even my Bedroom at my CEGEP, in Canada, 2nd biggest country of the world ! Imagine japaneses on their miniature archipelago...

[jswatta]

Asians don't like story in RPG's. They just want to grind, kill 28392 mobs for 239819283 exp so they can hit level 3.  That's all they care about in RPG's.  Oh and they NEED talking kittens wielding swords times bigger.

In their defense, they're good at grinding and playing starcraft 2!