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[Layn]

Shadowjedi01 wrote...

well this is good news.
I like the no-disc playablity.

did you know  there was a time where you could do a full install and it didn't do disc checks nor online checks? yes! It's possible! it used to be standard!

[Kloreep]

Fernando, or other Bioware folks who are still wading through this mess: as someone whose biggest concern is often the "what happens in 10 years?" type of question, I agree that "we have a sunset plan" is good to hear, and that you might consider making that a more prominent part of DRM announcements.

Particularly if you might be willing to share more details? "We have a sunset plan" is nice; something more specific, say "our patching procedures for game X will include the creation of an alternate, DRM-free version of any patches made, ready for immediate distribution should the servers ever get taken down" would pretty much shut me up as far as my personal objections go.

And to push my luck to the limit: As others have said, simply committing to a date would, I think get you some goodwill. E.g. "three years after the game's release," or "two years after the final DLC is released," etc., "we will release a DRM-removal patch for all PC versions." Wouldn't hinder your ability to launch a game & see it through its first year or two with DRM protection, and would be a very good answer to anyone asking the "what happens in 10 years?" question.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Crrash wrote...

Shadowjedi01 wrote...

well this is good news.
I like the no-disc playablity.

did you know  there was a time where you could do a full install and it didn't do disc checks nor online checks? yes! It's possible! it used to be standard!

And before that, games didn't install at all and were hard-coded to run from Drive A:

Things change.

[DadeLeviathan]

The DRM Rage war... begun it has. Again.



DRM is bad, yes. But companies like EA are not going to get rid of DRM easily. Can't we all accept that this particular DRM is at least a step (If a small one) In the right direction, and move on? Yes DRM in its current state has little or no effect on the problem of piracy, but the best we can do is be polite and patient with companies as we POLITELY urge them to change their minds.



Screaming about it helps nobody. And it's not like the DRM on DA2 will change now anyway.

[Layn]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Crrash wrote...

Shadowjedi01 wrote...

well this is good news.
I like the no-disc playablity.

did you know  there was a time where you could do a full install and it didn't do disc checks nor online checks? yes! It's possible! it used to be standard!

And before that, games didn't install at all and were hard-coded to run from Drive A:

Things change.

well yeah, but that had to change with the advent of CD-media. it had nothing to do with copy protection

[Layn]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

DRM is bad, yes. But companies like EA are not going to get rid of DRM easily. Can't we all accept that this particular DRM is at least a step (If a small one) In the right direction, and move on?

no we can't. going from one time activation to every few days or weeks is not into the right direction. removing any internet requirement is the right direction

[ejoslin]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

The DRM Rage war... begun it has. Again.

DRM is bad, yes. But companies like EA are not going to get rid of DRM easily. Can't we all accept that this particular DRM is at least a step (If a small one) In the right direction, and move on? Yes DRM in its current state has little or no effect on the problem of piracy, but the best we can do is be polite and patient with companies as we POLITELY urge them to change their minds.

Screaming about it helps nobody. And it's not like the DRM on DA2 will change now anyway.

No, I cannot agree that it is.  Forcing people to go on line to play a single player game is not acceptable to me, or to many other people.  I don't like DRM much as I do not believe it prevents piracy nor does anything but penalize paying customers, but I vastly prefer a disk check than this.

[ManiacalEvil]

Crrash wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Crrash wrote...

Shadowjedi01 wrote...

well this is good news.
I like the no-disc playablity.

did you know  there was a time where you could do a full install and it didn't do disc checks nor online checks? yes! It's possible! it used to be standard!

And before that, games didn't install at all and were hard-coded to run from Drive A:

Things change.

well yeah, but that had to change with the advent of CD-media. it had nothing to do with copy protection

DRM schemes had to change with the advent of large scale file shraring. And while people tend to say it is unnificient, most people who would otherwise pirate a game don't know how to apply a crack. It is working.

[Marciel]

After some thinking i come to the following conclusion:

Are there really pirates who buy a game only to pirate it later(like the system of revalidation suggests)?Simple question no.Pirates want the game for free.They would never buy it just to pirate it later(although the other way around happens quite often try then buy).This means, there is another reason for an forced login.What reason are there for an forced login?



1.Revalidation as an placebo for the marketing(so their persecution complex is being adressed)

2.transfer of collected data



Then there is the question why the drm is not included in Steam(like many ubisoft games do).Another simple answer:Steam already sends the desired data.So the suspicion arises EA/Bioware tries to collect sensible data about me.Should i worry?Yes i should, cause if they would collect anomized data they would use this way.



It's sad.After DA:O i was happy with DRM from Bioware/EA.I actually bought it new.Now i feel a little deceived

[Layn]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

DRM schemes had to change with the advent of large scale file shraring. And while people tend to say it is unnificient, most people who would otherwise pirate a game don't know how to apply a crack. It is working.

one thing was to benefit the player by giving a larger medium instead of handling a huge amount of floppys, the other is to protect the company... except it doesn't protect the company... and it just hurts the customers

[ManiacalEvil]

Crrash wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

DRM schemes had to change with the advent of large scale file shraring. And while people tend to say it is unnificient, most people who would otherwise pirate a game don't know how to apply a crack. It is working.

one thing was to benefit the player by giving a larger medium instead of handling a huge amount of floppys, the other is to protect the company... except it doesn't protect the company... and it just hurts the customers

Except it does. Do you think companies are so stupid they would include something that doesn't work? I can't even imagine what figures would piracy reach of they released games with no copy protections.

[Marciel]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

The DRM Rage war... begun it has. Again.

DRM is bad, yes. But companies like EA are not going to get rid of DRM easily. Can't we all accept that this particular DRM is at least a step (If a small one) In the right direction, and move on? Yes DRM in its current state has little or no effect on the problem of piracy, but the best we can do is be polite and patient with companies as we POLITELY urge them to change their minds.

Screaming about it helps nobody. And it's not like the DRM on DA2 will change now anyway.

Wrong it can change the DRM like it did im ME1(removal of revalidation).Stating helplesness will get us nowhere.And in fact this is an backstep if you where following the DRM Diskussion from ME1.This is even an backtsep from the DA:O DRM scheme.And by POLITELY urging  and accepting their drm you only promoting the DRM'ed system.

[Layn]

just the same as they do with? it's not like it's hard to crack a game. usually when you download a pirated game it includes the crack anyway, so whats the difference?

disclaimer: i do not approve of piracy and this is not intended as a guide on how to pirate (i already got suspended from a forum once for saying stuff like this...)

Modifié par Crrash, 01 février 2011 - 11:42 .

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Fadook wrote...

This is all so baffling to me. People rage against DRM in games and the majority of developers/publishers ignore them. Now one developer lets you remove disc checks, install the game on as many computers as you want and says there'll be no SecuRom. In return, all they ask is that you log in when you install the game and every few days if you're playing offline. How is that so much to ask? Please name these places where people can legally buy a copy of Dragon Age but are geuninely going to have problems accessing the internet.

Millitary camps in Iran and Afghanistan (or anywhere else troops are deployed during war times).  This has already been said many times.  When they are not actively out there doing the war, some soldiers wish to play video games, but they are not able to go online very often (if they were, they'd do a LOT more video conferencing with their families than they are able to do)... so if they can't get online for six months, they can't play Dragon Age 2 even if they legally purchased it? This isn't fair to those that fight for our freedoms.

[LadyKarrakaz]

ejoslin wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

The DRM Rage war... begun it has. Again.

DRM is bad, yes. But companies like EA are not going to get rid of DRM easily. Can't we all accept that this particular DRM is at least a step (If a small one) In the right direction, and move on? Yes DRM in its current state has little or no effect on the problem of piracy, but the best we can do is be polite and patient with companies as we POLITELY urge them to change their minds.

Screaming about it helps nobody. And it's not like the DRM on DA2 will change now anyway.

No, I cannot agree that it is.  Forcing people to go on line to play a single player game is not acceptable to me, or to many other people.  I don't like DRM much as I do not believe it prevents piracy nor does anything but penalize paying customers, but I vastly prefer a disk check than this.

I completely agree with you Ejoslin! A single player game should not require internet connection from the start.

[Lord Moths]

Crrash wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

DRM schemes had to change with the advent of large scale file shraring. And while people tend to say it is unnificient, most people who would otherwise pirate a game don't know how to apply a crack. It is working.

one thing was to benefit the player by giving a larger medium instead of handling a huge amount of floppys, the other is to protect the company... except it doesn't protect the company... and it just hurts the customers

Complety In agreement.... I`m a client not a criminal, please

[ManiacalEvil]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Fadook wrote...

This is all so baffling to me. People rage against DRM in games and the majority of developers/publishers ignore them. Now one developer lets you remove disc checks, install the game on as many computers as you want and says there'll be no SecuRom. In return, all they ask is that you log in when you install the game and every few days if you're playing offline. How is that so much to ask? Please name these places where people can legally buy a copy of Dragon Age but are geuninely going to have problems accessing the internet.

Millitary camps in Iran and Afghanistan (or anywhere else troops are deployed during war times).  This has already been said many times.  When they are not actively out there doing the war, some soldiers wish to play video games, but they are not able to go online very often (if they were, they'd do a LOT more video conferencing with their families than they are able to do)... so if they can't get online for six months, they can't play Dragon Age 2 even if they legally purchased it? This isn't fair to those that fight for our freedoms.

Yeah, totally unfair on those who fight for our misery. They knew what they signed up for, which i guess didn't include internet access. Pretty sure those who truly fight for our freedoms make their lives a whole lot darker than the lack of internet access. I find it difficult to feel sad about the military.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

I said in an earlier post that I know video game pirates,and I talked to one of them about this. He actually told me that most of the time he does purchase the games, however he also pirates them because of the DRM restrictions. I'm not saying either way whether I would consider doing the same, but I shouldn't have to consider resorting to piracy to play my legally purchased copy of a game without having to jump through hoops.



People not willing to pay for something aren't going to do so. DRM does not help stop video game piracy any more than it does movie or music piracy. DRM only inconveniences the legitimate paying customers. Period.

[ManiacalEvil]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

I said in an earlier post that I know video game pirates,and I talked to one of them about this. He actually told me that most of the time he does purchase the games, however he also pirates them because of the DRM restrictions. I'm not saying either way whether I would consider doing the same, but I shouldn't have to consider resorting to piracy to play my legally purchased copy of a game without having to jump through hoops.

People not willing to pay for something aren't going to do so. DRM does not help stop video game piracy any more than it does movie or music piracy. DRM only inconveniences the legitimate paying customers. Period.

Yeah, and companies like BioWare or EA would totally still do it. It is their desire to inconvenience consumer while gaining nothing, right?

[sevalaricgirl]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Sounds awesome to me Chris. It's the ideal balance of a modern copy protection.

If you do not have an internet connection nowadays, at least every few days, you should not be playing video games.

Period.

...and seriously guys. EA is the biggest or second-biggest publisher, saying that it will no longer exist is true...in a far, far away future. I don't think that my copy of DA II will be compatible with my virtual reality device then

Don't you think that's harsh?  I'll answer for you, yes.  People can play any games they want whether you think so or not.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 01 février 2011 - 11:52 .

[Seifz]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

The DRM Rage war... begun it has. Again.

DRM is bad, yes. But companies like EA are not going to get rid of DRM easily. Can't we all accept that this particular DRM is at least a step (If a small one) In the right direction, and move on? Yes DRM in its current state has little or no effect on the problem of piracy, but the best we can do is be polite and patient with companies as we POLITELY urge them to change their minds.

No, it's not a step in the right direction.  With the exception of Ubisoft, this is probably the worst DRM yet.

Screaming about it helps nobody. And it's not like the DRM on DA2 will change now anyway.

That's not true.  A loud community can get things changed.  It's happened before. Sitting down and taking whatever they give us is never the right path to getting things changed.

[sevalaricgirl]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Fadook wrote...

This is all so baffling to me. People rage against DRM in games and the majority of developers/publishers ignore them. Now one developer lets you remove disc checks, install the game on as many computers as you want and says there'll be no SecuRom. In return, all they ask is that you log in when you install the game and every few days if you're playing offline. How is that so much to ask? Please name these places where people can legally buy a copy of Dragon Age but are geuninely going to have problems accessing the internet.

Millitary camps in Iran and Afghanistan (or anywhere else troops are deployed during war times).  This has already been said many times.  When they are not actively out there doing the war, some soldiers wish to play video games, but they are not able to go online very often (if they were, they'd do a LOT more video conferencing with their families than they are able to do)... so if they can't get online for six months, they can't play Dragon Age 2 even if they legally purchased it? This isn't fair to those that fight for our freedoms.

Yeah, totally unfair on those who fight for our misery. They knew what they signed up for, which i guess didn't include internet access. Pretty sure those who truly fight for our freedoms make their lives a whole lot darker than the lack of internet access. I find it difficult to feel sad about the military.

Sheesh, you're an ass.

[Synny204]

Is it possible to purchase a boxed version of DA2 and activate it over Steam for use with the Steam-DRM?

Modifié par Synny204, 01 février 2011 - 11:58 .

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Synny204 wrote...

If you purchase a boxed version and then activate the CD key over Steam, will it use the Steam-DRM or the built in non-steam version?

Can do DO that?

[Lord Moths]

And the consoles have drm. too?