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[vanslyke85]

lawp79 wrote...

Nup she is earth worm Jim.

miss that game so much!  they need to come out with a sick new one for xbox and ps3.  off topic sorry lol. 

[Count Viceroy]

Seriously? It'd take generations of exposure, to err shepard.



Creepy.

[Moiaussi]

BobSmith101 wrote...

 If you wanted to "cure" all Quarians it requires a radical enviroment shift for 17 million people.

That would keep Shepard rather busy! Hopefully he could find an alternative method? 

Modifié par Moiaussi, 31 janvier 2011 - 01:00 .

[vanslyke85]

turn his spunk into gas form and unleash it inside the 3 Live ships in the Quarian Flotilla haha. probably kill them all actually.

[Cutlass Jack]

BobSmith101 wrote...

She's not living on the flotila.This is more the key point. If you wanted to "cure" all Quarians it requires a radical enviroment shift for 17 million people.

...Or Mordin being very bored one afternoon.

[JRCHOharry]

vanslyke85 wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

vanslyke85 wrote...

Tali's gonna be so hot! I feel she'll look like a hot middle eastern chick or something. Maybe even a bit like kasumi but not so japanese.

She's an alien...

She is???  Well this changes everything!  she's not gonna have tentacles coming out her cheeks and big golf ball sized eyes dude.  she's going to have very human characteristics.  so many people have loved Tali since ME1 and romanced her in ME2, they aren't going to uglify her.  100% she looks more human than alien when she's finally unmasked.

No, Bioware aren't going to uglifier her. That still doesn't mean they're going to make her look like a hot middle eastern chick or something.
Man this thread is weird...

[Collider]

I don't think it's a matter of curing all of the quarians. Moreover, I find something like that exceedingly unlikely. It's more feasible that the quarians regain their homeworld/another planet (in some outcomes, depending on what Shepard does) and slowly reaccustom themselves to the environment. Whatever happens, they would still, at best, have quite the obstacles to reintegrating into galactic society.

[vanslyke85]

Wow your taking things pretty literally eh. Sorry sorry, she'll have an ethnic appeal to her. better?? doucher.

[vanslyke85]

I am curious though because I've heard Tali say that even they were to go back to their homeworld they would still have to get used to the environment there again just like anywhere else...which is also her main reason for not wanting to settle a new homeworld...strange

[AkiKishi]

JRCHOharry wrote...

vanslyke85 wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

vanslyke85 wrote...

Tali's gonna be so hot! I feel she'll look like a hot middle eastern chick or something. Maybe even a bit like kasumi but not so japanese.

She's an alien...

She is???  Well this changes everything!  she's not gonna have tentacles coming out her cheeks and big golf ball sized eyes dude.  she's going to have very human characteristics.  so many people have loved Tali since ME1 and romanced her in ME2, they aren't going to uglify her.  100% she looks more human than alien when she's finally unmasked.

No, Bioware aren't going to uglifier her. That still doesn't mean they're going to make her look like a hot middle eastern chick or something.
Man this thread is weird...

She's obviously an alien but she can still have characteristics of known earth races. After all as humans we are looking at her from a human perspective.

Just like when I say I expect her to resemble a Night Elf. She clearly has nothing to do with WoW but could still have characteristics that resemble nightelves.

PS Can anyone see a third toe on that concept art? 

PPS Weird or not it does give a "rational" explanation of how Tali could get out of her suit for ME3.

[Interactive Civilian]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Well if you listen to the details given in ME2 its more of an allergic reaction than anything else. Having undergone treatment for allergies myself, repeated exposure is exactly the way its done.

Again, if it were this simple, the Quarians would have figured it out long ago. It seems something more than what we think of as an allergic reaction (which, for those who don't know the specifics, is basically an over-zealous immune response to what should be a harmless stimulus).

If I had to speculate somewhat blindly on the nature of the Quarian immune problems, I would guess something like this: Foreign matter causes an immune response of some kind, as in what we think of as normal immune systems. However, the Quarian immune system never evolved to mediate or shut-down the immune response due to the more mutualistic symbiosis Quarians had with other organisms on their home world. Perhaps there is a bacterial or viral symbiont which is responsible for mediating the immune response.

In a normal, home-world living Quarian, when foreign matter such as a pathogen enters the body, it of course causes the Quarian's own immune response. However, the immune response also stimulates the reproduction of the symbiont in the body, perhaps after a certain lag time (which may vary in time with aquired immunities, like a primary and secondary response in our own immune systems). The symbiont then causes a negative feedback on the immune response. If the pathogen is still present, then there is some semblance of balance between the positive stimulus of the pathogen and the negative stimulus of the symbiont until it is destroyed by the immune response. As pathogen levels drop, the negative feedback from the symbiont slows and stops the immune response. As the immune response stops, the symbiont is now over-populated, and numbers drop (perhaps for lack of nutrients; maybe they get nutrients from destroyed pathogens) to equilibrium levels.

So, what happened?

When they were forced from the home-world, they left the natural environment of the symbiont. Perhaps that, plus maintaining clean-room conditions on the ships, plus perhaps an over-use of antibiotics or anti-virals which actually turned out to kill the symbiont bacteria or virus as well. Or perhaps there is some nutrient common to the home-world that the symbiont needs, but that the Quarians didn't realize was necessary or never identified, and so the symbiont died out in that way.

So, in this line of speculation, it isn't that the Quarian immune systems have evolved (something which bothered me as it never made sense; 300 years of roughly human generation times is not enough to effect that kind of evolutionary change without strong selection pressure, and there isn't a strong selection pressure that would favor quick evolution of a weakened immune system that I can think of), but rather that a key, non-genetic, but rather symbiotic component of their immune systems has gone extinct in their population.

This speculation fits with the Codex explanation of the weak Quarian immune system, and it makes a lot more sense than their immune systems evolving that way. And, if this is the case, then it is not the matter of a simple allergic response which can be reduced by acclimation.

However, it is important to note that this is speculation and I am not claiming this as fact. It's just that a lot of things about the Quarian immune problems didn't add up for me, and this is what I did to tie it all together.



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Of course, if this line of speculation were to turn out to be the case, it could cause some interesting developments regarding war or peace with the Geth by the Quarians. On the one hand, they could argue for war and retaking the home-world by force as it is necessary for their immune systems (which isn't so different from the arguments already in place). On the other hand, perhaps there would be the opportunity for peace, or at least an opening to peace by negotiating with the Geth to launch a cooperative scientific expedition to the homeworld in order to get samples of the symbiont in order to culture it and re-immunize the Quarians on the fleet. Stronger immune systems would mean better chances of colonizing other planets, so onus for war is not so strong. Also, idealistically, a peaceful cooperative venture could be the opening move in diplomacy and eventual negotiations for the peaceful return of the Quarians to their home-world. But, again, this is all head in the clouds speculation. And a big digression...

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 31 janvier 2011 - 02:10 .

[Slayer299]

BobSmith101 wrote...
In much the same was as a mothers milk kick starts a babies immume system, or doses of non lethal diseases (like cow pox) can be used to prevent smallpox. Would a regular injection of "Shepard" have the same effect on Tali?

*Rolls over laughing hystertically before finally stopping!*

"A regular injection of Shepard??" *fights to stop laughing* Seriously, you need to work on your wording there since I don't thing that was what you meant.

[Slayer299]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Very good explanation for that, thanks, I'll reference that in the future

[AkiKishi]

Slayer299 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
In much the same was as a mothers milk kick starts a babies immume system, or doses of non lethal diseases (like cow pox) can be used to prevent smallpox. Would a regular injection of "Shepard" have the same effect on Tali?

*Rolls over laughing hystertically before finally stopping!*

"A regular injection of Shepard??" *fights to stop laughing* Seriously, you need to work on your wording there since I don't thing that was what you meant.

100% intentional immunisation is normally delivered via a needle

I wasn't sure of the age here so I figured anyone who got the reference would be "old enough".

[Slayer299]

BobSmith101 wrote...
100% intentional immunisation is normally delivered via a needle

I wasn't sure of the age here so I figured anyone who got the reference would be "old enough".

I know and I didn't mean to be rude, if I was. It just had me laughing hysterically at the quick mental image of that phrase. I do understand how people do get immunizations though.

[Alienmorph]

Avoiding to comment of the odd choices of words... the aswer probably is yes, she will adapt to Shepard with time. First of all, she can't get sick because of human bacterias and viruses... it's just an allergic reaction as herself says. So, as most of the allergies, probably it will pass with regular exposures to the cause of the reaction. It was the same when I bought my first dog... I was allergic to animal fur before that, then I lived a pair of weeks with my dog around home and it's passed. But as already said, this will work for Shepard and only for him... there are too many contaminants (and even another dextro-proteins based alien that CAN pass her viruses and so) on the Normandy to let her to move around suitless. In fact, it's even possible that Tali's sickness after her first time with Shepard was more fault of the air contaminants than of the... err... fluids exchange... she had with the Commander.

[ZachForrest]

She'll become sensitised and die. Sorry tali-fans

[NeroSparda]

ZachForrest wrote...

She'll become sensitised and die. Sorry tali-fans

Well that sucks... That means I can't get her drunk.

[ZachForrest]

NeroSparda wrote...

ZachForrest wrote...

She'll become sensitised and die. Sorry tali-fans

Well that sucks... That means I can't get her drunk.

I may not be a medical professional...

So give it a whirl anyway

[Scimal]

Hrmmm... Interactive Civilian got me to thinking about an immune system that's co-opted by symbiotic viruses to fend off infections by invading viruses. Kudos, and...



Yeah, she probably would, with time. No idea to tell how much time, though, since there's a constant barrage of mutated pathogens available every time they step off the Normandy.

[jayred vas normandy]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Please, I can't take this thread seriously when half the posters are claiming to be (or acting like) medical experts. Cause I'm sure none of us here have a doctorate in cross-species zeno-biology or something like that.

this forum has doctors, biologist, astronomers, NASA scientist, Military and space warfare tacticans, ect.

[james1976]

Collider wrote...

Interactive Civilian wrote...

I imagine not. If limited and controlled exposure to possible pathogens were enough for the Quarians to get control of their immune responses, I'm sure they would have figured that out at some point in the last 300 years.

I think it's important to note that it's more likely that she would be used to Shepard only. Not being able to live outside of her suit simply because of getting used to Shepard's human germs.

I agree.  She is more likely (and I personally am in favor) of her getting used to being with Shepard without her suit.  Showing her face is such a personal thing for her that I doubt she would even bother to get used to being on the Normandy (outside of Shepard's cabin) without her suit.

[james1976]

jayred vas normandy wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Please, I can't take this thread seriously when half the posters are claiming to be (or acting like) medical experts. Cause I'm sure none of us here have a doctorate in cross-species zeno-biology or something like that.

this forum has doctors, biologist, astronomers, NASA scientist, Military and space warfare tacticans, ect.

We all love some roleplay!

[James2912]

I hope you Talimancers had protection on otherwise Tali is dead in ME3.

Modifié par James2912, 31 janvier 2011 - 08:07 .