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[mineralica]

Renegade outcomes that made me go "WTH"?
Killing Council. No, I understand why no one likes humans - but where's my new Council every member of which got his seat because of me? Show up, guys!
Killing Cerberus' scientist. Not so about Renegade can't prove Cerberus was involved in Akuze but about the fact Paragon decision gets scientist officially giving the evidence against Cerberus. Extremely believeable, considering that Cerberus usually doing to cover their agents and their percentage in Alliance brass.
Edit: and entire team disagreeing on keeping the Collectors base, even that folks that initially agreed

Modifié par mineralica, 31 janvier 2011 - 11:22 .

[RAF1940]

I'd say Paragon (everyone loves you for saving the Council, seeing NPCs again, rachni going to help you, etc.)

[TheBlackBaron]

Yeah, I was more than a little annoyed that every single Paragon choice (with the possible exception of saving the Council) worked out perfectly with absolutely no downside, despite more than a few of them being quite risky and a handful being straight-up naive. It makes you doubt Bioware really means it when they talk about making both paths equal to each other and every decision having consequences.

Here's hoping that with everything on the line, Renegades finally get their time to shine in ME3.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:14 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Paragons have more content because they kill fewer people. Simple.

Besides not quite what he was addressing, this was neither a necessity nor an inherency.

Shiala could have been replaced by Elizabeth (as opposed to random colonist).
Parasini could have been replaced by Lorik.
Rachni Ambassador could have been replaced by grateful Noveria executive.

Etc.

[GodWood]

The Mass Effect setting is quite a cynical, realistic(ish) depiction of how a galaxy of sapient aliens would interact with one another.

Until of course Paragon Shep rocks up with his child like idealism and inability to have any of his stupid decisions blow up in his face and ruins it all.

[Iwillbeback]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Paragons have more content because they kill fewer people. Simple.

Besides not quite what he was addressing, this was neither a necessity nor an inherency.

Shiala could have been replaced by Elizabeth (as opposed to random colonist).
Parasini could have been replaced by Lorik.
Rachni Ambassador could have been replaced by grateful Noveria executive.

Etc.

Lol and then you kill Elizabeth,Lorik and the Noveria executive.

[Deathwurm]

I had a really fun Playthrough with my Renegade Shepard (he wasn't full Renegade...he was a Renegon as people are putting it) so I think the Playthroughs are just different, not better or worse...

Just my opinion, though.

[Icinix]

Deathwurm wrote...

I had a really fun Playthrough with my Renegade Shepard (he wasn't full Renegade...he was a Renegon as people are putting it) so I think the Playthroughs are just different, not better or worse...
Just my opinion, though.

Yeah pretty much this.  We'll all walk different paths but end up pretty much in the same place.  
Well - Reapers defeated - Just how we did it and who is the dominant factions will be different.

[Vaenier]

Paragons let a terrorist free who likes to kill entire planets... Nothing bad happens from it... This game is fail.

[GuardianAngel470]

MadCat221 wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

 Rachni princess

There is no such thing. Only one female per Rachni colony. Just like ants... exactly like ants........

Urm?  All ants/bees are technically female, just sterile.  Except when mating time comes around and some males are produced.

Did you play a Completionist run of ME1? Cuz that's pretty much true. All the regular soldiers are generic while there are a few larger males. You learn this on a side mission that is only discovered by landing on an uncharted planet.

You have to save a small Alliance unit from rachni swarms then investigate their base in a mine.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 01 février 2011 - 12:08 .

[STG]

Vaenier wrote...

Paragons let a terrorist free who likes to kill entire planets... Nothing bad happens from it... This game is fail.

Renegades usurp a galactic goverment... Nothing bad happens from it... This game is fail.

[lawp79]

I personally find paragon more fulfilling morally, but I find renegade more fun.

[Vaenier]

STG wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Paragons let a terrorist free who likes to kill entire planets... Nothing bad happens from it... This game is fail.

Renegades usurp a galactic goverment... Nothing bad happens from it... This game is fail.

Yes, that too. Where the hell are the consequences Bioware promised.

Wait, actually that does not happen. There are always aliens on the council. The human is simply more powerful and has more say. ME2 intro said so.

Modifié par Vaenier, 01 février 2011 - 12:14 .

[STG]

For real? Then what the hell was Udina smoking in ME 1? He specifically says that new council should be made out of one race alone, humanity.

Modifié par STG, 01 février 2011 - 12:19 .

[aDuck]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Paragons have more content because they kill fewer people. Simple.

Besides not quite what he was addressing, this was neither a necessity nor an inherency.

Shiala could have been replaced by Elizabeth (as opposed to random colonist).
Parasini could have been replaced by Lorik.
Rachni Ambassador could have been replaced by grateful Noveria executive.

Etc.

Well, maybe not Lorik, considering if you renegade his ace, *SPOILER* he gets himself killed *SPOILER*.
And what would the Noveria executive add to the story?  Would it just be a pat on the back "Thanks for following Peak 15's security control"?  If I saw that, I wouldnt be saying "Aww, isnt that nice that Bioware is being nice to my renegade, but more along the lines of "WHY!?!".

Anyway, my renegade is quite happy with how things turned out.  Less jerks in the way of his mission to save the galaxy and chew bubble gum...  and he's all out of bubble gum <_<

[oldag07]

STG wrote...

For real? Then what the hell was Udina smoking in ME 1? He specifically says that new council should be made out of one race alone, humanity.

Depending on the playthrough.  If you are paragon and let the council die, than it is multiracial.

[Ryzaki]

Okay first off if you kill Shiala you still get that cameo if you save the colony just a random colonist instead of Shiala. I'm so sick of that misinformation being spread.

2nd if you help out Lorik instead of Gianna and you talk to her (I specifically said I thought she was arrogant) you still get her cameo.

All this nonsense about renegade getting the short stick is just that. Nonsense.

Rachni queen doesn't show up because *gasp* you killed her!
Rana? Same thing.
Fist? Same thing.

It has less to do with paragon/renegade and more to do with if you saved/killed someone!

Shocking I know!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 février 2011 - 02:22 .

[Habelo]

Yes it really feels like ME automatically gives a better resolution when you go paragon.



And dragon age heavily favours a renegade

[Flamewielder]

Renegades tend to take a direct, cost-effective, calculating approach and yes, that doesn't help you make friends with people... If you want more content for renegades in ME3, don't expect it to be about people; if you shot Balak in ME1, I wouldn't expect his vengeful zombie to come back for Shepard's brains...

...although I guess the relatives from the hostages who died so you could kill the sunovabit*h could always feel resentful towards your Shepard. Again, not nearly as satisfying in terms of content.

Renegades care about results and efficiency. They don't have time to watch you burn. They have even less time for bleeding hearts and warmy-feely scenes. Get over it.

If you want rewards that make Renegade sense, ask for guns... lots of guns, ammo & badass armor developped by Alliance R&D or Cerberus labs using Neralee Bathia's corpse, or huskified colonists, or Thresher Maw'ed marines.

Renegades don't whine about not getting as many cutscenes as Paragons... they're a waste of precious time (and human lives) on your way to saving the Galaxy, man!

Modifié par Flamewielder, 01 février 2011 - 02:42 .

[7th_Phoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay first off if you kill Shiala you still get that cameo if you save the colony just a random colonist instead of Shiala. I'm so sick of that misinformation being spread.

2nd if you help out Lorik instead of Gianna and you talk to her (I specifically said I thought she was arrogant) you still get her cameo.

All this nonsense about renegade getting the short stick is just that. Nonsense.

Rachni queen doesn't show up because *gasp* you killed her!
Rana? Same thing.
Fist? Same thing.

It has less to do with paragon/renegade and more to do with if you saved/killed someone!

Shocking I know!

I agree. I've one renegade playthrough where I assisted Gianna in both ME and ME2 and allowed Wrex to live. It's whether you let the people you encountered live or die amongst other choices (deciding to help them or not) -- not strictly "renegade" or "paragon."

[Dean_the_Young]

aDuck wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Paragons have more content because they kill fewer people. Simple.

Besides not quite what he was addressing, this was neither a necessity nor an inherency.

Shiala could have been replaced by Elizabeth (as opposed to random colonist).
Parasini could have been replaced by Lorik.
Rachni Ambassador could have been replaced by grateful Noveria executive.

Etc.

Well, maybe not Lorik, considering if you renegade his ace, *SPOILER* he gets himself killed *SPOILER*.

Lorik is the Turian. Not Anaolis, the administer.

And what would the Noveria executive add to the story?  Would it just be a pat on the back "Thanks for following Peak 15's security control"?  If I saw that, I wouldnt be saying "Aww, isnt that nice that Bioware is being nice to my renegade, but more along the lines of "WHY!?!".

Besides continuity being a good thing in and of itself, same as the Rachni Queen ambassador?

One thing would be the possibility of 'immediate, short-term benefits': while the Rachni give nothing now, but will be a big army later, the Noveria executives could give you a free tech upgrade of some sort as 'thanks.' Useful now, not so useful later.

[aDuck]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

aDuck wrote...
Well, maybe not Lorik, considering if you renegade his ace, *SPOILER* he gets himself killed *SPOILER*.

Lorik is the Turian. Not Anaolis, the administer.

Ah, my bad.  Still stands though, why is the Administrator of Port Hanshan (Noveria) of Synthetic Insights at Illium?  Anyway, wheither its planned or laziness, I think Bioware did ok.

Modifié par aDuck, 01 février 2011 - 03:34 .

[Xilizhra]

aDuck wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

aDuck wrote...
Well, maybe not Lorik, considering if you renegade his ace, *SPOILER* he gets himself killed *SPOILER*.

Lorik is the Turian. Not Anaolis, the administer.

Ah, my bad.  Still stands though, why is the Administrator of Port Hanshan (Noveria) of Synthetic Insights at Illium?  Anyway, wheither its planned or laziness, I think Bioware did ok.

Right. Why would he care about some weapons dealer on Ilium?

That said, I don't like Gianna and her missions are the only times when I'm seriously tempted to Renegade. I don't care if the various corrupt corporate executives are having their money taken by another corrupt corporate executive, and I don't care about... well, exactly the same thing happening on Illium, except there it's being done by one merchant. Gianna's line after screwing Hermia over made me rage as well.

[Ryzaki]

Huh? Why did you get angry over the "I love nailing Asari." line. Besides Hermia had been screwing people over and maybe leading to a few deaths.

[Xilizhra]

Because it sounded really speciesist. Hell, even if we go by the "nationality not race" rule, which I think only applies to governments, saying it about, say, the French would still have been crude and unnecessary.