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[AkiKishi]

Blue is right the council are just cowards looking for safety. I mean the DA could have at least tried to do somethong heck maybe self destruct and take out some geth cruisers. But, I always saved them because a human ran galactic council just spells trouble. I beleive in ME3 the council might, just might, stand by your side for once, and perhaps vitally help against the reapers. Who knows? I could be wrong. Probably they will clamour into the destiny ascension disable themselves and cry out for help. At that point I would gladly blow them up myself!  

Sovereign is between the DA and the Citadel... What do you think happens when it fires it's main gun ? Have you heard that hillarious little speech the gunnery chief makes on the Citadel ? 

[jbblue05]

Zurcior wrote...

Mercenaries? The only mercenary was Wrex, and he wasn't even on the mission for the money.

I'll report you for that insult. Great job!

Smarter choice? How?

Absolution is the folly of the short-sighted. "not giving your enemies a second chance to stab you in the back." Are you saying that RenegadeShep is a paranoid coward who makes decisions based on fear? Seems like it.

Saren's power is growing??? Please. And Keeper scanning doesn't even take that long.

Garrus and Tali are mercenaries they're not Alliance and they're not part of the Council.  Garrus quits C-Sec

I already posted why I think killing the Rachni queen is the smarter choice

Better a touch paranoid thn face down in a ditch.

Shepard whether Paragon or Renegade is DEFINENTLY not a coward.

Saren was getting stronger.  He was breeding an army on Virmire.



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[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Blue is right the council are just cowards looking for safety. I mean the DA could have at least tried to do somethong heck maybe self destruct and take out some geth cruisers. But, I always saved them because a human ran galactic council just spells trouble. I beleive in ME3 the council might, just might, stand by your side for once, and perhaps vitally help against the reapers. Who knows? I could be wrong. Probably they will clamour into the destiny ascension disable themselves and cry out for help. At that point I would gladly blow them up myself!  

Sovereign is between the DA and the Citadel... What do you think happens when it fires it's main gun ? Have you heard that hillarious little speech the gunnery chief makes on the Citadel ? 

The DA still has seocndary weapons and plus if Soverein is destroyed he's going to land right in the Citadel..
Plus the DA could attack from a certain angle to minimize collateral damage

Modifié par jbblue05, 01 février 2011 - 11:19 .

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

The DA still has seocndary weapons and plus if Soverein is destroyed he's going to land right in the Citadel..

Those are for defence. 

It's big it's slow and and it's simply not suited for that type of engagement so they did the most sensible thing and stayed out of the way.

That's a preferable outcome to a very large hole right through the Citadel

[Wulfram]

Garrus and Tali are mercenaries?
They better not be expecting to be payed. I'm sure the council wouldn't let Shepard put it on expenses - bloody cheapskates.

Modifié par Wulfram, 01 février 2011 - 11:20 .

[JerkyJohnny14]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Blue is right the council are just cowards looking for safety. I mean the DA could have at least tried to do somethong heck maybe self destruct and take out some geth cruisers. But, I always saved them because a human ran galactic council just spells trouble. I beleive in ME3 the council might, just might, stand by your side for once, and perhaps vitally help against the reapers. Who knows? I could be wrong. Probably they will clamour into the destiny ascension disable themselves and cry out for help. At that point I would gladly blow them up myself!  

Sovereign is between the DA and the Citadel... What do you think happens when it fires it's main gun ? Have you heard that hillarious little speech the gunnery chief makes on the Citadel ? 

Yea when he talks to the new recruits right?  But I think he was talking about a regular alliance frigate launching that 20 kiloton bonb towards enemy vessels. He compared it to the bomb dropped on hiroshima and that it was 20X more powerful than that and that in space the bomb would not stop. I don't think we have heard anything about the DA's main cannon except from the excerpt Ashley made in ME 1 saying "that cannon could tear any alliance ship apart" and then Joker got jealous of it. So if the main gun was fired I believe it would just blow soveriegn to pieces and maybe hurt the citadel. If that is still a bad idea then maybe it could have fired against the waves of geth cruisers that were away from the citadel and thus help the alliance take down soverign. Im just speculating.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

The DA still has seocndary weapons and plus if Soverein is destroyed he's going to land right in the Citadel..

Those are for defence. 

It's big it's slow and and it's simply not suited for that type of engagement so they did the most sensible thing and stayed out of the way.

That's a preferable outcome to a very large hole right through the Citadel

Their is no excuse for the DA not attacking at range.

Dreadnought are perfect for ranged fighting.

Two large holes in the Citadel are preferrable to Sovereign winning

[JerkyJohnny14]

Wulfram wrote...

Garrus and Tali are mercenaries?
They better not be expecting to be payed. I'm sure the council wouldn't let Shepard put it on expenses - bloody cheapskates.

Naw man its all good. They join the mission out of their own want to save the galaxy I dont think they are looking for pay. Tali became a hero to migrant fleet for helping stop saren and also the data if you retieved it. And wrex became the leader of his people, if you saved him. I did both those things and i think they are satisfied.

[AkiKishi]

Their is no excuse for the DA not attacking at range.

Dreadnought are perfect for ranged fighting.

Two large holes in the Citadel are preferrable to Sovereign winning

It's a very logical reason. The collateral damage would have been horrific.
 
The Citadel has a huge population (can't be bothered to look it up) so those two large holes would likely kill millions of people.

[Dirty_Dan]

jbblue05 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dirty_Dan wrote...

Also if you think about it, they need to take out the geth ships anyway, why not while the arms are opening up then when you also have to deal with sovereign.

Yeah, I always kinda wondered about that:

"I say we just ignore that sizable and apparently undamaged enemy force."

"Fantastic idea.  I mean, it's not like they'll attack us from behind or anything while we're all concentrating on Sovereign..."

"Oh, did you read the script too, sir?"

Its called cutting the head off the snake and the body will die

The point is to hold the fleet back while the Geth leave Sovereign vulnerable by attacking other Citadel forces.

The Alliance at full strength is supposed to overwhlem Sovereign for a short period.  The battle with Sovereign only lasted a couple of minutes

The Alliance could jam Sovereign's communication so he can't recall the Geth.  plus Shepard can lock the Alliance and Sovereign in the CItadel arm if the Geth show  

So... blowing up the ship before we can do anything will destract the geth while we can do stuff?

[Zurcior]

jbblue05 wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

Mercenaries? The only mercenary was Wrex, and he wasn't even on the mission for the money.

I'll report you for that insult. Great job!

Smarter choice? How?

Absolution is the folly of the short-sighted. "not giving your enemies a second chance to stab you in the back." Are you saying that RenegadeShep is a paranoid coward who makes decisions based on fear? Seems like it.

Saren's power is growing??? Please. And Keeper scanning doesn't even take that long.

Garrus and Tali are mercenaries they're not Alliance and they're not part of the Council.  Garrus quits C-Sec

I already posted why I think killing the Rachni queen is the smarter choice

Better a touch paranoid thn face down in a ditch.

Shepard whether Paragon or Renegade is DEFINENTLY not a coward.

Saren was getting stronger.  He was breeding an army on Virmire.



.

 Tali and Garrus weren't mercenaries. Mercenaries get paid. They were more like volunteers. Udina practically assigned Tali to your squad. And that was BEFORE Shepard was a Spectre. And Garrus just wanted to pursue Saren without C-SEC's "red tape".

 Because of information from second-hand sources? You can't condemn a species because you heard bad things about them.

Really? And how does that work when that "touch paranoid" is the reason RenShep is face down in a ditch.

Fine.

Nothing a nuke couldn't handle. And it did.

[Asheer_Khan]

jbblue05 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

The DA still has seocndary weapons and plus if Soverein is destroyed he's going to land right in the Citadel..

Those are for defence. 

It's big it's slow and and it's simply not suited for that type of engagement so they did the most sensible thing and stayed out of the way.

That's a preferable outcome to a very large hole right through the Citadel

Their is no excuse for the DA not attacking at range.

Dreadnought are perfect for ranged fighting.

Two large holes in the Citadel are preferrable to Sovereign winning

And what if one of the DA shoots would damaged for example reactors powering Citadel caused catastrophis meltdown?

I admit that Sove wouldn't have a single chance but along side with him millions still present on Citadel not to mention knocking out cold WHOLE Mass Relays network dooming key civilizations to very slow but inevitable extinction...  unless someone would develop within next 20 years a warp drive thing.<_<

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 01 février 2011 - 11:37 .

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...


Their is no excuse for the DA not attacking at range.

Yeah, except for the fact that it couldn't maneuver, which means no aiming.  And that's assuming the weapon systems were even still working at that point. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 01 février 2011 - 11:38 .

[didymos1120]

JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

Blue is right the council are just cowards looking for safety. I mean the DA could have at least tried to do somethong heck maybe self destruct and take out some geth cruisers.

This is sort of like saying that if circumstances arose where the President was being evacuated on a combat capable naval vessel and that vessel ended up requiring rescue, it should ram an enemy ship just because.  That's...silly.  You don't deliberately get your Head of State of killed when the option for them to, you know, live, exists.

Modifié par didymos1120, 01 février 2011 - 11:49 .

[Asheer_Khan]

I want to remind that fight between Sovieregin and Citadel Fleet started when Shep&co were still on Ilos and when they "land" on Citadel scale of internal damages (and Avina's report) showed pretty clear that battle was going on from a quite long time... beside Sovieregin took direct "shortcut" to Citadel leaving DA gunners practicly no target to fire.

If you want real life example how "effective" are big guns against fast moving targets watch on Youtube history of Leyte battle where 4 "Fletcher" class destroyers outmanouver mighty Yamato despite fact that even single hit from his main guns would turn such destroyer in nothing more than steel confetti.

DA main trump card in form of main guns was pretty quick neutralized because Geth moved to close combat and not even most powerful kinetic barriers stays long when they are constant bombarded from every directions.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 01 février 2011 - 11:54 .

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...

The Alliance could jam Sovereign's communication so he can't recall the Geth. 

Yeah, I'm sure they somehow failed to notice the Citadel opening and all those Alliance vessels flying right past them.  And you're also just assuming they could jam Sovereign.  I see no reason to believe that's the case.

plus Shepard can lock the Alliance and Sovereign in the CItadel arm if the Geth show  

Unfortunately, Shep had fallen down below and was busy fighting Saren. So much for that idea.

[jbblue05]

Zurcior wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

Mercenaries? The only mercenary was Wrex, and he wasn't even on the mission for the money.

I'll report you for that insult. Great job!

Smarter choice? How?

Absolution is the folly of the short-sighted. "not giving your enemies a second chance to stab you in the back." Are you saying that RenegadeShep is a paranoid coward who makes decisions based on fear? Seems like it.

Saren's power is growing??? Please. And Keeper scanning doesn't even take that long.

Garrus and Tali are mercenaries they're not Alliance and they're not part of the Council.  Garrus quits C-Sec

I already posted why I think killing the Rachni queen is the smarter choice

Better a touch paranoid thn face down in a ditch.

Shepard whether Paragon or Renegade is DEFINENTLY not a coward.

Saren was getting stronger.  He was breeding an army on Virmire.



.

 Tali and Garrus weren't mercenaries. Mercenaries get paid. They were more like volunteers. Udina practically assigned Tali to your squad. And that was BEFORE Shepard was a Spectre. And Garrus just wanted to pursue Saren without C-SEC's "red tape".

 Because of information from second-hand sources? You can't condemn a species because you heard bad things about them.

Really? And how does that work when that "touch paranoid" is the reason RenShep is face down in a ditch.

Fine.

Nothing a nuke couldn't handle. And it did.

Your forgetting Sheaprd is an ALliance marine he's on the most advanced warship in the Alliance and he has the full support of the Alliance.

Why in the heck would he want Alien mercenaries on his team. Those aliens don't have the same training as him. Shepard would be better off with Ash/Kaiden and other N7 marines.
The aliens were their for fan service and expanding the story

[Asheer_Khan]

jbblue05 wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

Mercenaries? The only mercenary was Wrex, and he wasn't even on the mission for the money.

I'll report you for that insult. Great job!

Smarter choice? How?

Absolution is the folly of the short-sighted. "not giving your enemies a second chance to stab you in the back." Are you saying that RenegadeShep is a paranoid coward who makes decisions based on fear? Seems like it.

Saren's power is growing??? Please. And Keeper scanning doesn't even take that long.

Garrus and Tali are mercenaries they're not Alliance and they're not part of the Council.  Garrus quits C-Sec

I already posted why I think killing the Rachni queen is the smarter choice

Better a touch paranoid thn face down in a ditch.

Shepard whether Paragon or Renegade is DEFINENTLY not a coward.

Saren was getting stronger.  He was breeding an army on Virmire.



.

 Tali and Garrus weren't mercenaries. Mercenaries get paid. They were more like volunteers. Udina practically assigned Tali to your squad. And that was BEFORE Shepard was a Spectre. And Garrus just wanted to pursue Saren without C-SEC's "red tape".

 Because of information from second-hand sources? You can't condemn a species because you heard bad things about them.

Really? And how does that work when that "touch paranoid" is the reason RenShep is face down in a ditch.

Fine.

Nothing a nuke couldn't handle. And it did.

Your forgetting Sheaprd is an ALliance marine he's on the most advanced warship in the Alliance and he has the full support of the Alliance.

Why in the heck would he want Alien mercenaries on his team. Those aliens don't have the same training as him. Shepard would be better off with Ash/Kaiden and other N7 marines.
The aliens were their for fan service and expanding the story

You start to sound like that douche Mikhailovitch(sp?)<_<

[jbblue05]

The DA has secondary weapons.

The council left the Alliance out to dry their cowards.

[jbblue05]

didymos1120 wrote...

Yeah, I'm sure they somehow failed to notice the Citadel opening and all those Alliance vessels flying right past them.  And you're also just assuming they could jam Sovereign.  I see no reason to believe that's the case.

You forget that Shepard didn't open the mass relay until Sovereign was alone. Delaying communications or blocking geth communications.
Its supposed to be a short battle not a long battle.

Unfortunately, Shep had fallen down below and was busy fighting Saren. So much for that idea.

Fortunately the Geth were busy engaging other citadel patrols

[Asheer_Khan]

jbblue05 wrote...

The DA has secondary weapons.
The council left the Alliance out to dry their cowards.

 Like Ancient Greek poverb says

"Nec Hercules contro plures"  (Even Hercules ass when enemys mass(in free translation))
So was in case of DA which was bombarded by Geth ships from ALL directions and her gunners were too busy to at least try to defend ship than worried what Sovieregin was doing.

To be honest i see now that your hatred toward Council completely blinded you what is somehow sad...

[Zurcior]

jbblue05 wrote...

Your forgetting Sheaprd is an ALliance marine he's on the most advanced warship in the Alliance and he has the full support of the Alliance.

Why in the heck would he want Alien mercenaries on his team. Those aliens don't have the same training as him. Shepard would be better off with Ash/Kaiden and other N7 marines.
The aliens were their for fan service and expanding the story

 It doesn't matter if he's with the Alliance at that point. He's a Spectre. He represents the entire galactic community, not just humanity. Why the heck would he not want capable alien combatants on his side? Why wait for other N7 Marines when s/he has warriors like Wrex?

 Fan service and expanding the story? Whaaa-?

[jbblue05]

Zurcior wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Your forgetting Sheaprd is an ALliance marine he's on the most advanced warship in the Alliance and he has the full support of the Alliance.

Why in the heck would he want Alien mercenaries on his team. Those aliens don't have the same training as him. Shepard would be better off with Ash/Kaiden and other N7 marines.
The aliens were their for fan service and expanding the story

 It doesn't matter if he's with the Alliance at that point. He's a Spectre. He represents the entire galactic community, not just humanity. Why the heck would he not want capable alien combatants on his side? Why wait for other N7 Marines when s/he has warriors like Wrex?

 Fan service and expanding the story? Whaaa-?

You can't be serious Shepard has no idea of their combat capabilities.  With the stakes as high as they are SHepard doesn't have the luxury of  testing their combat capabilities.

You don't see how efficient in combat they are unless you take them in your squad.

Judging by your logic if Conrad had armor with kinetic barriers and a couple of weapons you might as well recruit him.also   

I would have no problem having Garrrus on my team if he was a spectre.

Modifié par jbblue05, 02 février 2011 - 12:26 .

[AkiKishi]

Zurcior wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Your forgetting Sheaprd is an ALliance marine he's on the most advanced warship in the Alliance and he has the full support of the Alliance.

Why in the heck would he want Alien mercenaries on his team. Those aliens don't have the same training as him. Shepard would be better off with Ash/Kaiden and other N7 marines.
The aliens were their for fan service and expanding the story

 It doesn't matter if he's with the Alliance at that point. He's a Spectre. He represents the entire galactic community, not just humanity. Why the heck would he not want capable alien combatants on his side? Why wait for other N7 Marines when s/he has warriors like Wrex?

 Fan service and expanding the story? Whaaa-?

Would I rather have Wrex or Ashley on my fireteam.....

Wrex was the closest thing to a god in ME.

[jbblue05]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

The DA has secondary weapons.
The council left the Alliance out to dry their cowards.

 Like Ancient Greek poverb says

"Nec Hercules contro plures"  (Even Hercules ass when enemys mass(in free translation))
So was in case of DA which was bombarded by Geth ships from ALL directions and her gunners were too busy to at least try to defend ship than worried what Sovieregin was doing.

To be honest i see now that your hatred toward Council completely blinded you what is somehow sad...

The DA has a crew of 10,000 which means lots of engineers.  I'm sure they could make repairs to get their guns back online.  Who knows maybe their guns  were still online.  Its obvious once you saved the Council they were planning on leaving from the start..

I don't hate the Council, they just got wat they deserve.  They refused to let the Alliance help defend the CItadel in the impending attack .  Plus they don't help you clear out the rest of the enemies they just run away, not even waiting for confirmation that SOvereign and the Geth were defeated