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[Relshar]

At least it uninstalls itself once it verifies the game and code. Not like the rubbish Ubisoft put on the discs. Each time I uninstall one of their DRM games I end up having to reinstall windows when I want to play it again. I now refuse to buy their games.

[kgersen]

Leoroc wrote...
people arenst upset about activating on install they are upset about the calls home every few days 9i am sure some donst want any calls home but that minority can just crack it0

Well I am upset about the online activation... the calls home every few day is just "icing on the cake".

But honestly if I had to choose between calls home every few day and Steam I would probably choose the former.

[LadyKarrakaz]

This DRM is utterly stupid! My ISP often has problems, and I'm not always connected to the internet. And after that, they wonder why there are people simply hacking the games?

I'm really thinking about cancelling my signature edition and buy a digital version. But really, this s*cks.

[Strikethief]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Actually my anology was correct

Every time you go to wal-mart, you're scanned

Every so often when you play DA2, you're scanned

Did you buy Wal-Mart?

Did i buy EA?

No i bought a product of theirs

Did i buy Wal-Marts?

No i bought a product of theirs

I was scanned for each

Do Walmart come to your house every week and check you paid for the spaghetti in your cupboard?

[StingingVelvet]

Leoroc wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

Leoroc wrote...

2 - if you buy from steam you can play in offline mode with no calls home ever. The steam 'drm' relies on the fact that you won't be spreading out your username/password to the world for people to download the game with your account.

Even if Steam's offline mode does work forever it still requires activation at installation, and backups still need to activate in order to work.  Steam is not DRM-free.

people arenst upset about activating on install they are upset about the calls home every few days 9i am sure some donst want any calls home but that minority can just crack it0

Yeah, for those who don't mind activating at install and not getting packaging or the Signature Edition then the Steam version is the way to go, assuming offline mode does work forever.  I just thought your post was a little vague so I wanted to clarify the Steam version does have DRM that needs activation and ties your purchase to a single account.

I can't bluntly say what I will do, but suffice it to say I am buying the disc version and not worrying about the DRM because the PC is an open platform.

[bzombo]

my thoughts on this after reading through more of this thread:

1. drm sucks, but it's here to stay. if there was zero benefit to drm, companies would scrap it. their bottom line is their profit, not making buyers suffer, so on some level it works.

2. dao was a disc check, and people complained about that. they complained about me1 drm. people will complain about any kind of drm. if you have an internet connection, just relax. if not, then i feel for you. maybe instead of screaming at ea you should be screaming at the pirates who download new release games and ruin it for you.

[Deadmac]

Leoroc wrote...
people arenst upset about activating on install they are upset about the calls home every few days 9i am sure some don't want any calls home but that minority can just crack it0

When 'Adobe Creative Suite' started to use the online and phone activation, I asked the company why the numbers rotate with each install. I was told that the number lets them know: (1) the type of operating system you use, (2) what type of 'other' software you have installed, and (3) how many times you install the software.

My questions were - Why do I want them to know all that information? How do I protect my privacy from BioWare, Adobe, Quark, etc...?

Again, I don't mind calling to register the game through a phone, for as long as it only has to happen on one occasion.

On another note, do people have to register a microwave, lamps, pillow cases, or bicycles before using them?

Modifié par Deadmac, 01 février 2011 - 07:16 .

[ejoslin]

Leoroc wrote...

people arenst upset about activating on install they are upset about the calls home every few days 9i am sure some donst want any calls home but that minority can just crack it0

That is what I'm upset about.  When I get DA2, I will get it on Steam.  I can live with their DRM -- I like the convenience of Steam anyway and had the signature edition been available through them, I would have preordered through them. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 février 2011 - 07:14 .

[bzombo]

StingingVelvet wrote...

bzombo wrote...

while i can understand that there are people upset with the drm, i think that compared to most drm systems this is pretty reasonable. the % of gamers playing on the pc without internet is small. i feel for them, but it is small. no matter what drm is used, someone will not like it. my pc has been online 24/7 for about 5-6 years now, so maybe my perspective is a bit clouded by that. still, i think it is pretty fair.

It's not the need for internet that is the problem, I wish you and others would stop missing that point.  Not attacking you at all, I am just saying there is much more to it than that...

The internet itself does not magically activate Dragon Age 2, EA servers do.  EA server access is strictly dependent on them keeping it running, still existing as a company and allowing me to access it.  In short the company controls your game access, rather than yourself, which fundementally on a principle level I disagree with.

understood, but i would suggest that those with internet access not liking the drm get it through steam.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Strikethief wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Actually my anology was correct

Every time you go to wal-mart, you're scanned

Every so often when you play DA2, you're scanned

Did you buy Wal-Mart?

Did i buy EA?

No i bought a product of theirs

Did i buy Wal-Marts?

No i bought a product of theirs

I was scanned for each

Do Walmart come to your house every week and check you paid for the spaghetti in your cupboard?

Heh.  Give them a few years, with RFID tags and "smart" connected appliances...

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

While I don't foresee any real problems for me with this DRM method (my internet is reliable) I do however think it's rather stupid. Once the game is installed and verified, there shouldn't be any reason to periodically check.



Hell, the music industry is way more anal than the gaming industry, and once my computer was authorized to play iTunes content (I say was, because now all iTunes is iTunes Plus, no DRM), it stayed authorized, even offline.



In fact, look at that state now. Both iTunes and Amazon have NO DRM on the AAC/MP3 files and the music industry is now pretty much alright with this when in the past they were actively monitoring and suing music pirates for millions of dollars.



I don't support video game piracy, but I know people who do, and so I see how easy it is for them to get around these DRM methods, that I see how it annoys me, yet they don't have the problem, and though I am not going to pirate the game to avoid the annoyance of the DRM, there is still a part of me that says... maybe I should.

[BlackFriar]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hi everyone

Recently there has been some concern over the DRM (Digital Rights Management) included with Dragon Age 2. Hopefully this post will help clarify what the DRM is for all versions of Dragon Age 2.

Steam versions use Steam DRM, no other DRM is added.

Steam DRM is a royal pain.  Your ISP drops the ball and it can be, in my case, days before I can play the Steam DRM'd game.   Fallout:NV had Steam DRM and I'm, basically, not going that route again.

Non-Steam versions (digital or retail disc) are as follows:
- No disc check, you do not need the disc in drive to play.
- No limit on the total number of PCs you can install and play the game on.
- There is a limit to the number of unique/different PCs that can start/play the game within a time window [5 PCs in 24hrs].
- Each install requires logging in to your EA account to verify game ownership and if you are a member of these forums, you have an EA account.
- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

This is not well thought-out.   Because of job and travel issues, I don't always have Internet service available.  If the disk check comes up when I'm off the Internet grid, I'm well and truly screwed.   I don't mind the game checking off the Internet, but a redundant disk check would be good.  

[Kandid001]

Looks reasonable to me. Thanks CP.

edit: To those upset about online activation: While they didn't announce to do so, they may consider removing the online activation in a future patch, like some games which toned down the DRM a while after release.

Modifié par Kandid001, 01 février 2011 - 07:26 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Steam's DRM is a different animal.

While it doesn't require calls home, it does prevent reinstallation.  You can install a new version of the game, but you're not allowed to reinstall the original version if its been patched in the meantime.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 01 février 2011 - 07:22 .

[ToJKa1]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Steam versions use Steam DRM, no other DRM is added.

Perfect! Thank you

[N3n]

Chris Priestly wrote...
......
- Each install requires logging in to your EA account to verify game ownership and if you are a member of these forums, you have an EA account.
- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

I've read it before and it's still making no sense. What is the point of logging online when installing the game when the game will require periodic online check.
Why can you just drop login check, because most of the people on this board is complaining about it.

[StingingVelvet]

bzombo wrote...

1. drm sucks, but it's here to stay. if there was zero benefit to drm, companies would scrap it. their bottom line is their profit, not making buyers suffer, so on some level it works.

It works at making shareholders feel better, or corporate executives feel better.  That's about it.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

N3n wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
......
- Each install requires logging in to your EA account to verify game ownership and if you are a member of these forums, you have an EA account.
- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

I've read it before and it's still making no sense. What is the point of logging online when installing the game when the game will require periodic online check.
Why can you just drop login check, because most of the people on this board is complaining about it.

The part we are complaining about is the...

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

The verfiation on install part is reasonable (at least to me)

[Killjoy Cutter]

TwistedComplex wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

I really don't care if a game has DRM or not

I have the accommodations of someone living in the 21st century (computer and internet) so NEITHER of them hassle me

You left out a requirement:

1) Computer
2) Internet
3) Working EA server

Download crack

BOY THAT WAS COMPLICATED

Oh, yes, cracks.  Virus laden, often incompatible with patches and updates and DLC, and largely illegal. 

There's a wonderful solution. 

[MorseDenizen]

Thanks for the update, that cleared things up a bit. Thanks for the update

[Kandid001]

Reaverwind wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

I disapprove. Logging in in DAO made DLC items and locations randomly disappear, and then I'd save before I realized it and it was ****.

Don't buy DLC - problem solved.

I like the way you think.

[Killjoy Cutter]

StingingVelvet wrote...

bzombo wrote...

1. drm sucks, but it's here to stay. if there was zero benefit to drm, companies would scrap it. their bottom line is their profit, not making buyers suffer, so on some level it works.

It works at making shareholders feel better, or corporate executives feel better.  That's about it.

Bingo. 

The truth about DRM is that it puts an extra burden on honest people, while doing nothing to stop the dishonest.

[Nighteye2]

----9----- wrote...
If I was a creator or publisher of games I might have different thoughts about DRM. However, I'm a consumer, but am still concerned about DRM.

It's my choice to install DRM or not, which for me, is a choice of purchasing or not. But so far, I don't have enough information to make that choice; some questions are still unanswered.

By the sound of it, the DRM is not installed, but is part of the game executable. Could be wrong, though...