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[jbblue05]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Besides continuity being a good thing in and of itself, same as the Rachni Queen ambassador?

One thing would be the possibility of 'immediate, short-term benefits': while the Rachni give nothing now, but will be a big army later, the Noveria executives could give you a free tech upgrade of some sort as 'thanks.' Useful now, not so useful later.

This.

If Shiala, Conrad, Asari (rachni queen), and Gianna just happen to be on Nos Astra,  why can't other NPC's

Paragons get a message from the rachni queen while renegades just get a three second news report.

Paragons get suggestive dialogue from Shiala while renegades get generic colonist who you never interacted with and a breif message from Lizbeth..

Paragons get to converse with the Council again renegades don't see the new council we just get the traitor Anderson. Bioware could've given renegades more dialogue with Udina or give us an audience with Admiral Hackett 



 

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

Because it sounded really speciesist. Hell, even if we go by the "nationality not race" rule, which I think only applies to governments, saying it about, say, the French would still have been crude and unnecessary.

The Asari are pretty damn speciest against humanity.

True but honestly I kind of agree with the line so that's probably why it didn't bother me.

"I love nailing Asari. So ageless and superior and then you get them and the squeal like schoolgirls." 

Asari...just annoy me frankly.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 février 2011 - 04:30 .

[Xilizhra]

The asari? As in every single asari both in their enormous Republics and outside it? Generalizations like that, well, suck.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

The asari? As in every single asari both in their enormous Republics and outside it? Generalizations like that, well, suck.

True just like them making sweeping generalizations about humans suck.

Very realistic though.

Edit: Though I hate the whole alien space babe nonsense as a whole.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 février 2011 - 04:32 .

[Xilizhra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The asari? As in every single asari both in their enormous Republics and outside it? Generalizations like that, well, suck.

True just like them making sweeping generalizations about humans suck.

Very realistic though.

Edit: Though I hate the whole alien space babe nonsense as a whole.

I don't make sweeping generalizations about humans.
Aside from being speciesist as far as I can tell, Gianna enjoys both deception and hurting people, none of whom I have any reason to believe are less ethical than her own bosses, just more blatant.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't make sweeping generalizations about humans.
Aside from being speciesist as far as I can tell, Gianna enjoys both deception and hurting people, none of whom I have any reason to believe are less ethical than her own bosses, just more blatant.

You're not an Asari.

Deception? Oh you mean exposing the truth and hurting liars and theives?

Exacty what's wrong with that? I hope you didn't lie with Shepard or attack anyone disarmed and helpless. (Which would include Fist, Rana, Rachni Queen, Random Merc on Thane's mission, Wounded Merc on Grunt's mission, so on)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 février 2011 - 04:39 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Ryzaki wrote...

"I love nailing Asari. So ageless and superior and then you get them and they squeal like schoolgirls." 

Heh.  Seems Gianna and I have similar interests.

[Barquiel]

Who makes "sweeping generalizations" about humans. I remember Alestia Iallis on Noveria. Did I forget someone ( -asari)?

[Xilizhra]

Exacty what's wrong with that? I hope you didn't lie with Shepard or attack anyone disarmed and helpless. (Which would include Fist, Rana, Rachni Queen, Random Merc on Thane's mission, Wounded Merc on Grunt's mission, so on)

Exactly right. I attack none of them.

Deception? Oh you mean exposing the truth and hurting liars and theives?

There's a difference between doing it (sometimes necessary) and liking it (never).

Who makes "sweeping generalizations" about humans. I remember Alestia Iallis on Noveria. Did I forget someone ( -asari)?

And, of course, Alestia is evil.

[Ryzaki]

Barquiel wrote...

Who makes "sweeping generalizations" about humans. I remember Alestia Iallis on Noveria. Did I forget someone ( -asari)?

Actually from Liara's tone I get the feeling most of them do the ones who don't are the exceptions (that said I get the same vibe from humanity the other way around). The Asari councilor didn't exactly improve my views on it. The Consort was around too many aliens to make generalizations about anyone and Benezia was a villian. Liara was too socially awkward, Shiala was betrayed (and she had already screwed humans over).

Or maybe I just got that impression from that damn Asari cop.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

Exactly right. I attack none of them.

So I assume you don't take any renegade interrupts? Like the pilot on Garrus' mission?

Or hit Archer?

There's a difference between doing it (sometimes necessary) and liking it (never).

Yes because its a terrible thing to like decieving liars and thieves.

And, of course, Alestia is evil.

Evil? 

That's a rather sweeping generalization.

Who is Alestia anyways? I don't even recall any Asari on Novera. :/

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 février 2011 - 04:49 .

[Xilizhra]

Who makes "sweeping generalizations" about humans. I remember Alestia Iallis on Noveria. Did I forget someone ( -asari)?

So I assume you don't take any renegade interrupts? Like the pilot on Garrus' mission?



Or hit Archer?

All right, I admit it; my Shepard's allegiance to her own moral standards isn't 100% perfect. Stone me to death now.

Yes because its a terrible thing to like decieving liars and thieves.

It'd help if she wasn't working for them.

Evil?



That's a rather sweeping generalization.

True. She may simply be indoctrinated. My apologies.

[Wurf]

I'm fine with most of the renegade choices, but there are a few instances where Bioware's paragon bias is about as subtle as a boot to the face. The choice that bugs me the most is whether to save the Council or let them die. By choosing the former, you're giving Sovereign more time and risking not only more human lives but also the well-being of the entire galaxy, all just to save three buffoons who never did anything to help you in the past. But in the end, not only does saving the Council work out, you barely end up with any fleet casualties for doing so!

The Collector Base decision is a little more subjective than the one at the end of ME1, but I'm still immensely bugged by how the entire squad supports you and says you made the right choice if you blow it up, and conversely, chews you out if you keep it. This includes the more amoral crewmembers, and, hell, even Morinth agrees with the decision to blow it up. Morinth. If this isn't a gigantic slap in the face to renegades just because they went with a fairly rational, if not ideal, choice, I don't even know what it is anymore.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...
All right, I admit it; my Shepard's allegiance to her own moral standards isn't 100% perfect. Stone me to death now.

He who cast the first stone.

It'd help if she wasn't working for them.

That's a rather...naive view of the world.

True. She may simply be indoctrinated. My apologies.

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Riight.

[hawat333]

As for killing people, they sure haven't shown up, but apart from the Feros colonist and Wreav on Tuchanka, we met no one else instead.

This could be remedied in a way. I mean, I didn't expect a replacement for every single person, but there could've been something.

I don't know, an investigator turning up on Nos Astra, gathering information about a well-respected businesswoman who misteriously disappeard two years ago, namely Helena Blake, or a bunty hunter, trying to catch the killer of the his principal's brother, who was actually Fist, that kind of events, or anything, really. Because as for now, death's only repricussion is the character being missing, nothing else.

I've seriously expected on my first Renegade import to have at least one Council Spectre hunting me for my ill deeds.

[Xilizhra]

He who cast the first stone.

This is why I don't kill Gianna.

That's a rather...naive view of the world.

I'm content to let the liars and thieves take bites out of each other while working on saving the galaxy as long as they aren't causing major harm.

Riight.

She's affiliated with Benezia's commandos, and all of them kill their way past a door guard on Peak 15 to try and kill you.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

This is why I don't kill Gianna.

Okay...

I'm content to let the liars and thieves take bites out of each other while working on saving the galaxy as long as they aren't causing major harm.

You do realize you worked with Cerberus, Murders, Liars and theives all of ME2 right? 

She's affiliated with Benezia's commandos, and all of them kill their way past a door guard on Peak 15 to try and kill you.

Ah now I remember. THe chick that apears out of nowhere when you make the cure?

Hell there wasn't enough of her to say she's evil or not. Trying to kill Shep isn't a requirement for an evil character.

[Xilizhra]

You do realize you worked with Cerberus, Murders, Liars and theives all of ME2 right?

Don't get me started. I destroyed Overlord, destroyed the Collector base, and if I can destroy them altogether in ME3 without ruining my chances against the Reapers, I will.

[Barquiel]

Ryzaki wrote...



You do realize you worked with Cerberus, Murders, Liars and theives all of ME2 right? 

Well, our options are rather limited

I would certainly prefer the council (spectres, asari commandos, alliance marines,...)

[Ryzaki]

Barquiel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...



You do realize you worked with Cerberus, Murders, Liars and theives all of ME2 right? 

Well, our options are rather limited

I would certainly prefer the council (spectres, asari commandos, alliance marines,...)

True but we still worked with them. And the alliance/council/spectres aren't exactly innocent either.

Xilizhra wrote...

Don't get me started. I destroyed
Overlord, destroyed the Collector base, and if I can destroy them
altogether in ME3 without ruining my chances against the Reapers, I
will.

I hope you extend that to the Council and the Alliance as well.

[Xilizhra]

I hope you extend that to the Council and the Alliance as well.

I no longer trust the Alliance, so... maybe. The Council, though, is far too large on the galactic scene to simply smash without causing tremendous havoc (or a coup) all over Citadel space. That institution needs reform more.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope you extend that to the Council and the Alliance as well.

I no longer trust the Alliance, so... maybe. The Council, though, is far too large on the galactic scene to simply smash without causing tremendous havoc (or a coup) all over Citadel space. That institution needs reform more.

Oh? But what about the SPECTREs. Vasir surely showed you how corrupt they were.

[Barquiel]

Ryzaki wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope you extend that to the Council and the Alliance as well.

I no longer trust the Alliance, so... maybe. The Council, though, is far too large on the galactic scene to simply smash without causing tremendous havoc (or a coup) all over Citadel space. That institution needs reform more.

Oh? But what about the SPECTREs. Vasir surely showed you how corrupt they were.

Yes, they need better oversight.

[Xilizhra]

Barquiel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope you extend that to the Council and the Alliance as well.

I no longer trust the Alliance, so... maybe. The Council, though, is far too large on the galactic scene to simply smash without causing tremendous havoc (or a coup) all over Citadel space. That institution needs reform more.

Oh? But what about the SPECTREs. Vasir surely showed you how corrupt they were.

Yes, they need better oversight.

In all likelihood. But Reapers first, Cerberus second, Council maybe third.

[Ryzaki]

If anyone should be second it's the council. They have far more influence than Cerberus does.