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[GuardianAngel470]

Alright, before I get into this I wanna say that I too was caught off guard and slightly disappointed with the Human Reaper. That said, it isn't for the same reason as most of you it seems, hence the thread.

What I found disappointing about the final boss is that it basically boiled down to a 1990's boss battle. Hit the special weak point (Which was actually called that) to hurt it. Do it enough while it moves around at attacks you until it dies. To me, that was disappointing. From a gameplay perspective, there were better ways to do that.

For instance, fight through collectors to circle the embryo and shoot/break connecting tissue until it dies, ala Overlord where you have to destroy the comm dish. Make the boss inert and unintelligent.

However, many of you seem to focus on its appearance alone, which I find strange. Who cares what it looks similar to, the appearance of the thing is almost a nonissue. Its meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

I want to know if secretly you all dislike it for the same reason I did or whether you all really hate it because it looks like a skeletal robot.

[Babli]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
I want to know if secretly you all dislike it for the same reason I did or whether you all really hate it because it looks like a skeletal robot.

Both.

[Sajuro]

I don't hate it at all. If you are boiling it down to that, then Saren was worse since you have to shoot the fast thing until it dies. I would have liked to go toe to claw with the Collector General, maybe punch him in the throat.

[GodWood]

It's powered by human 'essence'.

That's the main reason why I hate it.

[AkiKishi]

I thought maybe I'd put in Terminator by mistake..

[Cutlass Jack]

I hated it purely from a concept perspective. When you got to the end of ME1, everything you saw all game gelled together in this massively well done punchline. You almost wanted to kick yourself for not seeing all the details they laid out from the very beginning.

When you get to the ME2 boss you have more of a WTF??? moment. It felt completely pulled out of its hindquarters and just silly. But it's somewhat forgivable since the act of getting to that boss was very well done.

From an overall combined gameplay/concept perspective, I found the Shadow Broker to be a much better endboss.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 31 janvier 2011 - 11:56 .

[HdS84]

It was just ...silly.

When I first met the human reaper I laughed for minutes - it was not evil, gruesome or dangerous, it was just laughable.

All the big moves, the abduction of humans for...a plain organic ship? I would have accepted that crap in a fantasy game but NOT in a sci fi game...

[bjdbwea]

I don't care about the combat, because that's not what I play these games for. The main reason why I don't like the final boss, is because it's ridiculous. The whole idea makes no sense, there's no proper context and no proper explanation. Frankly, I don't understand how this could ever be approved and released. And I do not believe for a second that this is what the writers of ME 1 had in mind for the continuation of the trilogy.

[AkiKishi]

HdS84 wrote...

It was just ...silly.
When I first met the human reaper I laughed for minutes - it was not evil, gruesome or dangerous, it was just laughable.
All the big moves, the abduction of humans for...a plain organic ship? I would have accepted that crap in a fantasy game but NOT in a sci fi game...

Silliness aside.

A possibility is that the reapers are basically civilizations. The reason they wanted Shepard so badly was to become the conscious of the human reaper, much like Sovereign in ME1 him being top human and all

Why there is a need for this, well who knows? But Harbinger hinted at something beyond the reapers. It's therefore quite possible that the reapers are like arks of lost civilisations and are there to protect against some even bigger threat.

[GuardianAngel470]

GodWood wrote...

It's powered by human 'essence'.
That's the main reason why I hate it.

Not technically powered by it. From what I gathered it was more like incorporated with human essence.

Also, @ Everybody else (Especially the romancable Cutlass Jack), I felt like the human reaper idea was an excellent conclusion to the wondering. I mean, what singular force could stop Shepard in his efforts to protect the Galaxy? A Reaper in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's the single greatest threat Shepard faces after all.

But apparently for most people the appearance of the Reaper baby was too much to handle. Would you have been more accepting of the plot point if it looked like a huskified larvea?

[Cutlass Jack]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

(Especially the romancable Cutlass Jack)

Dear gawd someone remembered that...

Anyway a change in appearance would have helped. If it was like fighting a half built Sovereign in Melee I think it would have gotten less flak. But I was hoping for a far more interesting revelation concerning the human abductions.

The actual mechanics of the fight weren't that big a deal for me. Was less annoying than fighting Bouncing Saren Skeleton. Which is saying alot since as a Vanguard, most of my main tricks (Charge/shotguns/melee) were less than useful.

[vanslyke85]

I agree with the fact that it's a lot like a 90's boss battle but I didn't mind it so much since the whole fight through the collector base and the whole suicide mission itself can be seen as the final boss since the human reaper thing is pretty much a joke. I can take him down in under 2 minutes. Would have liked it to be more challenging but like someone said I don't play these kinds of games for the combat, I play COD for that.

[Big I]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
I want to know if secretly you all dislike it for the same reason I did or whether you all really hate it because it looks like a skeletal robot.

Because it looked like a skeletal robot. I have trouble understanding why, even if the Reapers wanted to make a giant intelligent machine out of dead humans, they would make such a machine in the form of a three-eyed giant metal skeleton.

[GodWood]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's powered by human 'essence'.
That's the main reason why I hate it.

Not technically powered by it. From what I gathered it was more like incorporated with human essence.

Powered by, incorporated with, either way the whole smooshing humans into a orange smoothie in order to extract their 'essence' is ridiculous and seems to be for nothing more than shock value.

[vanslyke85]

there has to be more to it than just turning us into mush to power the reaper. it may go back to what soverign said in ME1.

[Sajuro]

GodWood wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's powered by human 'essence'.
That's the main reason why I hate it.

Not technically powered by it. From what I gathered it was more like incorporated with human essence.

Powered by, incorporated with, either way the whole smooshing humans into a orange smoothie in order to extract their 'essence' is ridiculous and seems to be for nothing more than shock value.

A part of me wants to believe that EDI is wrong about that.

[Enoch VG]

"Hilariously campy" is great if you go for it from square one. But the end boss was hilariously campy in a way that didn't fit with the tone of the overall series. The ME games, in general, are written more like a particularly good "B movie" (and I mean that in the nicest way possible). Incorporating camp into that kind of piece just doesn't work.



(Also, the gameplay concerns expressed above.)

[Count Viceroy]

I was waiting for it to start screaming at me with an austrian accent as it fell into the deep. I'll BE BAAAAAAAACK...

[TheGreyGhost119]

I liked it. Reminded me of a boss in Contra III. I think people are way too critical of the damn thing, quite honestly.



Then again, people are critical about ME2 as a whole.

[AkiKishi]

vanslyke85 wrote...

there has to be more to it than just turning us into mush to power the reaper. it may go back to what soverign said in ME1.

I posted my rationalisation as well as why they wanted Shepard a bit further up. It may or may not be correct but it gives some credibility to the plot I thought.


Use something as iconic as a Terminator though and you deserve what you get in the way of critism.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 31 janvier 2011 - 01:18 .

[Raizo]

I don't know, it just took me by surprise.

For starters, it looks to much like a T-1000 Terminator.

Second, its never really explained why the Collectors need Humans to make a Human looking Reaper. Don't get me wrong, I understand why the Reapers are interested in humanity and I also get why the would want to incorporate Human DNA into the thier own given just how genetically diverse Huamns are compared to other spices in the galxy but I don't get why the baby Reaper looks human. What is the point of creating a Giant Reaper that looks human, what adavantage does that shape have over the normal Reaper design. ME2 does not explain these things so you kind of walk away from the game wondering what was the point of all that.

[Slayer299]

I didn't like the final boss because it was just too jarring. Running into a baby terminator just made zero and no sense at all. I understood the whole "reapers are interested in humanity and Shepard" thing, but why it had to look like a 3-eyed terminator or the 'oh so conveniently and destroyable' tubes just blew the whole end game for me.



I mean seriously, why would a new Reaper a) look like a terminator and expected to be completed without anyone noticing the disappearance of a few MILLION humans made even less. If they'd use the reaper construct from the artwork book that would have been actually creepier to find.

[AkiKishi]

Slayer299 wrote...

I didn't like the final boss because it was just too jarring. Running into a baby terminator just made zero and no sense at all. I understood the whole "reapers are interested in humanity and Shepard" thing, but why it had to look like a 3-eyed terminator or the 'oh so conveniently and destroyable' tubes just blew the whole end game for me.

I mean seriously, why would a new Reaper a) look like a terminator and expected to be completed without anyone noticing the disappearance of a few MILLION humans made even less. If they'd use the reaper construct from the artwork book that would have been actually creepier to find.

The only thing that made sense to me is that the "reaper" is inside  the outershell and Sovereign was not actually shaped like that. Maybe the squid ship shape comes from the first Reaper.

Each reaper is like an archive of a species stored on an ark for some as yet unknown reason. My bet is that Shepard was going to be the consciosness of the reaper which is why they wanted him so bad. It's like they are cherry picking civilisations to be saved from something.

[Slayer299]

I understand, but it just seems that you (the player) have to stretch your sense of disbelief to accommodate the writers logic if that was their reason and it shouldn't be that *out there* for that to be an issue in the first place.

I don't know about the Reapers being a species Ark, but I'm willing to wait and see on that.

edit - annoying formatting

Modifié par Slayer299, 31 janvier 2011 - 02:17 .