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[rogershoe]

Yeah, the DRM is pretty lame, but it won't detract me from the purchase. What would detract me from the purchase is if the game flat out sucks, and right now, I don't like the shape that the game's UI and other systems are in.

[attend]

With all due respect to both Bioware and EA,

I will be receiving this game as a birthday gift from my husband. I had enjoyed the many games that Bioware has produced in the past and the current DAO was another masterpiece in my opinion.

I read thru everyones arguements on this thread and have to agree that a periodic systems check gives me the Big Brother is Watching You feeling and I have no wish to support a company that would support such a practice. There are lines (regardless of the convenience of technology) that should not be crossed.

I am making my plea (in as polite a manner as I can), do not do this. The disk check and one time on-line activation are valid ways to protect your product but after that it should be mine. If customers prefer periodic on-line checks to the disk check then give them that option, but do not take away others right to secure their personal freedom to play at will.

Since I would never spoil my husband's glee in finding me the perfect present, I will accept his gift graciously regardless (since he has already paid in full and is very proud of himself) and considering Biowares excellent past performance I will most likely enjoy it.

I will also be basing my future purchasing practices upon your final decision. There are several companies who have entertaining products that do not subject their client base to this type of surveillance. Thank you for the many wonderful past products and I hope to do business with you in the future.

Thank to ALL the posters for providing me with enough information to make my decision.

Modifié par attend, 02 février 2011 - 01:39 .

[Mariquis]

I would really appreciate if someone could explain to me how this is supposed to work. 
A) after installation we don't need the disk to play the game
We can only play it on 5 PCs in 24 hours
C) After the initial installation it checks in every say 10 days, and you can play offline between those checks.
So if I have 6 PCs that are not connected in any way how is it going to tell that I've played it on 5 or more systems when I don't use the disk unless it's actually checking something online?
I honestly think a better DRM would just be to have a disk check and to keep the 5 PC in 24 hr limit. That way it can be completely offline if necessary. I work at a video game store and it is extremely frustrating to interrogate anyone who buys a PC game to make sure they have a decent internet connection in order to install (since many don't know). Or try to field questions from those who didn't realize it needed a 'check in' and now can't play their game when they live in the boonies. It upsets the players, it upsets the retailers.. so why is it there? I also don't see the purpose of DRMs, the players hate them and the company has to spend money on them. But! Inevitably about a week (max) after release someone has a cracked version up anyways.

Modifié par Mariquis, 02 février 2011 - 01:51 .

[Eurypterid]

Mariquis wrote...

I would really appreciate if someone could explain to me how this is supposed to work. 
A) after installation we don't need the disk to play the game
We can only play it on 5 PCs in 24 hours
C) After the initial installation it checks in every say 10 days, and you can play offline between those checks.
So if I have 6 PCs that are not connected in any way how is it going to tell that I've played it on 5 or more systems when I don't use the disk unless it's actually checking something online?

You can only activate on 5 PCs in any 24 hour period. There's no limit to how many you can install and play on.

[Snelle Jaap]

Feels like Mass Effect 1 all over again.

I do like to hear what the response will be from BW/EA
If they don't remove the periodic internet checks then it will be Cancel Preorder SE  !!

i dont care if its one's every 1000 years i do not need you to ask me if i am a pirate BW/EA !!
i did PAY for it
Well will see in the next couple of weeks ...

But its not looking to well from my point of view

Cheers.

[slimgrin]

I'm a little slow, so could someone explain to me why periodic online drm is somehow more troublesome for pirates?

[Morroian]

attend wrote...

With all due respect to both Bioware and EA,

I will be receiving this game as a birthday gift from my husband. I had enjoyed the many games that Bioware has produced in the past and the current DAO was another masterpiece in my opinion.

I read thru everyones arguements on this thread and have to agree that a periodic systems check gives me the Big Brother is Watching You feeling and I have no wish to support a company that would support such a practice. There are lines (regardless of the convenience of technology) that should not be crossed.

Yet they crossed such a line with DAO as well, not the periodic check to keep playing, but the game did upload info to the BW servers unless you specifically turned it off. 

[Estelindis]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm a little slow, so could someone explain to me why periodic online drm is somehow more troublesome for pirates?

I'm guessing that it's because large numbers of pirates would get their game from a single source - whereas now only four people could install a copy from that source before it would stop working for everyone else due to online authentication.  But I really don't know.  There may be ever so many ways of working around existing DRM that I'm not aware of, because I don't pirate - and I confess to a certain dubiousness as to whether this new method will also be foolproof.  It seems to me that those who want to pirate always find a way, regardless of how clever the DRM may be.

[AlanC9]

Seifz wrote...
Apparently, you didn't actually bother to read about what happened.  Here's what happened to Mr. Whipple:  http://www.urlesque....ld-of-warcraft/.  There are other obvious privacy concerns that applied there but not here, but a name alone is enough to cause trouble if you desire to.

I'm not sure if you were trying to be insulting there or not. I read about the Blizzard case, but I didn't happen to find anything about the unfortunate Mr. Whipple. Having read your link, I should feel... what? Is that picture of him supposed to be really embarrassing? I guess I'd be embarrassed, but I'd never be wearing that outfit in the first place.

And to the extent this argument has any force, it's only because people who agree with you were engaging in harassment. And that was only because he was the one guy out front.

There's tons of personal information on my PC.  What programs am I running?  How are they configured?  What websites have I visited recently?  Etc.

How could anyone possibly be comfortable with EA transferring unknown information to their servers?  Do you really trust EA that much?  We're talking about EA, here.  They've hardly been the example of a "Good Company" in the past.

Even assuming EA bothered to collect any of that stuff -- they've said they aren't, and there's no reason for them to do it -- what interest would it be to anybody? And supposing it was of interest to somebody, what would he do with that information that would bother me?

[Morroian]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm a little slow, so could someone explain to me why periodic online drm is somehow more troublesome for pirates?

Its not, its really designed to combat casual piracy, people letting their friends install it, that sort of thing.

[coolide]

attend wrote...

With all due respect to both Bioware and EA,

I will be receiving this game as a birthday gift from my husband. I had enjoyed the many games that Bioware has produced in the past and the current DAO was another masterpiece in my opinion.

I read thru everyones arguements on this thread and have to agree that a periodic systems check gives me the Big Brother is Watching You feeling and I have no wish to support a company that would support such a practice. There are lines (regardless of the convenience of technology) that should not be crossed.

I am making my plea (in as polite a manner as I can), do not do this. The disk check and one time on-line activation are valid ways to protect your product but after that it should be mine. If customers prefer periodic on-line checks to the disk check then give them that option, but do not take away others right to secure their personal freedom to play at will.

Since I would never spoil my husband's glee in finding me the perfect present, I will accept his gift graciously regardless (since he has already paid in full and is very proud of himself) and considering Biowares excellent past performance I will most likely enjoy it.

I will also be basing my future purchasing practices upon your final decision. There are several companies who have entertaining products that do not subject their client base to this type of surveillance. Thank you for the many wonderful past products and I hope to do business with you in the future.

Thank to ALL the posters for providing me with enough information to make my decision.

Big brother?  Seriously?  TheynI hope you never use Google or any other search engine because they log and document every single thing you search and every link you click on.  I hope you never use facebook either, or purchase anything online, or use a credit card because all of those things are far more evaisive than something as simple as an online check so that they can try to prevent people from pirating their game.

I'm shocked that you even use the Internet since you're so concerned about "big brother".

[coolide]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm a little slow, so could someone explain to me why periodic online drm is somehow more troublesome for pirates?

It's more troublesome than nothing at all.

If this is such an issue to you all, then buy an XBox like a true balla.

Modifié par coolide, 02 février 2011 - 02:42 .

[slimgrin]

Well, it took me five minutes, but I think I've formulated a more effective anti-piracy scheme than the one EA has come up with. Prating is easy because it's a faceless crime. The solution is simple, put a sad little kitty on each box of DA2. Pirates would never steal from a kitty.



 http://t2.gstatic.co...TF71m0ZdO-AHmGg

[MrDizazta]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hi everyone

Recently there has been some concern over the DRM (Digital Rights Management) included with Dragon Age 2. Hopefully this post will help clarify what the DRM is for all versions of Dragon Age 2.

Steam versions use Steam DRM, no other DRM is added.

Non-Steam versions (digital or retail disc) are as follows:
- No disc check, you do not need the disc in drive to play.
- No limit on the total number of PCs you can install and play the game on.
- There is a limit to the number of unique/different PCs that can start/play the game within a time window [5 PCs in 24hrs].
- Each install requires logging in to your EA account to verify game ownership and if you are a member of these forums, you have an EA account.
- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

Release Control (does not use securom)
      . It does not install anything to the PC.
      . Sole purpose is to check with a server to validate whether the game release date has passed or not. 
      . It completely removes itself after the game release date has passed. 
      . You will not be able to play until that date has passed.
      . Dates & times are set to the retail street date per country.

Hopefully this explains the DRM included in Dragon Age 2.

If you still have questions, please ask them here. However, this thread is NOT for the general discussion of DRM, the pros and cons of other DRM systems or any talk about circumventing DRM (which is against the rules of conduct and will be diciplined as such). Thanks.

So wait.  This is what everybody is complainning about?

Modifié par MrDizaztar, 02 février 2011 - 02:48 .

[Lyssistr]

Eurypterid wrote...

Mariquis wrote...

I would really appreciate if someone could explain to me how this is supposed to work. 
A) after installation we don't need the disk to play the game
We can only play it on 5 PCs in 24 hours
C) After the initial installation it checks in every say 10 days, and you can play offline between those checks.
So if I have 6 PCs that are not connected in any way how is it going to tell that I've played it on 5 or more systems when I don't use the disk unless it's actually checking something online?

You can only activate on 5 PCs in any 24 hour period. There's no limit to how many you can install and play on.

* Not directed to you in specific, just an incoherent rant about how the game industry today treats clients.*

I know that probably you have nothing to do with DRM on Bio games, probably not even Bio staff has anything to do with it, since to the best of my knowledge it's the publisher who installs DRM. However, here is one philosophical question.

Is DRM hurting people who pay for their games or people who don't pay for their games?

 I don't pirate, it's a matter of perspective, nor will I pirate because of DRM, I'll simply skip the game. But honestly, does it make sense to have a cost premium on a technically inferior product (with additional limitations)?

  In the 80s (yeah a long time ago admittedly) people who payed for their games got maps, books and tons of **** to enhance their experience. Today it's like all they get is additional restrictions.

[MrDizazta]

instead of complainning about DRM, just buy the game legit

Modifié par MrDizaztar, 02 février 2011 - 02:48 .

[coolide]

Is being connected to the Internet such a inconvenience? You're connected right now.



If you think that something as simple as an online check is difficult or a restricting, then you should just give up on life right now because it gets so much tougher.

[Eurypterid]

Lyssistr wrote...


* Not directed to you in specific, just an incoherent rant about how the game industry today treats clients.*

I know that probably you have nothing to do with DRM on Bio games, probably not even Bio staff has anything to do with it, since to the best of my knowledge it's the publisher who installs DRM. However, here is one philosophical question.

Is DRM hurting people who pay for their games or people who don't pay for their games?

 I don't pirate, it's a matter of perspective, nor will I pirate because of DRM, I'll simply skip the game. But honestly, does it make sense to have a cost premium on a technically inferior product (with additional limitations)?

  In the 80s (yeah a long time ago admittedly) people who payed for their games got maps, books and tons of **** to enhance their experience. Today it's like all they get is additional restrictions.

Yeah, I'm just clarifying for the other forum member. I already stated I wasn't buying the game due to the DRM scheme.

[slimgrin]

MrDizaztar wrote...

instead of complainning about DRM, just buy the game legit

Or don't buy the game at all. 

And we got so far without someone flaming. Good job.

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 février 2011 - 02:50 .

[vometia]

bzombo wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...

vometia wrote...

What are the longer-term consequences?  Say I want to install in five years' time and EA has hypothetically gone out of business (as we've seen, especially lately, no company is indestructible) and the buyer isn't interested in continuing to run the authorisation servers... what then?

Fernando claims there will be a patch in case that very thing happens.

You can read his post here.

to play devil's advocate for a second; if ea/bioware expects anyone to believe them, they should patch the drm out of origins to show they mean it. otherwise, i could say i'll patch it out. it's meaningless.

This is also my concern.  I've seen the "we'll release a patch to remove online DRM" elsewhere several times before, but even if there were the time (and the priority) to do such a thing should the worst happen, have there ever been any occasions when it's actually been done?  An additional concern is that it may actually be in an asset-stripper's interests to not release such a patch.  As usual, this is something that people who are happy to use pirated copies don't need to worry about.


Edit: unmangled formatting again.

Modifié par vometia, 02 février 2011 - 02:57 .

[Lyssistr]

Eurypterid wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...


* Not directed to you in specific, just an incoherent rant about how the game industry today treats clients.*

I know that probably you have nothing to do with DRM on Bio games, probably not even Bio staff has anything to do with it, since to the best of my knowledge it's the publisher who installs DRM. However, here is one philosophical question.

Is DRM hurting people who pay for their games or people who don't pay for their games?

 I don't pirate, it's a matter of perspective, nor will I pirate because of DRM, I'll simply skip the game. But honestly, does it make sense to have a cost premium on a technically inferior product (with additional limitations)?

  In the 80s (yeah a long time ago admittedly) people who payed for their games got maps, books and tons of **** to enhance their experience. Today it's like all they get is additional restrictions.

Yeah, I'm just clarifying for the other forum member. I already stated I wasn't buying the game due to the DRM scheme.

Didn't want to come up as offensive or anything, even if you bought the game it's not you who'll install the drm at the end of the day:).

Just want EA people (who must read these forums from time to time) to seriously ask themselves what do they achieve by releasing a technically inferior product. I'm sure whatever they use, the game will be out without DRM for those that won't pay and people who will pay will be getting a technically limited version of the product.

 Maps, books and **** is what will make the real thing more attractive

[Erode_The_Soul]

MrDizaztar wrote...

instead of complainning about DRM, just buy the game legit

It's incredibly naive to think that those upset by the DRM are theives, if that is truly what you're implying here.
After all, the theives likely have absolutely no opinion either way about the DRM, as it doesn't really have any effect on their practices.

[coolide]

They'll never find a solution if they never try anything. This may not be it, but it's a step in the right direction to preventing piracy.



You people are making this out to be a much bigger idea than it actually is. If it is such an issue, then just buy an Xbox and then you don't have to worry about it. Being a bunch of babies and crying about it isn't going to change anything.

[Seifz]

coolide wrote...

Is being connected to the Internet such a inconvenience? You're connected right now.

For many, yes.  Connected right now is not equal to connected always.