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#251
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Xilizhra wrote...

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It seems to me like Bioware is painting the Renegade path as the "easy way out," which it absolutely shouldn't be.

Isn't expediency one of the hallmarks of Renegadeness?

In some ways, yes, but my main worry is that they'll give us Renegades a less "epic" storyline or ending in ME3 just to deliver a huge aesop that you should help people no matter what and make friends with huge insects when you get the chance.

My main worry involves the Collector Base decision. I'm not going to start a debate about which choice is better, but giving the base to TIM is an entirely justifiable decision. I fear that Bioware is just going to massively screw everyone who made that choice by revealing TIM as an ally of the Reapers or otherwise turning him into a full-on villain. The fact EVERYONE reacts positively to blowing up the base and negatively to keeping it sure as hell points in that direction.

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I don't think you have anything to worry about. Neither ethics meter has proved to have significant consequences. You'll be able to complete ME3 either way and Bioware can't afford to have the entire game change just because you're Renegade.

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Schneidend wrote...

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Is your solution to rudeness to be rude?

Liara is already involved in the conversation if she's there with me talking to the person I'm talking to. Hence, not rude.

Shepard drives all the conversations, and the team members are still accessorary. Hence, still rude. It's the same sort of reason you don't talk to the translator if at all possible when speaking across a language barrier, and why you don't look at them either even when they're explaining.

Not to mention, the very fact of Shepard needing an explanation on what an Asari Justicar is after setting out on a mission to recruit one is very, very stupid on a number of levels. That briefing should have occured, by an Asari expert before he even set out.


Or potentially not: Liara is a prothean expert, not an Asari expert. By her own admission, she's socially stunted.

Hence the qualifier "could."

Hence why a trained professional who would be qualified and expected to know, and not could know simply on the basis of an accident of birth, is preferable.

Shepard should have had an Asari expert even before he found Liara, even before he knew her trustworthiness.

So we can agree that the training is military, but does not necessarily make Tali a soldier. That's fair. She serves quite adequately as an engineer squadmate in ME1, though.

Her training is military in the sense it may or may not have been taught by military personnel. It is was not military training in the sense of making someone military.

I think this is a case of those cultural barriers coming into play. The krogan are aliens. What we deem professional and what they deem professional are going to be different. As long as Wrex can follow orders from his squad leader, this strikes me as an asset rather than a liability.

These cultural barriers are the problem that a similar professionalism would help avoid. It's easy to say 'as long as anyone is obediant, we'll be fine,' but you need more than obediance to be a good team member. You need to be able to work together as an integrated whole, with similar expectations, not not simply master-obedient.

But, as with krogan, their definition doesn't necessarily mesh with our own. Garrus doesn't salute you, he doesn't call you "sir." Is he as "unprofessional" as Wrex?

No. You're confusing regulations with discipline and professionalism.

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Fair points all, Dean. I'll concede the point that the squad may not be compatible with Alliance marines.



Still, I find there's plenty of reason to recruit them, especially for Shepards who want to distance themselves from the Alliance as Spectres.

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Subach_Innes wrote...

Particularly annoying is that the all-human council acts pretty much the same way as the old council does. Their denial of the Reapers flies in the face of  ME's Renegade ending, where the all-human council is formed specifically to provide united leadership against the Reaper threat.


There is no all-human council. There never was.  That was Udina's intention, no doubt, and probably that of the devs, but as of ME2, there is only a human-led council.

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Schneidend wrote...

Fair points all, Dean. I'll concede the point that the squad may not be compatible with Alliance marines.

Still, I find there's plenty of reason to recruit them, especially for Shepards who want to distance themselves from the Alliance as Spectres.

Why would SHepard want to distance him/herself from the Alliance when they volunteered and served in it for 12+ years?

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jbblue05 wrote...

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Fair points all, Dean. I'll concede the point that the squad may not be compatible with Alliance marines.

Still, I find there's plenty of reason to recruit them, especially for Shepards who want to distance themselves from the Alliance as Spectres.

Why would SHepard want to distance him/herself from the Alliance when they volunteered and served in it for 12+ years?

Projecting an image of inclusiveness for the rest of the galaxy.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Subach_Innes wrote...

Particularly annoying is that the all-human council acts pretty much the same way as the old council does. Their denial of the Reapers flies in the face of  ME's Renegade ending, where the all-human council is formed specifically to provide united leadership against the Reaper threat.


There is no all-human council. There never was.  That was Udina's intention, no doubt, and probably that of the devs, but as of ME2, there is only a human-led council.


So what's that dissident from former council races about? 

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Xilizhra wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Fair points all, Dean. I'll concede the point that the squad may not be compatible with Alliance marines.

Still, I find there's plenty of reason to recruit them, especially for Shepards who want to distance themselves from the Alliance as Spectres.

Why would SHepard want to distance him/herself from the Alliance when they volunteered and served in it for 12+ years?

Projecting an image of inclusiveness for the rest of the galaxy.


So basically your crapping on the organization that made your rise possible and bending over backwards to please the aliens

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To be frank, I don't see a soldier with that sort of attitude being selected to be Humanity's first spectre, when the entire basis of the Alliance push to have a spectre was to directly advance and defend Alliance interests.

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Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Subach_Innes wrote...

Particularly annoying is that the all-human council acts pretty much the same way as the old council does. Their denial of the Reapers flies in the face of  ME's Renegade ending, where the all-human council is formed specifically to provide united leadership against the Reaper threat.


There is no all-human council. There never was.  That was Udina's intention, no doubt, and probably that of the devs, but as of ME2, there is only a human-led council.


So what's that dissident from former council races about? 


Don't know.  Take it up with the opening crawl text:

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

To be frank, I don't see a soldier with that sort of attitude being selected to be Humanity's first spectre, when the entire basis of the Alliance push to have a spectre was to directly advance and defend Alliance interests.


Some people "get lost in the jungle"

Paragons make terrible spectres their better off being C-sec officers

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

To be frank, I don't see a soldier with that sort of attitude being selected to be Humanity's first spectre, when the entire basis of the Alliance push to have a spectre was to directly advance and defend Alliance interests.

And promoting integration isn't within Alliance interests?

So basically your crapping on the organization that made your rise possible and bending over backwards to please the aliens

If I was, I'd be ignoring all of Hackett's missions. I don't.

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didymos1120 wrote...


Don't know.  Take it up with the opening crawl text:

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*rubs temples* the least they could do is keep it consistent in the same damn game. <_<

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Xilizhra wrote...

If I was, I'd be ignoring all of Hackett's missions. I don't.


Public Perception

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jbblue05 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If I was, I'd be ignoring all of Hackett's missions. I don't.


Public Perception

Context? An actual sentence? Please?

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Xilizhra wrote...

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To be frank, I don't see a soldier with that sort of attitude being selected to be Humanity's first spectre, when the entire basis of the Alliance push to have a spectre was to directly advance and defend Alliance interests.

And promoting integration isn't within Alliance interests?

A false delimma. Promoting integration doesn't require distancing and disassociating with the Alliance.

Udina is a great compromiser and pursuer of politics. Udina is also a staunch advocate of human interests, without disassociating himself from the Alliance.

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jbblue05 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If I was, I'd be ignoring all of Hackett's missions. I don't.


Public Perception


The aliens are just plain better at things.

You do the missions the Alliance can't handle that should tell you something.

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Wurf wrote...
I fear that Bioware is just going to massively screw everyone who made that choice by revealing TIM as an ally of the Reapers or otherwise turning him into a full-on villain. The fact EVERYONE reacts positively to blowing up the base and negatively to keeping it sure as hell points in that direction.


Yes, it's justifiable,and that's the case whether or not bioware penalizes it (actually, I'd expect an epiloguesque forecast that keeping the base advances cerberus interests vaguely in the long-term post reapers with some moderate reflection of the decision in ME3 game play) BUT... all that having been said, just for the record.

TIM is a "full-on villain." No "turning" required. Your goals may or may not coincide with his and vice versa.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Subach_Innes wrote...

Particularly annoying is that the all-human council acts pretty much the same way as the old council does. Their denial of the Reapers flies in the face of  ME's Renegade ending, where the all-human council is formed specifically to provide united leadership against the Reaper threat.


There is no all-human council. There never was.  That was Udina's intention, no doubt, and probably that of the devs, but as of ME2, there is only a human-led council.


So what's that dissident from former council races about? 


Don't know.  Take it up with the opening crawl text:

Image IPB

That's ambiguous, but not contradictory. A human-dominated multi-racial Council is human-led. An all-human Council is also human-led.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

To be frank, I don't see a soldier with that sort of attitude being selected to be Humanity's first spectre, when the entire basis of the Alliance push to have a spectre was to directly advance and defend Alliance interests.

And promoting integration isn't within Alliance interests?

A false delimma. Promoting integration doesn't require distancing and disassociating with the Alliance.

Udina is a great compromiser and pursuer of politics. Udina is also a staunch advocate of human interests, without disassociating himself from the Alliance.

Yes, because surely having my entire crew with the exception of four people be career Alliance soldiers, and my spending nearly as much time helping out the Alliance as I do fighting Saren, is a heck of a lot of dissasociation.

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Xilizhra wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If I was, I'd be ignoring all of Hackett's missions. I don't.


Public Perception

Context? An actual sentence? Please?

We are discussing distancing yourself from the Alliance in  public

#273
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I think Thane died my last playthrough because I said "I could do without the philosophy lesson" (or whatever the exact words are) early on in my relationship with him.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

That's ambiguous, but not contradictory. A human-dominated multi-racial Council is human-led. An all-human Council is also human-led.


There's absolutely no point in specifying that an all-human council is human-led. Of course it's human-led.  There's nothing else it could be.  The only reason to even make the distinction is because it's not all-human.

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See my above post. I seriously doubt that I am in any significant way.