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[Deadmac]

What is ironic by the whole 'you must be connected for random check-ins' requirement is that more and more people are spending their time offline. People are becoming more concerned with privacy and building offline relationships; thus, they are becoming disillusioned by the internet. It is kind of weird. Lol...

If BioWare adapted the DRM system in which Adobe CS uses, I would have no problem with calling into their company every so often.

Welcome to Web 3.0... Even though game companies are adapting the online DRM requirements, people have started to become disenfranchised with the internet in general. We are currently living within a period of time, which both psychologists and regular folks are adapting the philosophy 'unplug for good mental health and privacy'. Lol...

Looks like game companies are missing this new movement.

When it comes to how much time I spend online, I usually login for roughly ten hours a week. If I have a particular problem with software and hardware, I will log into the internet a little bit more. After I have solved my issues, I will logout for days on end. I will sign-in once a week to update a client's site, or I will send them proofs for a project. That is pretty much all I do.

Modifié par Deadmac, 01 février 2011 - 06:33 .

[AlanC9]

Deadmac wrote...

I own two computers. When I buy a new system, I turn my old one into an internet system. Its a continuous cycle. My latest and up to date system will remain offline for at least five to six years. Since I grew up during the computer pioneer era (1980s/1990s), I am extremely cautious when it comes to personal information. Once I get a new computer to replace the current one (six years from now), I will replace the current internet computer with the one I bought a few weeks ago.

If anyone were to hack into this system, they would only find an operating system. All other information is stored on a stand-alone system. When a piece of software requires activation by phone or internet, I call into the company to obtain my activation codes.

I have been doing this for 15 years.

Itals mine. It doesn't seem like you really think you're being rational here, just that you've been doing this for a while. And are you similarly... cautious... with personal information in other aspects of your life? For instance, are all your transactions in cash?

[RGC_Ines]

Ok one more question...Devs explain me please, why I will have to prove my rights to play a game I bought every X days, if during first instalation proces I proved, that Im "legal" game owner? What's the point of this, becouse seriously I can't understand it...

[StingingVelvet]

Deadmac wrote...

What is ironic by the whole 'you must be connected for random check-ins' requirement is that more and more people are spending their time offline. People are becoming more concerned with privacy and building offline relationships; thus, they are becoming disillusioned by the internet. It is kind of weird. Lol...

If BioWare adapted the DRM system in which Adobe CS uses, I would have no problem with calling into their company every so often.

Welcome to Web 3.0... Even though game companies are adapting the online DRM requirements, people have started to become disenfranchised with the internet in general. We are currently living within a period of time, which both psychologists and regular folks are adapting the philosophy 'unplug for good mental health and privacy'. Lol...

Looks like game companies are missing this new movement.

When it comes to how much time I spend online, I usually login for roughly ten hours a week. If I have a particular problem with software and hardware, I will log into the internet a little bit more. After I have solved my issues, I will logout for days on end.

Yes, I have been wanting to "unplug" for a while now.  The only thing stopping me from having my desktop be offline most of the time is this silly game DRM schemes.

[Deadmac]

AlanC9 wrote...
Itals mine. It doesn't seem like you really think you're being rational here, just that you've been doing this for a while. And are you similarly... cautious... with personal information in other aspects of your life? For instance, are all your transactions in cash?

Actually, 99.9% of my transactions are in cash. When it comes to the .1%, my college loan is paid to the government through an account. All transactions are offline. Even though I own a website, the regestration information is all done by phone. Everything is secured.

[ThrakathCZ]

"game will require a login check after a select period of days" ?



I will not give You my money for this !



No thanks !



Preorder canceled!

[Bryy_Miller]

ThrakathCZ wrote...

"game will require a login check after a select period of days" ?

I will not give You my money for this !

No thanks !

Preorder canceled!

But you are already logged in.

[Reaverwind]

TwistedComplex wrote...

N3n wrote...

Inarborat wrote...

DRM doesn't work. When will publishers learn...

Who knows maybe one day. Until then they will treat us paying customers like thieves.

That's incredibly misleading

That's like saying wal-mart treats customers like theives cause they use scanners on the enterances and exits to protect their investment

You need proof you bought something at a store, likewise you need proof you bought DA2

Poor analogy. Walmart does not send police to your house on a periodic basis to ensure your purchases are still legit, nor does it arbitrarily decide you're no longer entitled to those purchases.

[Creature 1]

I liked DA:O. My reaction to this news: kthxbai.

[AlanC9]

Deadmac wrote...

What is ironic by the whole 'you must be connected for random check-ins' requirement is that more and more people are spending their time offline. People are becoming more concerned with privacy and building offline relationships; thus, they are becoming disillusioned by the internet. It is kind of weird. Lol...

Could you source that?

[AlanC9]

Deadmac wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Itals mine. It doesn't seem like you really think you're being rational here, just that you've been doing this for a while. And are you similarly... cautious... with personal information in other aspects of your life? For instance, are all your transactions in cash?

Actually, 99.9% of my transactions are in cash. When it comes to the .1%, my college loan is paid to the government through an account. All transactions are offline. Even though I own a website, the regestration information is all done by phone. Everything is secured.

Well, your belief system is coherent, though I'm still not convinced of its rationality. OTOH, you didn't ask for anyone's opinion of it.

[bzombo]

while i can understand that there are people upset with the drm, i think that compared to most drm systems this is pretty reasonable. the % of gamers playing on the pc without internet is small. i feel for them, but it is small. no matter what drm is used, someone will not like it. my pc has been online 24/7 for about 5-6 years now, so maybe my perspective is a bit clouded by that. still, i think it is pretty fair.

Modifié par bzombo, 01 février 2011 - 06:45 .

[Deadmac]

StingingVelvet wrote...
Yes, I have been wanting to "unplug" for a while now.  The only thing stopping me from having my desktop be offline most of the time is this silly game DRM schemes.

See... You are like myself and many-many others. You see the wisdom in building offline healthy relationships, and you also hold your privacy close to your heart. Outside of this one forum, I don't have an account on any other social network. No Facebook... No Twitter... Nothing.

When it comes to the dlc for "Dragon Age: Origins", I had no other options but to sign-up for an account. As a result of having issues with the game, I have been visiting frequently looking for a solution. Eventually, I will just fade back into offline reality, and no one will have known I was here.

[StingingVelvet]

bzombo wrote...

while i can understand that there are people upset with the drm, i think that compared to most drm systems this is pretty reasonable. the % of gamers playing on the pc without internet is small. i feel for them, but it is small. no matter what drm is used, someone will not like it. my pc has been online 24/7 for about 5-6 years now, so maybe my perspective is a bit clouded by that. still, i think it is pretty fair.

It's not the need for internet that is the problem, I wish you and others would stop missing that point.  Not attacking you at all, I am just saying there is much more to it than that...

The internet itself does not magically activate Dragon Age 2, EA servers do.  EA server access is strictly dependent on them keeping it running, still existing as a company and allowing me to access it.  In short the company controls your game access, rather than yourself, which fundementally on a principle level I disagree with.

[Leoroc]

I understand the rage. I don't like drm of any sort but a few things:



1 - don't blame the devs this is guaranteed to have come from EA not BW.



2 - if you buy from steam you can play in offline mode with no calls home ever. The steam 'drm' relies on the fact that you won't be spreading out your username/password to the world for people to download the game with your account.



3 - I still want an answer about launch day access.

[customwinternights]

Interesting to see that EA/Bioware did the additional steps to have both a Steam-only Steamworks version and a regular retail one.

[StingingVelvet]

Leoroc wrote...

2 - if you buy from steam you can play in offline mode with no calls home ever. The steam 'drm' relies on the fact that you won't be spreading out your username/password to the world for people to download the game with your account.

Even if Steam's offline mode does work forever it still requires activation at installation, and backups still need to activate in order to work.  Steam is not DRM-free.

[QuentaSilmarillion]

Sounds great to me!

[Seifz]

Look, the arguments for and against DRM have been hashed plenty of times. There are still legitimate questions that we need answered.



1. How many days between calls?

2. Precisely what DRM is installed if it's not SecuROM?

3. Will sunset provisions be included in the EULA so that they're guaranteed to us?

4. What information is being collected and transmitted to EA to identify which PC I'm using for the 5/24 rule?



I can't imagine buying the game without knowing the answers to these questions. That seems insane.

[uglor808]

i will cancel my preorder and maybe buy it when it is for sale at a discount price. although my household has fast internet (cable), my gaming pc is connected via wireless network and connection is flakey. sometimes i can go for days without losing connection, and sometimes i lose connection three or more times a day. i know, the DRM "technically" won't require a constant connection, but c'mon, not only do have to worry about my crappy wireless network's stability, but also EA's and my service provider's servers also! my brother will also cancel his order. he lives somewhere where there is no option for broadband connection so he gets his internet fix via his iphone/cellphone provider and computer at work. a single one time activation would have been doable for him since my parents live on the same island as him (we live in Hawaii, but different islands) so he can just throw his gaming rig into his jeep and drive 40 miles to our parents house and connect it to their broadband connection. I'm sorely disappointed in Bioware. this type of thing will contribute to the decline of PC Gaming.

[Deadmac]

AlanC9 wrote...
Well, your belief system is coherent, though I'm still not convinced of its rationality. OTOH, you didn't ask for anyone's opinion of it.

Nature of Web 2.0... Everyone has an opinion. Lol...

Remember, since I will never-ever know anyone here in real life, don't take my cold online nature as a sign that I do not like you. When companies create and open online forums for consumers, they are to be used for 'self-help' and 'ranting' purposes. Raving fans think 'everyone' should love 'everything' that embodies BioWare. As you can tell from many-many people who have issues with the DRM, the world is made up of diverse sets of  personalitites. Everyone's rants, raves, critisim, and concernes are allowed on these type of sites.

Sure, BioWare is only protecting their investments; however, the DRM is being interpreted as a means to 'control' the consumer. As a result of many-many software theives, everyone else who follows the rules gets screwed. What about my privacy? Why do I have to let BioWare know that I bought their product? I don't want BioWare to know me specifically. I just want to be an unknown consumer who goes about life without being a number in a database.

Modifié par Deadmac, 01 février 2011 - 07:03 .

[ejoslin]

StingingVelvet wrote...

bzombo wrote...

while i can understand that there are people upset with the drm, i think that compared to most drm systems this is pretty reasonable. the % of gamers playing on the pc without internet is small. i feel for them, but it is small. no matter what drm is used, someone will not like it. my pc has been online 24/7 for about 5-6 years now, so maybe my perspective is a bit clouded by that. still, i think it is pretty fair.

It's not the need for internet that is the problem, I wish you and others would stop missing that point.  Not attacking you at all, I am just saying there is much more to it than that...

The internet itself does not magically activate Dragon Age 2, EA servers do.  EA server access is strictly dependent on them keeping it running, still existing as a company and allowing me to access it.  In short the company controls your game access, rather than yourself, which fundementally on a principle level I disagree with.

On-line authentication of DLCs broke more than one of my DAO games.  All my feelings about DRM aside, this alone made me cancel my Amazon preorder.

I cannot be the only person who had stuff from the warden keep chest end up being inaccessible and Shale ending up a mute statue in camp due to my DLC unauthenticating and then reauthenticating and me playing for a bit and then realizing something was wrong -- AFTER all my autosaves have been written over.  

I also can't be the only person whose internet goes down sometimes, and who travels occasionally. I bought the game, I should be able to play it, even when my ISP is being ass and even when I'm in a hotel and don't want to pay $20 for internet access.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 février 2011 - 07:04 .

[StingingVelvet]

ejoslin wrote...

On-line authentication of DLCs broke more than one of my DAO games.  All my feelings about DRM aside, this alone made me cancel my Amazon preorder -- knowing that my game can be broken.

I cannot be the only person who had stuff from the warden keep chest end up being inaccessible and Shale ending up a mute statue in camp due to my DLC unauthenticating and then reauthenticating and me playing for a bit and then realizing something was wrong -- AFTER all my autosaves have been written over.  

I also can't be the only person whose internet goes down sometimes, and who travels occasionally. I bought the game, I should be able to play it, even when my ISP is being ass and even when I'm in a hotel and don't want to pay $20 for internet access.

Yeah, my Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 games both refused to load a few times because the saved games included DLC that "was not authenticated" even though I had authenticated it many times before.  It ended up of course that the EA servers were down, or there were other connection issues.

Now the whole game might not work.  Great!

[kgersen]

 

Seifz wrote...
 3. Will sunset provisions be included in the EULA so that they're guaranteed to us?

 
 I have yet to see a single games having this sort of clause appearing in the EULA (none of the online activation using EA games ever had it including Mass Effect and AFAIK Dead Space 2), usually it's the opposite with a clause saying that they can cut the activation server anytime they want for whatever reasons.

[Leoroc]

StingingVelvet wrote...

Leoroc wrote...

2 - if you buy from steam you can play in offline mode with no calls home ever. The steam 'drm' relies on the fact that you won't be spreading out your username/password to the world for people to download the game with your account.

Even if Steam's offline mode does work forever it still requires activation at installation, and backups still need to activate in order to work.  Steam is not DRM-free.

people arenst upset about activating on install they are upset about the calls home every few days 9i am sure some donst want any calls home but that minority can just crack it0