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[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

You've lost all credibility by basing your argument around ME2 gameplay.and personal preference
The Asari are not better they just have reputation and a deeper biotic pool.

Can an Asari Commando beat a Krogan Battlemaster a 100/100 times.   Can Asari Eclispe vanguard beat Vanguard or Adept Shepard a 100/100 times

Krogan can be killed   What's your point?

This is the ME2 GAME forum.

You seriously going to argue that humans are better biotics than Asari and say you have credibility when every shred of evidence contradicts you ? 

Humans can die too only a  heck of a lot easier than a  Krogan. You wanted facts I gave you facts.

How many times does Shepard get to reload (the game not his gun) ? 

Saying humans can never be as good as the Asari is ignorant.  Humans haven't learned their true potential yet. Human biotics have only been around for about 30 years in Mass Efeect

The evidence doesn't contradict me I just don't agree with your personal preference.

I believe we wre talking about who are better warriors NOT who's the better bullet sponge

[Xilizhra]

Liara being a powerful biotic just because she is so awesome is a lame reason

And humans being extra-special just because is also lame.

The rest of your post is just idle speculation and your desperate desire to believe that humans are the best at everything.

How naturally good she is is never really established. Gameplay mechanics aside, she's another adept who happens to be on Shepard's team. In ME1, Jenkins was gameplay identical to Ashley. She's not a bad biotic by any means, but she's never exactly made out to be 'best of the best' material either, either in raw power or skill. Same with Alenko.



She's good, and she has power. That's indisputable. How good or how powerful? Nothing really to go by, lore wise.

What about Redemption? It's also mentioned that she can defeat bunches of dig site raiders more or less singlehandedly.

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Facts are Bioware needs to give an explanation as to why she is a powerful Biotic Warrior.   

Samara has Justicar training
Shepard has N7 training and the most advanced biotic implants
Jack is powerful because of the experiments in the Teltin Facility.
Shiala has Commando Training.
Wrex had implants and passed the Rite of Passage._killing a thresher maw

Liara being a powerful biotic just because she is so awesome is a lame reason

The neural degradation the Jack is suffering is making her Biotics more powerful and Cerberus didn't complete their experiments on Jack, So Jack could be even more powerful than she already is.

Are you sure the Asari didn't experiment on their own to improve their Biotics? Like exposing their own to higher levels of eezo

Harbinger even says that Humans have extroadinary Biotic potential

Saying Asari has higher potential than humans is personal preference.
Humans are just beginnig to unlock the true biotic potential of humans

What you don't seem to be realising is that you are proving that the aliens are better even though that is not your intent. Humans have to try to be better and suffer for it. The aliens are just naturally better at particular things.

Maybe if they torture a few 100 children they may get half as good as the Asari.

Liara being that powerful is probably purely genetic her mother was powerful even by Asari standards. And her other parent is also an Asari.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

What about Redemption?

What about it? It's a comic by the same people that made Wrex look like a... something, had Garrus and Tali dual-weilding in ways they've never done before, and has a penchant for flying Turians.

Flying Turians!

So, the artists interpretation and comic-style inflation aside, what about Redemption that corresponds with the games?

It's also mentioned that she can defeat bunches of dig site raiders more or less singlehandedly.

And just what is the caliber of raider who would go after a dig-site?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 03 février 2011 - 09:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What about Redemption?

What about it? It's a comic by the same people that made Wrex look like a... something, had Garrus and Tali dual-weilding in ways they've never done before, and has a penchant for flying Turians.

Flying Turians!

So, the artists interpretation and comic-style inflation aside, what about Redemption that corresponds with the games?

It's also mentioned that she can defeat bunches of dig site raiders more or less singlehandedly.

And just what is the caliber of raider who would go after a dig-site?

Wat.

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Saying humans can never be as good as the Asari is ignorant.  Humans haven't learned their true potential yet. Human biotics have only been around for about 30 years in Mass Efeect

The evidence doesn't contradict me I just don't agree with your personal preference.

I believe we wre talking about who are better warriors NOT who's the better bullet sponge

They clearly can't naturally or they would not need to perform experiements. Asari are naturally powerful biotics humans are not. Thats just a fact of life.

Yes the evidence totally contradicts you , you just don't want to accept that humans are inferior for whatever reason.

If the enemy can't actually kill you , you win by default anyway.

[Xilizhra]

So, the artists interpretation and comic-style inflation aside, what about Redemption that corresponds with the games?

I have no idea, I've never read it. I thought that that's what what jbblue was referring to.

And just what is the caliber of raider who would go after a dig-site?

Anyone who wants money/artifacts, which is quite a wide net, from giggling simpletons to... okay fine, smartassed censor, National Socialist Worker's Party members.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 03 février 2011 - 09:14 .

[Casuist]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And just what is the caliber of raider who would go after a dig-site?

judging by Eden Prime, "substantial"

In all seriousness, there's considerable in-game lore to say Liara is a talented biotic, but little to decide in strength between her and Jack for the time being.

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

And humans being extra-special just because is also lame.
The rest of your post is just idle speculation and your desperate desire to believe that humans are the best at everything.

Hu,mans are luckier.  Krogans were the chosen race for ascension not humans.

I never said Humans are the best at everything. I'm saying nothing is set in stone and humans are still unlocking their potential

[PrinceLionheart]

I may be late to this but, what does Human vs Asari biotics have to do with the Paragon debate?

[Xilizhra]

Everyone has great potential; humans may be inexperienced, but that doesn't mean they can become a match for everyone.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Saying humans can never be as good as the Asari is ignorant.  Humans haven't learned their true potential yet. Human biotics have only been around for about 30 years in Mass Efeect

The evidence doesn't contradict me I just don't agree with your personal preference.

I believe we wre talking about who are better warriors NOT who's the better bullet sponge

They clearly can't naturally or they would not need to perform experiements. Asari are naturally powerful biotics humans are not. Thats just a fact of life.

Yes the evidence totally contradicts you , you just don't want to accept that humans are inferior for whatever reason.

If the enemy can't actually kill you , you win by default anyway.

Asari aren't naturally powerful biotics it depends on the individual and if they want to enhance their abilites.

Their is no evidence that contradicts me just your personal prefernce.
I never said humans are superior you're the only one spouting about superioriy.

You have a very limited view on what makes a great warrior

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

Everyone has great potential; humans may be inexperienced, but that doesn't mean they can become a match for everyone.

Doesn't mean they can't. 

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Hu,mans are luckier.  Krogans were the chosen race for ascension not humans.

I never said Humans are the best at everything. I'm saying nothing is set in stone and humans are still unlocking their potential

Potential has limits. I can train so I can bench press 250 lbs. But I will never be able to lift what an ant does to scale.

Some spieces are just better at things.

Aliens are doing the same things that humans are suffering to get better at with no effort. So if they put in actual effort they would widen the gap even further.

Not being able to be killed by the enemy is as good as it gets for a warrior. Anything else you have on your side like being bigger stronger and more experienced is just gravy.

Humans don't really live long enough anyway. A race that lives 1000 years has way more time to train.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 février 2011 - 09:28 .

[Xilizhra]

Possibly. It has yet to be determined.



Regardless, I won't be campaigning for human superiority anytime soon.

[Barquiel]

fascinating discussion

I want an all-asari squad for ME3

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Hu,mans are luckier.  Krogans were the chosen race for ascension not humans.

I never said Humans are the best at everything. I'm saying nothing is set in stone and humans are still unlocking their potential

Potential has limits. I can train so I can bench press 250 lbs. But I will never be able to lift what an ant does to scale.

Some spieces are just better at things.

Aliens are doing the same things that humans are suffering to get better at with no effort. So if they put in actual effort they would widen the gap even further.

Not being able to be killed by the enemy is as good as it gets for a warrior. Anything else you have on your side like being bigger stronger and more experienced is just gravy.

Humans don't really live long enough anyway. A race that lives 1000 years has way more time to train.

Competition= Advancement

Just to let you know Krogans are highly killable they just have a lfaster birth rate.  Somewhat similar to the Immortals in Xerxes army.

Modifié par jbblue05, 03 février 2011 - 09:31 .

[Xilizhra]

Barquiel wrote...

fascinating discussion

I want an all-asari squad for ME3

I second the motion. At least you can have one for LotSB.

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Competition= Advancement

Just to let you know Krogans are highly killable they just have a lfaster birth rate.  Somewhat similar to the Immortals in Xerxes army.

Huh ? Krogans barely have a birthrate at all.

Remember what Garrus said Garm healed so fast he eventually ran out of ammo and had to give up. Not exactly the definition of highly killable is it ?

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Competition= Advancement

Just to let you know Krogans are highly killable they just have a lfaster birth rate.  Somewhat similar to the Immortals in Xerxes army.

Huh ? Krogans barely have a birthrate at all.

Remember what Garrus said Garm healed so fast he eventually ran out of ammo and had to give up. Not exactly the definition of highly killable is it ?

Krogans use to have a high birth rate they gained their reputation of being great warriors when they won the rachni wars. and were beating the Council in the Rebellions
A big reason the won the rachni wars was their rediculously high birth rate.

Garrus left because Garm's crew showed up and it was an impossible battle to win.
Garrus should've brought some inferno rounds

[Jagri]

Krogan are some of the hardest of alien races to kill. Does anyone pay attention to the Codex?

They are highly resistant to environmental hazards, including toxins, radiation, and extreme heat and cold. Consequently their diets can include food and drink which would prove very dangerous to other species. Krogan typically stand over 7 feet and weigh roughly one ton in armor. Biotic individuals are rare, though those who do possess the talent typically have strong abilities. The most amazing physiological feature of krogan biology is the multiple instances of major organs. These secondary (and where applicable, tertiary) systems are capable of serving as back-ups in the event of damage to the primary biological structures.

What also has me impressed given people claim they are given no training what so ever is some gifted Krogan can become outright powerful biotics.

Modifié par Jagri, 03 février 2011 - 10:14 .

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...
Krogans use to have a high birth rate they gained their reputation of being great warriors when they won the rachni wars. and were beating the Council in the Rebellions
A big reason the won the rachni wars was their rediculously high birth rate.

Garrus left because Garm's crew showed up and it was an impossible battle to win.
Garrus should've brought some inferno rounds

Garrus has AP rounds which are more effective than inferno and still couldnt put Garm down. So tell me how are Krogan easy to kill ? 

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...


Flying Turians!


Wat.

There are drawings, in the ME1-substitute comic and in the TIM origin story, of Turians (Garrus in one, some other Turian in another)... well, I suppose the intent is 'firing while jumping', only they're jumping horizontal and their limbs are straight and horizontal to the ground.

It looks really, really silly.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

So, the artists interpretation and comic-style inflation aside, what about Redemption that corresponds with the games?

I have no idea, I've never read it. I thought that that's what what jbblue was referring to.

Nothing about Redemption really marks Liara as a super-class biotic master.

She's the action girl in the action comic, but besides comic inflation, really doesn't change what's shown in the games.

And just what is the caliber of raider who would go after a dig-site?

Anyone who wants money/artifacts, which is quite a wide net, from giggling simpletons to... okay fine, smartassed censor, National Socialist Worker's Party members.

****s were quite incompetent in many, many ways.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
Krogans use to have a high birth rate they gained their reputation of being great warriors when they won the rachni wars. and were beating the Council in the Rebellions
A big reason the won the rachni wars was their rediculously high birth rate.

Garrus left because Garm's crew showed up and it was an impossible battle to win.
Garrus should've brought some inferno rounds

Garrus has AP rounds which are more effective than inferno and still couldnt put Garm down. So tell me how are Krogan easy to kill ? 

I think inferno is better it stops regen. and does slighlty less damage to armor

The Krogan Idea strategy is to overrun the enemy. A heavy emphasis on the horde.
If you kill a dozen Krogan their are still a hundred more chargin at you..

The council killed plenty of Krogan in the Rebellions the Rachni killed plenty of Krogan in the Rachni wars but the Krogan had large numbers add into their damage resilience.

Krogan are easy to kill when you're at range and have a skilled sniper team