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[Hunam]

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.



That's a massive deal breaker for me. What's worse is that EA should know better as this was proposed for Mass Effect 1 PC but thrown out due to unpopularity. I don't know why now 3 years later it's suddenly become 'reasonable' but it's not.



Absolutely no sale from me now.

[HolyMoogle]

Well, there's an internet connection in my house (obviously, since I'm posting...), but not on my own personal computer. Usually when a game requires an online install I just lug it downstairs and hook it up temporarily. So basically EA are saying I'd have to do that every few days with DA2? **** that, what a complete load. I've already ordered my retail version, I don't want a digital distribution (Steam) copy.

Completely atrocious. It's just an ever-so-slightly less invasive version of the Ubisoft one where AC2 would crash if you weren't online ALL THE TIME. Bad move, Bioware. Very bad move.

Thank goodness no DRM is actually functional for more than a few days.

[skuid]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Release Control (does not use securom)
      . It does not install anything to the PC.
      . Sole purpose is to check with a server to validate whether the game release date has passed or not. 
      . It completely removes itself after the game release date has passed. 
      . You will not be able to play until that date has passed.
      . Dates & times are set to the retail street date per country.

So, that means I can't play it until March 11th even if I buy the game on March 10th? because the spanish site of GAME store has the release date set on March 10th and the real release date in Europe is March 11th.
http://www.game.es/f...aspx?SKU=072964
Well at least I will be able to read the manual

[FDrage]

not being happy with that kind of DRM does not mean "lost in the past" ... personally it does not bring my an advantage that it necessary worth it. Granted it doesn't give me yet tooo many disadvantages either. That doesn't make it perfect but only slightly less inconvenient



If you can live with it fine ... just don't try insult people who aren't happy with it or don't see an advantage in that kind of DRM, just so you can "enforce" your arguments and your opinions. If you can live with it then it is fine, just learn as well that other people are of a different opinion which is equally as valid as yours

[Hunam]

As always though. The pirates will have what they want and the paying, loyal customers will have the biggest hassles and inconvenience. It's just frustrating to be treated this way for being a customer.

[HolyMoogle]

^

Indeed. If the publishers are actually offering an inferior product to the pirates, where's the hope? The sad reality is that most people feel no guilt in taking games/movies/whatever off the internet, and offering people a specifically inferior product than the pirates just accelerates that.

[Jonp382]

I think it's all reasonable and good, with maybe one exception:

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

If it's every 90 or more days, this is still perfectly acceptable. If a customer has a gaming PC for computationally demanding or high budget titles, they almost guaranteed have access to internet at some place in time. If it's every 10 or less, that could be an issue for those who do not have immediate access to the internet at home or on their gaming PC. Not a problem for me, and won't stop me from getting the game but I hope this is reconsidered for those with atypical PC gaming setups.

[RGC_Ines]

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.



What if I will not playing DA2 , let's say by 2-3 months ( i.e I will play another game), so I will miss "login check" time? Will I not be able to run game again or something?

[philbo1965uk]

That is the way all the big publishers are doing it now.



It has nothing to do with the big fat red herring of piracy either...despite their paying lipservice to it.



Piracy is not the issue here folks.The game will be hacked within several hours of release and they know it.The stats over the last decade demonstrate that the level has remained static approx 20%.



Without getting into the fact that piracy is not a lost sale..as they don't buy the games anyway.Make it difficult sure , but they don't chase lost causes.



The real reason for locking down the game is to fulfill the easiest agenda...namely extracting the most from the genuine customer.



Unless you've been living in a igloo for the last 5 years....games are locked down so you rely on them for ALL content.Publishers no longer think custom content should be available to you (they don't get anything for it)



Interestingly the release of DA2 will reveal just how contractually obligated Bioware are to the EA moneygrabbing machine..I would be very suprised if modding was still available.

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To answer a few earlier posts....YES you should be able to play the game in 20 years.Not many companies would close down the authentication server without patching the game for standalone.



Legitimate customers should not fear or object to authentication servers....the time to worry is when they seek to enforce it via a Steam subscriber agreement.



Legally you don't own anything ..you rent the software,this is to protect copyright.But it is reasonable to assume as a player you do infact own a standalone game..it's yours forever to enjoy

[Jonp382]

RGC_Ines wrote...

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

What if I will not playing DA2 , let's say by 2-3 months ( i.e I will play another game), so I will miss "login check" time? Will I not be able to run game again or something?

I don't believe there's a set time where you have to activate for the periodic checks. If you stop playing the game for 3 months and load it up again, all you should have to do is activate online again.

Modifié par Jonp382, 01 février 2011 - 01:13 .

[philbo1965uk]

RGC_Ines wrote...

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

What if I will not playing DA2 , let's say by 2-3 months ( i.e I will play another game), so I will miss "login check" time? Will I not be able to run game again or something?

That's correct....unless you comply with the authentication you won't be able to play until you do !

[Cheiron the Centaur]

RGC_Ines wrote...

What if I will not playing DA2 , let's say by 2-3 months ( i.e I will play another game), so I will miss "login check" time? Will I not be able to run game again or something?

I think philbo misunderstood your question? It's not like the game will refuse to start at all, but the first time you start the game again, you will be forced to login and authenticate before you can play.

Modifié par Cheiron the Centaur, 01 février 2011 - 01:24 .

[Velvetmeds]

I can actually tolerate this DRM. Good work

[Mudface67]

Amazing, It's almost like you don't want people to buy your game and are deliberately going out of your way to annoy them. Just about every piece of information you've released about this game has put me off it. For me, DA2 has now gone from 'Day 1' to 'Wait for the reviews' to 'Wait for the reviews and the GOTY version' to 'Wait for the reviews, until the GOTY version is half price and has had the stupid DRM patched out of it'. Thank God for CD Projekt and The Witcher 2.

[philbo1965uk]

Cheiron the Centaur wrote...

RGC_Ines wrote...

What if I will not playing DA2 , let's say by 2-3 months ( i.e I will play another game), so I will miss "login check" time? Will I not be able to run game again or something?

I think philbo misunderstood your question? It's not like the game will refuse to start at all, but the first time you start the game again, you will be forced to login and authenticate before you can play.

.....unless your of the opinion(and by your post you are) having the game load to the menu splash screen and being presented with an authentication pop-up... is Playing !


I understood it perfectly well thanks...and yes, it is like the game will refuse to start at all.

[Clammo]

Eurypterid wrote...

Fernando Melo wrote...


Apologies if I'm not making it clear enough- this system operates essentially just like steam, but with offline mode ON by default.  If you have a trip coming up, just login again before you travel - the clock will reset again, just like steam.

With all due respect, Fernando, this is just exactly the same as what was first proposed for ME1 PC and which prompted such a heated reaction. The only change is the time frame of the recurring checks (and this is obviously just a guess, since you dont have hard info yet on how often they'll be required, but I'm assuming by your comments that it will be longer than the proposed 10 days in ME1 PC).

I have a hard time believing we're back to this kind of DRM, given the outcry against it last time. Maybe enough time has passed that EA thinks people will forget and just not put up as big a protest and outcry as last time? Who knows. But if this is the DRM system the game is shipping with, I'm extremely disappointed and, as much as it pains me to say this, I'll be passing on this title.

Exactly my thoughts, but phrased better and without expletives. That kind of DRM made ME1 a no buy for me, and has just, regrettably, done the same for DA2.

[Ki5met]

Another title for the “maybe when it will hit bargain bin price point” pile (and complete with all DLC released too this time, Dragon Age Ultimate Edition docet), along with pretty much every big-publisher game coming out these days.

More money for companies with good customer practices!

Modifié par Ki5met, 01 février 2011 - 01:37 .

[philbo1965uk]

Mudface67 wrote...

Amazing, It's almost like you don't want people to buy your game and are deliberately going out of your way to annoy them. Just about every piece of information you've released about this game has put me off it. For me, DA2 has now gone from 'Day 1' to 'Wait for the reviews' to 'Wait for the reviews and the GOTY version' to 'Wait for the reviews, until the GOTY version is half price and has had the stupid DRM patched out of it'. Thank God for CD Projekt and The Witcher 2.

It's not done to annoy you...it's to control your gaming experience.

I don't have a problem with authentication servers checking your key legitimacy.To scan for pirated add ons etc.But it ends there for me.

So many are abusing this process to curtail your personal preferences (usually restricted to MP) ..with the 'you should play the game as we intended it' mantra....that's when it becomes annoying

[Bhazor]

Any news whether you can run the game from the disk if you can't go online or how many days it is before you need to check. I agree, for a triple A title this is very lenient and offers a good balance between protection and freedom but there are always going to be people who will have trouble connecting to the internet at times.

[Cheiron the Centaur]

philbo1965uk: clearly you did misunderstand. Carefully re-read the original question.

There is a big difference between 'running' the application/'not starting at all' (yes, loading the menu splash screen and being presented with the authentication pop-up is 'starting') and 'playing'.  Yes, you will still be able to start the application, load the splash screen and authenticate online... no, you will not be able to actually 'play' the game before you have authenticated. Although I believe that we're essentially saying the same thing, your wording in response to the original question could be seen as confusing.

Modifié par Cheiron the Centaur, 01 février 2011 - 02:08 .

[Jonp382]

Bhazor wrote...

Any news whether you can run the game from the disk if you can't go online or how many days it is before you need to check. I agree, for a triple A title this is very lenient and offers a good balance between protection and freedom but there are always going to be people who will have trouble connecting to the internet at times.

I bet that it will be no more than 10 or maybe 15 days between checks. More time would defeat the purpose of regular checks.

[RGC_Ines]

Thank You all for answers. I think I will ratcher buy a Xbox 360 version, so I will not have to cooperate with EA Poland

[TheRealJayDee]

A while back I have decided that I preorder DA2, and I won't cancel it no matter what. Because DA:O was my favourite game of the last years, and because of that BioWare will get this purchase from me, day one. And there are/were quite a lot of things I'm not too excited about so far.



This however comes close to being a deal breaker, even for me. I will live with it, this time. But this trend really annoys me. I've never played a pirated game in my life, and I don't plan on doing so. If protecting games against immediatly after release pirating is worth the crap some of the publishers put their customers through, then be it so. Just don't expect every customer to understand why his neighbour with the cracked game has an overall more pleasant gaming experience.



All I want is to have my game, in a nice box, and the ability to play it forever and ever if I like. DRM, DLC, Steam, I think I'm just getting too old for this modern world of gaming...

[BomimoDK]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

A while back I have decided that I preorder DA2, and I won't cancel it no matter what. Because DA:O was my favourite game of the last years, and because of that BioWare will get this purchase from me, day one. And there are/were quite a lot of things I'm not too excited about so far.

This however comes close to being a deal breaker, even for me. I will live with it, this time. But this trend really annoys me. I've never played a pirated game in my life, and I don't plan on doing so. If protecting games against immediatly after release pirating is worth the crap some of the publishers put their customers through, then be it so. Just don't expect every customer to understand why his neighbour with the cracked game has an overall more pleasant gaming experience.

All I want is to have my game, in a nice box, and the ability to play it forever and ever if I like. DRM, DLC, Steam, I think I'm just getting too old for this modern world of gaming...

Steam's aight. They pride themselves on being unintrusive while you play. This ubisoft aproach is enraging. It is a disgusting way to treat a customer. Who the hell gives them the right to monitor me while i play my game? they can hop and skip if this is how it's going to be. I'm buying this. But if this DRM doesn't stay out of my way like they say it will, i'll not be spending money on EA games again. Sorry Bioware chaps. If i get booted out due to no server connection while playing DA2 i'll be getting a crack and reevaluate my purchases for the future.

It's sad that we'er dropping this on Bioware tho. Can't imagine that they had much of a say in this?

[Jonp382]

Fernando Melo wrote...

aries1001 wrote...
And this info on DRM does apply to EA store as well; I'd guess.

[/b]I'm not completely clear on the question.  If you mean, does this apply to a PC version downloaded via the EA Store, then yes - as mentioned before, this is for any PC version except Steam which uses its own similar system.

Does this mean that Steam also has regular online login checks for offline mode?