Pwner1323 wrote...
No, I chose concentrate on Sovereign because it's the realistic thing to do. Everything ending happy seems too corny for me. Plus, for me, seving them would have doomed the entire galaxy. In my canon.
It's more of cultural-ist and age-ist. A lot of Asari do play the 'experiance' card, whether wittingly or unwittingly.Xilizhra wrote...
Because it sounded really speciesist. Hell, even if we go by the "nationality not race" rule, which I think only applies to governments, saying it about, say, the French would still have been crude and unnecessary.
Xil, didn't we just have this discussion about Cerberus and the Council five minutes ago? The whole 'I want to crush Cerberus, but can't be bothered to work against the Council whom I work for for far graver sins''?Xilizhra wrote...
It'd help if she wasn't working for them.Yes because its a terrible thing to like decieving liars and thieves.
Actually, we had it several hours ago and then you stopped replying, but I'd love to resume it. And my reason here is that, not only do I not really believe that the Council's sins are qualitively greater than Cerberus' (quantitively greater, because the Council commands so many more resources and has been operating for thousands of years longer), but because I can't just wipe out the institution without causing havoc on way too great a scale. Or, likely, at all.Dean_the_Young wrote...
Xil, didn't we just have this discussion about Cerberus and the Council five minutes ago? The whole 'I want to crush Cerberus, but can't be bothered to work against the Council whom I work for for far graver sins''?Xilizhra wrote...
It'd help if she wasn't working for them.Yes because its a terrible thing to like decieving liars and thieves.
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Xilizhra wrote...
I no longer trust the Alliance, so... maybe. The Council, though, is far too large on the galactic scene to simply smash without causing tremendous havoc (or a coup) all over Citadel space. That institution needs reform more.
How much the Alliance is on my list depends upon how much influence Cerberus has. If the tumor is small and I can rip it out without hurting the Alliance much, wonderful. But if it's spread and has its tentacles spread widely throughout the Alliance's body... well, I'll help it recover as much as I can thereafter.Dean_the_Young wrote...
Mintues, hours, it's the same when you have to go to classes.
You've never had a problem putting the Alliance on your enemies list, Xil. And less damage and evil is still less damage and evils.
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Wrex - Killing him was not a "renegade" option;
oldag07 wrote...
STG wrote...
For real? Then what the hell was Udina smoking in ME 1? He specifically says that new council should be made out of one race alone, humanity.
Depending on the playthrough. If you are paragon and let the council die, than it is multiracial.
BobSmith101 wrote...
Renegade is selfish and ruthless it's not exactly evil.
In a lot of ways it made good tactical sense to not save the council and focus on taking out sovereign. But it made no difference in the end so it was just a cosmetic choice.
A more interesting outcome would have been focus on Sovereign - have an easier boss battle. Save council - harder boss battle. That would make the choice meaningful.
jbblue05 wrote...
A true renegade option would be blowing up the DA personally
Kind of like how the infamous "you're working too hard" Renegade interrupt in Garrus' recruitment mission makes the battle with Tarak easier later on?BobSmith101 wrote...
A more interesting outcome would have been focus on Sovereign - have an easier boss battle. Save council - harder boss battle. That would make the choice meaningful.
jbblue05 wrote...
Renegades are not selfish
didymos1120 wrote...
Here's the opening crawl for "Concentrate on Sovereign":
And the one for explicitly abandoning them:
The Council is "human-led" in both instances.
didymos1120 wrote...
jbblue05 wrote...
Renegades are not selfish
So explain all those "Gimme creds nao!" options, sometimes "asked" at gunpoint.
Wurf wrote...
Kind of like how the infamous "you're working too hard" Renegade interrupt in Garrus' recruitment mission makes the battle with Tarak easier later on?BobSmith101 wrote...
A more interesting outcome would have been focus on Sovereign - have an easier boss battle. Save council - harder boss battle. That would make the choice meaningful.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Besides not quite what he was addressing, this was neither a necessity nor an inherency.Xilizhra wrote...
Paragons have more content because they kill fewer people. Simple.
Shiala could have been replaced by Elizabeth (as opposed to random colonist).
Parasini could have been replaced by Lorik.
Rachni Ambassador could have been replaced by grateful Noveria executive.
Etc.
jbblue05 wrote...
Renegades promote galactic stability
When ou kill people, they don't reappear. fact of life. *shrug*Crusade wrote...
Killing wrex was bad choice since he imporves things for his people
Letting council die made people hate humans more
and if you dont save rachni and save all these people you dont really have much incounters from me1 since you killed and let every one die.
I hope me3 favours renegade instead.
Barquiel wrote...
jbblue05 wrote...
Renegades promote galactic stability
Yes, the galaxy is very stable if all non-humans are eradicated, enslaved or oppressed...
Modifié par Barquiel, 01 février 2011 - 07:28 .
Since our "playing the hero" actually keeps galactic stability better than your... whatever it is you do, I think you have little ground to stand on.jbblue05 wrote...
BobSmith101 wrote...
Renegade is selfish and ruthless it's not exactly evil.
In a lot of ways it made good tactical sense to not save the council and focus on taking out sovereign. But it made no difference in the end so it was just a cosmetic choice.
A more interesting outcome would have been focus on Sovereign - have an easier boss battle. Save council - harder boss battle. That would make the choice meaningful.
Renegades are not selfish Paragons are more selfish.
Renegades promote galactic stability
Paragons are about playing the hero and satisfying their moral compass
BobSmith101 wrote...
Renegade is selfish and ruthless it's not exactly evil.
In a lot of ways it made good tactical sense to not save the council and focus on taking out sovereign. But it made no difference in the end so it was just a cosmetic choice.
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