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[ankuu]

Hunam wrote...

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

That's a massive deal breaker for me. What's worse is that EA should know better as this was proposed for Mass Effect 1 PC but thrown out due to unpopularity. I don't know why now 3 years later it's suddenly become 'reasonable' but it's not.

Absolutely no sale from me now.

*snips*

Yeah you are rite.

V

Modifié par ankuu, 01 février 2011 - 04:21 .

[Jonp382]

ankuu wrote...

*SNIP*

It's not a good idea to discuss cracking in any form on a developer's site.

Modifié par Jonp382, 01 février 2011 - 03:02 .

[Strikethief]

Incredibly disappointed retail DA2 will have regular-check DRM. I don't mind release date check and initial activation, but as a gamer without constant access to internet this affects me, and many others. Having paid for a game, I'm strongly against you deciding whether I can play it or not.



This may sound like I think PC gamers are entitled, but I don't want to convey that at all. My opinions on DRM have always been based on reasonableness. DA was a highly successful game on PC. Of course it was pirated, and I guess you have to adapt every year with shifting forms of DRM to try to protect your product, but regular online checks will do nothing but inconvenience legitimate owners.



Who is deciding the DRM of DA2 - EA or Bioware? I'd like to communicate these thoughts but to the right party.

[StingingVelvet]

It upsets me that so many people are willing to accept this kind of DRM because it has no disc check. A disc check requires nothing but a computer and the disc, EA can never take your game away. When you do an online check it's not just the internet you need guys, it's the particular server that game contacts, which will not be around forever.

I am somewhat satiated by Fernando saying there are plans in place for when that server goes down, but that doesn't mean those plans will be enacted. When you rely on a corporation to say "yes you can play" you are putting the future of your software at risk whereas a disc-check or DRM free version will last forever, barring fire or flood (and even then you can make backups). I look at all my old Spectrum Holobyte, Fox Interactive, Sierra and Broadbound Software games and I wonder how many of them would be playable out of the box if they had online activations, since all those companies are dead.

All that said, and without breaking any rules hopefully, I will say that the PC is an open platform and DRM that is never patched out won't be too much of a concern, if you get my meaning. That's what makes this all the more annoying though, why bother legitimate paying customers with this stuff when it does absolutely nothing? They won't even get a few days out of it for a new DRM scheme because the Steam version will use standard Steam DRM which pirates will crack in 10 minutes. WHAT. IS. THE. POINT? Why do I have to worry about this and go through all this when pirates don't?

And none of the Bioware guys will ever answer that question, I bet, because there is no satisfactory answer.

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 01 février 2011 - 03:06 .

[Snelle Jaap]

Hunam wrote...

As always though. The pirates will have what they want and the paying, loyal customers will have the biggest hassles and inconvenience. It's just frustrating to be treated this way for being a customer.

Your post is made of win.

My preorder cancel button is getting larger everyday ....pfff i do remeber saying the SAME damn thing on DRM for ME 
but i will wait ... but not for ever

EA/BW : Check are you a pirate ....no 

Afew days later.

Check iam a pirate ....NO
Afew days later.
Check iam a pirate ....NOOOO
Afew days later.
Check iam a pirate ........ ect ect

THANKS FOR HAVING FATE IN A PAYING CUSTOMER !!!
:(

also : Pirates will love this. Even more reason to pirate this game ....just #$%! it 

Modifié par Snelle Jaap, 01 février 2011 - 03:18 .

[Jonp382]

One solution consumers might find less inconveniencing: have 1 to 3 checks after installation or release, and then never require them again.

[Dimble ThriceFoon]

"- Each install requires logging in to your EA account to verify game ownership and if you are a member of these forums, you have an EA account."



Disappointing, I liked the old system where there was zero dependence on the internet to play the disk copy, and the EA account was used to drip-feed authenticated dlc for those who felt they had to have it.



this guy said it best:



http://jedibeeftrix....ft-did-instead/



I wish Bio had not changed this policy for DA2, and presumably the same will happen with ME3?

[IRMcGhee]

It's nowhere near as bad as some of Ubisoft's recent DRM systems. I haven't bought several of their games which would otherwise have been must-haves for me (newest SC, AC, SH series) due to the permanent connection required (my connection's not reliable enough).



I'd have preferred a single authentication check on install or a disc check, but I can live with periodic authentications. I usually log in at least once a week to allow character and screenshot updates anyway, so it's hardly going to make any difference to me.



I can sympathise with people who don't have permanent internet access and It's not really fair that they might have to give DA2 a miss due to the DRM. I couldn't get an internet connection at my last house and I had to miss out on any number of games, although most types of DRM at least allowed me to authenticate offline or hook up my PC to a friend's modem if it was once only authentication.

[voteDC]

All I can really do is echo the thoughts of other posters and say that I am upset with this DRM scheme.

As has been said it is only the genuine paying customers this is going to affect, the pirates will not have to put up with any of this.

It feels as if I am getting a worse version of the product and the people who steal the game are going to get a better, hastle free, version.

If it were not too late to get the Signature edition for the 360 I think I'd have switched to that version. It may cost more but at least I'd not be required to have an internet connection.

Modifié par voteDC, 01 février 2011 - 03:21 .

[N3n]

StingingVelvet wrote...

All that said, and without breaking any rules hopefully, I will say that the PC is an open platform and DRM that is never patched out won't be too much of a concern, if you get my meaning. That's what makes this all the more annoying though, why bother legitimate paying customers with this stuff when it does absolutely nothing? They won't even get a few days out of it for a new DRM scheme because the Steam version will use standard Steam DRM which pirates will crack in 10 minutes. WHAT. IS. THE. POINT? Why do I have to worry about this and go through all this when pirates don't?

Agreed

They should have left cd check for main game and on-line authentication for dlc like they did for DA:O. Or they could put on-line authentication only once for main game and dlc install and that's it , no periodic checks because if I passed on-line check on install what is the point of periodic checks??

[Pinstripe666]

Question: DA2 needs to be reactivated every few days, does the Disc need to be in the drive for this?

[Leoroc]

I am concerned about the timelock aspect. I am going to do midnight release for this game (first time in my life) and will be pissed if I get home and it goes by cst or pst instead of eastern time

[Reaverwind]

N3n wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

All that said, and without breaking any rules hopefully, I will say that the PC is an open platform and DRM that is never patched out won't be too much of a concern, if you get my meaning. That's what makes this all the more annoying though, why bother legitimate paying customers with this stuff when it does absolutely nothing? They won't even get a few days out of it for a new DRM scheme because the Steam version will use standard Steam DRM which pirates will crack in 10 minutes. WHAT. IS. THE. POINT? Why do I have to worry about this and go through all this when pirates don't?

Agreed

They should have left cd check for main game and on-line authentication for dlc like they did for DA:O. Or they could put on-line authentication only once for main game and dlc install and that's it , no periodic checks because if I passed on-line check on install what is the point of periodic checks??

That one baffles me. Clearly, if you have to authenticate when you first install it, you have purchased the game. It's though Bioware believes its customers intend to pirate after obtaining a legitimate copy.

[StingingVelvet]

Leoroc wrote...

I am concerned about the timelock aspect. I am going to do midnight release for this game (first time in my life) and will be pissed if I get home and it goes by cst or pst instead of eastern time

I did a midnight release for Civilization 5 and then had to wait until 10AM before I could play it.  Quite annoying.

[Jonp382]

Reaverwind wrote...

N3n wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

All that said, and without breaking any rules hopefully, I will say that the PC is an open platform and DRM that is never patched out won't be too much of a concern, if you get my meaning. That's what makes this all the more annoying though, why bother legitimate paying customers with this stuff when it does absolutely nothing? They won't even get a few days out of it for a new DRM scheme because the Steam version will use standard Steam DRM which pirates will crack in 10 minutes. WHAT. IS. THE. POINT? Why do I have to worry about this and go through all this when pirates don't?

Agreed

They should have left cd check for main game and on-line authentication for dlc like they did for DA:O. Or they could put on-line authentication only once for main game and dlc install and that's it , no periodic checks because if I passed on-line check on install what is the point of periodic checks??

That one baffles me. Clearly, if you have to authenticate when you first install it, you have purchased the game. It's though Bioware believes its customers intend to pirate after obtaining a legitimate copy.

I guess it's an attempt at preventing customers from installing on a bunch of friend's computers and letting them play at the same time. But honestly, I don't see how it could be effective in anyway either, unless you required your users to login every day.

[N3n]

Jonp382 wrote

I guess it's an attempt at preventing customers from installing on a bunch of friend's computers and letting them play at the same time. But honestly, I don't see how it could be effective in anyway either, unless you required your users to login every day.

Well it's a lame excuse. They could use AC2 drm for that reason.  And we all now what will happen on day 1.

[StingingVelvet]

Jonp382 wrote...

That one baffles me. Clearly, if you have to authenticate when you first install it, you have purchased the game. It's though Bioware believes its customers intend to pirate after obtaining a legitimate copy.

And again, hopefuly not breaking the rules, this kind of DRM will drive them to that more than anything.  Why put up with it?  As a Bioware supporter who will surely purchase the game, why should I put up with it when I can just end the hassle with a quick download?  Do they think I have a moral problem with that when I already bought the game for $60?  I assure you I don't have a moral problem with playing the game I bought.

It's pointless customer annoyance that will either continually restrict paying customers or send them to the "dark side" to get rid of the annoyance, all the while pirates and file-sharers get DRM free copies to play as they like.

So stupid.

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 01 février 2011 - 03:50 .

[Voidlight]

I think it's sad to see people cancelling their preorders because of this DRM, but I know I would be doing the same if I didn't have a stable internet connection. The irony is you need a decent internet connection to get the PC version that doesn't have periodic checks.

This isn't a major dealbreaker for me like it might have been a couple of years ago, but I can only hope BioWare releases a patch once the initial rush is over.

philbo1965uk wrote...

Legally you don't own anything ..you rent the software,this is to protect copyright.But it is reasonable to assume as a player you do infact own a standalone game..it's yours forever to enjoy

If I buy a book, the words within it may be the intellectual property of the author (and thus protected by copyright law), but the book itself is mine to do with as I please.

So as far as I'm concerned a game's EULA just licences me to install and use the IP that's stored on the disc. Otherwise the disc itself should be my property. If EA wants to tell me that my Dragon Age 2 disc is not my property, I invite them to come round my house and watch me snap it in half.

[Leoroc]

StingingVelvet wrote...

Leoroc wrote...

I am concerned about the timelock aspect. I am going to do midnight release for this game (first time in my life) and will be pissed if I get home and it goes by cst or pst instead of eastern time

I did a midnight release for Civilization 5 and then had to wait until 10AM before I could play it.  Quite annoying.

i am taking the 11th off. that would infuriate me if i had to wait till 10am.

[valiala]

Inarborat wrote...

DRM doesn't work. When will publishers learn...

Never, especially EA.

[Ryzaki]

Leoroc wrote...

I am concerned about the timelock aspect. I am going to do midnight release for this game (first time in my life) and will be pissed if I get home and it goes by cst or pst instead of eastern time

I just realized this.

Please tell me it's not going by Edmonton time. That'll ****** me off.

[ejoslin]

This type of DRM does encourage piracy. Or it at least encourages people to start using cracks, even if they purchase the game itself. Why not something like, well, a disk check and then if there is no disk, then require the online authentication every few days? This would make both the people who hate disk checks happy, and the ones who don't have stable internet or who travel a lot happy as well.

for people who compare it with outdated hardware -- that's not the same thing at all. Internet access is not required to play a single player game, and furthermore, not having internet access does not diminish the game (as would building a game that would run on a 10 year old system would).

There will be cracked and pirated copies available the day after the game is released, if not sooner. And if a middle aged housewife like me knows where they will be, then EVERYONE does. Making the game hard to almost impossible to play because of restrictive DRM in the legal copies for many people is a mistake.

Edit: While I am definitely not against DRM, I think a one-time authentication is plenty.  Allow it on a limited number of machines (even if that limited number is 1 or 2), and then if you want to install it on a different machine, deauthenticate it during the uninstallation.  yes, there will be people who figure out how to keep it installed, but that is no different than people who figure out how to crack the game to begin with.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 février 2011 - 04:11 .

[N3n]

Inarborat wrote...

DRM doesn't work. When will publishers learn...

Who knows maybe one day. Until then they will treat us paying customers like thieves.
It seems like we are all pirates unless proven otherwise. This is so sad.

[N3n]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: While I am definitely not against DRM, I think a one-time authentication is plenty.  Allow it on a limited number of machines (even if that limited number is 1 or 2), and then if you want to install it on a different machine, deauthenticate it during the uninstallation.  yes, there will be people who figure out how to keep it installed, but that is no different than people who figure out how to crack the game to begin with.  

Wishful thinking.