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StingingVelvet wrote...
TwistedComplex wrote...
I really don't care if a game has DRM or not
I have the accommodations of someone living in the 21st century (computer and internet) so NEITHER of them hassle me
You left out a requirement:
1) Computer
2) Internet
3) Working EA server
Eurypterid wrote...
TwistedComplex wrote...
N3n wrote...
Inarborat wrote...
DRM doesn't work. When will publishers learn...
Who knows maybe one day. Until then they will treat us paying customers like thieves.
That's incredibly misleading
That's like saying wal-mart treats customers like theives cause they use scanners on the enterances and exits to protect their investment
You need proof you bought something at a store, likewise you need proof you bought DA2
That's incredibly misleading. Wal-mart doesn't phone you every few days to demand proof you bought your merchandise. I have proof I nought my games. The proof is the discs, manuals, boxes, and receipts. I shouldn't be required to connect to a server every few days to keep proving it.TwistedComplex wrote...
Actually my anology was correct
Every time you go to wal-mart, you're scanned
Every so often when you play DA2, you're scanned
Really? You're scanned every time you go into Wal-mart to be sure you're the guy that actually bought that copy of ? Your analogy is completely off the mark.
This scheme, IMO, is just 'feature creep'. I'm surprised how many people are saying "Hey, no big deal", given the number that were upset about ME1's proposed DRM, which is almost identical to this. Accept this and what happens for the next game? On-line checks every 2 days or every day? Then what about the next game? Welcome to Ubisoft's always on-line requirement. No thanks. I draw the line here.
ejoslin wrote...
TwistedComplex wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I don't get how you jump to THAT conclusion. I said nothing of the sort and suggested a disk check as an alternative to the online authentication thing happening over and over.
DRM does not keep their investment secure. It encourages piracy.
Well if that's the case why not get rid of DRM altogether?
Your posts are absolutely schizophrenic
"DRM hurts the customer!"
"Just have this kind of DRM"
"DRM does nothing!"
"Have a disk check as DRM"
"DRM encourages pirating!"
Can you make up your friggin mind please?
Talk about twisting by leaving out just about everything I said. DRM does encourage piracy, but if a producer insists on using it, they should use a type of DRM that does not hurt the paying customer.
So yes, DRM encourages piracy and I explained why -- when the DRM actually prevents someone from playing a game or damages their games, people who want to play the game are encouraged to get it illegally, even people who would normally buy the game legally. However, a simple form that prevents a couple of kids from sharing a game and using it at the same time can be done simply with a disk check.
Prosthetics511 wrote...
This only works if the whole game in general supports steamworks, I.E. forcing you to register it through Steam. Only a few companies have done that with certain games. RUSE, Call of Duty Black Ops, Fallout NV, Mafia II, to name a few. EA hasn't done it yet to date, so only Steam purchases are integrated into Steam.
ejoslin wrote...
Talk about twisting by leaving out just about everything I said. DRM does encourage piracy, but if a producer insists on using it, they should use a type of DRM that does not hurt the paying customer.
So yes, DRM encourages piracy and I explained why -- when the DRM actually prevents someone from playing a game or damages their games, people who want to play the game are encouraged to get it illegally, even people who would normally buy the game legally. However, a simple form that prevents a couple of kids from sharing a game and using it at the same time can be done simply with a disk check.
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Ryzaki wrote...
Prosthetics511 wrote...
This
only works if the whole game in general supports steamworks, I.E.
forcing you to register it through Steam. Only a few companies have
done that with certain games. RUSE, Call of Duty Black Ops, Fallout NV,
Mafia II, to name a few. EA hasn't done it yet to date, so only Steam
purchases are integrated into Steam.
Wow. Making arguements when you didn't even bother to read the first post. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]
StingingVelvet wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
Talk about twisting by leaving out just about everything I said. DRM does encourage piracy, but if a producer insists on using it, they should use a type of DRM that does not hurt the paying customer.
So yes, DRM encourages piracy and I explained why -- when the DRM actually prevents someone from playing a game or damages their games, people who want to play the game are encouraged to get it illegally, even people who would normally buy the game legally. However, a simple form that prevents a couple of kids from sharing a game and using it at the same time can be done simply with a disk check.
Exxxaaaaccccttttlllllyyyy.
And it should be mentioned, again not trying to break the rules, that recently US courts have ruled that circumventing DRM in order to make backups or ensure full functionality of your purchase is a-okay.
Modifié par Prosthetics511, 01 février 2011 - 05:02 .
Chris Priestly wrote...
- Each install requires logging in to your EA account to verify game ownership and if you are a member of these forums, you have an EA account.
- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.
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Modifié par kgersen, 01 février 2011 - 05:03 .
Prosthetics511 wrote...
I'll just leave these here:
http://kotaku.com/50...lls-are-pirated
http://kotaku.com/55...-a-charity-game
My initial post on the matter said it was Worms or something, my mistake, but it just shows what happens if there is no DRM. Therefore an argument that no DRM is better is invalid.
Prosthetics511 wrote...
I'll just leave these here:
http://kotaku.com/50...lls-are-pirated
http://kotaku.com/55...-a-charity-game
StingingVelvet wrote...
You got a magic post that proves DRM prevents piracy in there? I doubt it. DRM does not work. Again: DRM does not work, it does not stop piracy.
If It did this would be a different debate. It doesn't.
StingingVelvet wrote...
Prosthetics511 wrote...
I'll just leave these here:
http://kotaku.com/50...lls-are-pirated
http://kotaku.com/55...-a-charity-game
My initial post on the matter said it was Worms or something, my mistake, but it just shows what happens if there is no DRM. Therefore an argument that no DRM is better is invalid.
You got a magic post that proves DRM prevents piracy in there? I doubt it. DRM does not work. Again: DRM does not work, it does not stop piracy.
If It did this would be a different debate. It doesn't.
TwistedComplex wrote...
Prosthetics511 wrote...
I'll just leave these here:
http://kotaku.com/50...lls-are-pirated
http://kotaku.com/55...-a-charity-game
That gave me a good laugh
No wonder companies treat humans like theives. Gamers are as greedy as the company themselves
Yes, if people could download a car, they WOULD
Modifié par Prosthetics511, 01 février 2011 - 05:06 .
TwistedComplex wrote...
Disk checks don't work
I can make a mounted ISO LEGALLY in less than a minute
Modifié par ejoslin, 01 février 2011 - 05:14 .
Prosthetics511 wrote...
I'll just leave these here:
http://kotaku.com/50...lls-are-pirated
http://kotaku.com/55...-a-charity-game
My initial post on the matter said it was Worms or something, my mistake, but it just shows what happens if there is no DRM. Therefore an argument that no DRM is better is invalid.
People will pirate regarless of whether or not it has DRM, its just NO DRM whatsoever just opens the realm to so many other people to pirate.
Modifié par Eurypterid, 01 février 2011 - 05:09 .
Prosthetics511 wrote...
I'm not saying DRM prevents piracy, so stop assuming that. What I'm saying is that everyone here seems to be arguing suggesting that there be no DRM. No DRM means there will be many...many more pirates since rather than minor protection, there is none.
Prosthetics511 wrote...
So again, no DRM at all is just stupid.
Eurypterid wrote...
Prosthetics511 wrote...
I'll just leave these here:
http://kotaku.com/50...lls-are-pirated
http://kotaku.com/55...-a-charity-game
My initial post on the matter said it was Worms or something, my mistake, but it just shows what happens if there is no DRM. Therefore an argument that no DRM is better is invalid.
People will pirate regarless of whether or not it has DRM, its just NO DRM whatsoever just opens the realm to so many other people to pirate.
You're conveniently overlooking the fact that 2dBoy (the makers of World of Goo) said the piracy rate was almost exactly what they'd have expected even if they had used DRM.
No one is saying no DRM = no piracy (at least, i don't think anyone is that naive). But DRM doesn't reduce it at all.
*edit* spelling.
TwistedComplex wrote...
And yet to this day the Dead Space 2 crack doesn't work
Hmm
Modifié par N3n, 01 février 2011 - 05:14 .
TwistedComplex wrote...
And yet to this day the Dead Space 2 crack doesn't work
Hmm
Modifié par Nerevar-as, 01 février 2011 - 05:13 .
RegardlessN3n wrote...
TwistedComplex wrote...
And yet to this day the Dead Space 2 crack doesn't work
Hmm
check again
Modifié par TwistedComplex, 01 février 2011 - 05:14 .
Nerevar-as wrote...
TwistedComplex wrote...
And yet to this day the Dead Space 2 crack doesn't work
Hmm
You are assuming that because of that pirates will go and buy the game rather than wait a bit more or pirate another game.
I don´t think so.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 février 2011 - 05:14 .
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