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[moonblade_820]

I bought a digital copy (pre-order) and I wanna know how can I download the game, and the time/internet speed will be necessary to download it ...

[moonblade_820]

about piracy and all other things ... well theres no way to prevent the game can be played without purchase ... for all locks will be a lockpick,

A very good idea is to make a game cheaper so people will just buy, instead to being annoyed by cracks, viruses, DRM passes by and all other things ...

the price to create a robust DRM system could be reduced from the game ... as a strategic commercial action, I think the profits will be much larger than trying to keep out of the game millions of computers experts around the world ... its simple illogic to think EA could create a DRM which cannot be broken in, lets say it, seven days ...

[dchalf10]

I bought the collectors edition of dragon age, the expansion, ME, the collectors edition of mas effect 2, all at retail on PC and now they treat retail customers like scum....



I cancelled my pre-order. The witcher 2 has no DRM of any kind. I was planning on buying both but I can live without a poor mans witcher.

[slimgrin]

dchalf10 wrote...

I bought the collectors edition of dragon age, the expansion, ME, the collectors edition of mas effect 2, all at retail on PC and now they treat retail customers like scum....

I cancelled my pre-order. The witcher 2 has no DRM of any kind. I was planning on buying both but I can live without a poor mans witcher.

Only the GoG version is DRM free. I think CD red is still dealing with their respective publishers for the other versions. 

GoG is the best example I know of for a modern game seller, and their experiment with TW2 should be commended. They are one of the few publishers I have heard publicly proclaim that DRM does not deter piracy, which is the truth.

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 février 2011 - 05:34 .

[Mage One]

Fernando Melo wrote...

This system, apart from being much more user and system friendly in a lot more subtle ways than most commercial drm software, has none of the first 3 items/restrictions.  And the jury is still out on the last item on the list (including whether to even have this).

So for those already tearing hair out in frustration - this is entirely your prerogative of course - if your concern really is only that final item I'd suggest waiting until that is actually decided on.

F.

Indeed, I have been, since that really is the part that bothers me the most.  While nothing previously posted implied the decision to include that system was not yet final, I nonetheless hoped if enough people expressed dissatisfaction with it, Bioware would take note and reconsider.  (Not to say that I was bluffing.  I was not.)  I'm glad to see this is, in fact, the case.  I should also note I would be able to live with such a system if you could avoid having to check in by having the disk in the drive so long as I knew what infromation was being gathered and transmitted when the game "phone's in."

As I said before, though, I also don't like having to tie the game to my EA account.  So long as there remain reasonable options for prvacy, such as the option of not transmitting any data to my account and having  EA/Bioware not store/use the information connecting you to ownership of the game beyond what is necessary for the game to ping the servers for authentication, I could live with this requirement.

Basically, I would prefer to have neither of those systems in place at all, but I am willing to compromise, as it were.  As such, I am glad we are still being listened to and our opinions considered on the matter.

Also, it seems to me the reading that says you can install the game as often you want on as many different systems as you want but only startup the game (when it will phone home if connected to the internet) on 5 different systems within 24 hours is the correct one.

Edited to make minor clarifications.

Modifié par Mage One, 02 février 2011 - 05:46 .

[Seifz]

Questions remain.



1. Can we deactivate an account and resell the game?

2. Will sunset plans be included in the EULA or do we have to just trust you?

[rogershoe]

dchalf10 wrote...

I bought the collectors edition of dragon age, the expansion, ME, the collectors edition of mas effect 2, all at retail on PC and now they treat retail customers like scum....

I cancelled my pre-order. The witcher 2 has no DRM of any kind. I was planning on buying both but I can live without a poor mans witcher.

Good for you. So I would assume that you would no longer post in Dragon Age II forums as you obviously have no interest in a "poor man's Witcher"?

Anyways, I find it surprising that so many people have such terrible internet service. I live in the United States and have Verizon Fios and have not once in the past two years in which I've had said service, experienced ANY drops in service. There may have been some slow downs due to extremely inclement weather, but even with a slightly slower internet, I would still have no problem authenticating the game. The only times I couldn't access the internet when I wanted to, was when there was a black out.

I'm personally just curious which internet providers you have who provide such spotty service that the internet is out so frequently that the game can't make a check online.

Seifz wrote...

Questions remain.

1. Can we deactivate an account and resell the game?

Haha. When was the last time you could resell a PC game? Because this DRM refers explicitly to the PC version of the game.

[Haussier]

rogershoe wrote...

dchalf10 wrote...

I bought the collectors edition of dragon age, the expansion, ME, the collectors edition of mas effect 2, all at retail on PC and now they treat retail customers like scum....

I cancelled my pre-order. The witcher 2 has no DRM of any kind. I was planning on buying both but I can live without a poor mans witcher.

Good for you. So I would assume that you would no longer post in Dragon Age II forums as you obviously have no interest in a "poor man's Witcher"?

Anyways, I find it surprising that so many people have such terrible internet service. I live in the United States and have Verizon Fios and have not once in the past two years in which I've had said service, experienced ANY drops in service. There may have been some slow downs due to extremely inclement weather, but even with a slightly slower internet, I would still have no problem authenticating the game. The only times I couldn't access the internet when I wanted to, was when there was a black out.

I'm personally just curious which internet providers you have who provide such spotty service that the internet is out so frequently that the game can't make a check online.

Seifz wrote...

Questions remain.

1. Can we deactivate an account and resell the game?

Haha. When was the last time you could resell a PC game? Because this DRM refers explicitly to the PC version of the game.

Sometimes people hit hard times and the internet is the first to go. Personally I would like to be able to play a single player game offline if it comes to that.

[Soul Juggalo]

Hello everyone,

Could you clarify about this EA-Account and its ownership.

As i understand it, once i put DA2 into my standard email account it is to one hundred percent stuck there.
In case i dislike the simplified changes of the DA franchise or whatever reason, can i still sell it?
If i sell it will there be missing any cut dlc like the latest example of DA the stone temple prisoner?

Will there be a demo of the game?

thanks!

edit: ups i just saw there are more pages, sry will read now and change my post afterwards

Modifié par Soul Juggalo, 02 février 2011 - 05:57 .

[rogershoe]

Soul Juggalo wrote...

Hello everyone,

Could you clarify about this EA-Account and its ownership.

As i understand it, once i put DA2 into my standard email account it is to one hundred percent stuck there.
In case i dislike the simplified changes of the DA franchise or whatever reason, can i still sell it?
If i sell it will there be missing any cut dlc like the latest example of DA the stone temple prisoner?

Will there be a demo of the game?

thanks!

edit: ups i just saw there are more pages, sry will read now and change my post afterwards

It's like Blizzard's games. The game is tied into a specific account once you enter the CD key. The age when you can sell PC games is pretty much over. Also, thank god you don't have to have the disc in the computer to play. It was archaic with DA and ME2.

Haussier wrote...
Sometimes people hit hard times and the
internet is the first to go. Personally I would like to be able to play a
single player game offline if it comes to that.../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

If you're hit by hard times and you STILL buy video games, then you aren't getting yourself out of that ditch. Also, if you are in such financial trouble, then you shouldn't even be playing video games to begin with. Video games are essentially distractions. If you are reasonably well off, you can afford distractions. But when you are having trouble making ends meet, any distraction can cost you dearly.

Modifié par rogershoe, 02 février 2011 - 06:01 .

[Reaverwind]

rogershoe wrote...

Anyways, I find it surprising that so many people have such terrible internet service. I live in the United States and have Verizon Fios and have not once in the past two years in which I've had said service, experienced ANY drops in service. There may have been some slow downs due to extremely inclement weather, but even with a slightly slower internet, I would still have no problem authenticating the game.

Educate yourself: http://www.dslreport...roadband-109473

[Haussier]

rogershoe wrote...

Haussier wrote...
Sometimes people hit hard times and the
internet is the first to go. Personally I would like to be able to play a
single player game offline if it comes to that.../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

If you're hit by hard times and you STILL buy video games, then you aren't getting yourself out of that ditch. Also, if you are in such financial trouble, then you shouldn't even be playing video games to begin with. Video games are essentially distractions. If you are reasonably well off, you can afford distractions. But when you are having trouble making ends meet, any distraction can cost you dearly.

haha I so called that  My present financial situation is fine thank you. however that can change rather quickly given the economic climate. (also if you look to the past you will see people who are without go through quite alot to distract themselves from their current situations EG. massive turnouts to movie theaters during the great depression.)

Modifié par Haussier, 02 février 2011 - 06:11 .

[habitat 67]

This sounds fine.

[rogershoe]

Haussier wrote...

rogershoe wrote...

Haussier wrote...
Sometimes people hit hard times and the
internet is the first to go. Personally I would like to be able to play a
single player game offline if it comes to that.../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

If you're hit by hard times and you STILL buy video games, then you aren't getting yourself out of that ditch. Also, if you are in such financial trouble, then you shouldn't even be playing video games to begin with. Video games are essentially distractions. If you are reasonably well off, you can afford distractions. But when you are having trouble making ends meet, any distraction can cost you dearly.

haha I so called that  My present finacial situation is fine thank you. however that can change rather quickly given the economic climate. (also if you look to the past you will see people who are without go through quite alot to distract themselves from their current situations EG. massive turnouts to movie theaters during the great depression.)

Yeah, but movies were a cheap commodity. Games cost $60, and PC games require a gaming computer (which would actually be one of the first things to go IF you are in extremely dire financial straits).

Reaverwind wrote...
Educate yourself: http://www.dslreport...roadband-109473

That is a surprising number. However, parts of my original point still stands. If you guys, the people complaining, have the internet capablilities to post on this forum to complain about a disc check, then surely your internet service is stable enough for a simple log-in check.

Modifié par rogershoe, 02 février 2011 - 06:10 .

[Seifz]

rogershoe wrote...
That is a surprising number. However, parts of my original point still stands. If you guys, the people complaining, have the internet capablilities to post on this forum to complain about a disc check, then surely your internet service is stable enough for a simple log-in check.

1.  Right now does not equal always.
2.  Maybe you should think about someone other than yourself.

In regards to selling PC games, it happens all the time.  In fact, this right is guaranteed by law:  http://en.wikipedia....-sale_doctrine.  Yes, I'm aware of the Autodesk case.  However, that ruling is at odds with every other ruling.

[Reaverwind]

rogershoe wrote...

Haussier wrote...

rogershoe wrote...

Haussier wrote...
Sometimes people hit hard times and the
internet is the first to go. Personally I would like to be able to play a
single player game offline if it comes to that.../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

If you're hit by hard times and you STILL buy video games, then you aren't getting yourself out of that ditch. Also, if you are in such financial trouble, then you shouldn't even be playing video games to begin with. Video games are essentially distractions. If you are reasonably well off, you can afford distractions. But when you are having trouble making ends meet, any distraction can cost you dearly.

haha I so called that  My present finacial situation is fine thank you. however that can change rather quickly given the economic climate. (also if you look to the past you will see people who are without go through quite alot to distract themselves from their current situations EG. massive turnouts to movie theaters during the great depression.)

Yeah, but movies were a cheap commodity. Games cost $60, and PC games require a gaming computer (which would actually be one of the first things to go IF you are in extremely dire financial straits.

Reaverwind wrote...
Educate yourself: http://www.dslreport...roadband-109473

That is a surprising number. However, parts of my original point still stands. If you guys, the people complaining, have the internet capablilities to post on this forum to complain about a disc check, then surely your internet service is stable enough for a simple log-in check.

It isn't either. We routinely lose the internet for hours to a day. Add to that the problems with EA's servers. Spending hours rechecking to authenticate a SINGLE-player game that I already had to prove I've purchased upon installing is a MAJOR inconvenience. I'll only tolerate that kind of hassle with an mmo. At least mmo providers are a lot more motivated to keep their servers up to speed.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 02 février 2011 - 06:26 .

[devSin]

dchalf10 wrote...
I bought the collectors edition of dragon age, the expansion, ME, the collectors edition of mas effect 2, all at retail on PC and now they treat retail customers like scum....

What? ME PC (physical retail) had pretty much the same DRM, didn't it (they removed the periodic phone home but still had semi-auto-revocable activation limits and initial authentication)?

I'm keeping my signature pre-order; the DRM doesn't affect me, although I'm not really sure the point of repeat authentication (OK, it's all pretty useless against the determined pirate, but I guess the casual miscreant might decide to play something else once they realize their illegitimate game don't play). I can see it really bothering some people on principle, and others where it presents a real restriction (slow/no/unreliable/Egyptian internet access, etc.), but I think we're past the time when you could actually change the decision by complaining to the public faces here (also, if they're coming back to heavy DRM after having been so public about the decision to move away from it for DA and ME2, I'm sure there's at least some reason for them to have to try to do something, ineffective as it may be). Maybe they can start some Honored Honest Customer waiver program that gives you like a card or code you can use to bypass the DRM after you prove your integrity and take the blood oath. :/

I just hope they don't have too many more inane "exclusive" offers. It's starting to feel kind of sleazy, to be honest; this spate of panhandling is affecting my perception of EA/BioWare more than their DRM probably ever could.

In brighter news, I laughed at Chris "Release Control doesn't install anything on your PC, and it removes itself after release date." What the heck is it supposed to be removing, then, if it doesn't install anything? Fly free, Captain Logic! Fly free!

Modifié par devSin, 02 février 2011 - 06:33 .

[StingingVelvet]

Fernando Melo wrote...

This system, apart from being much more user and system friendly in a lot more subtle ways than most commercial drm software, has none of the first 3 items/restrictions.  And the jury is still out on the last item on the list (including whether to even have this).

So for those already tearing hair out in frustration - this is entirely your prerogative of course - if your concern really is only that final item I'd suggest waiting until that is actually decided on.

Well I highly advise dropping the periodic checks as you did for Mass Effect.  Not just because they are aggrivating to paying customers, but also simply because once someone activates the game with their EA account why do they need to keep proving they aren't pirates after that?  It doesn't make much sense overall.

And again, I would mention more strongly your plans to remove the DRM one day when needed, it would eliminate a lot of concerns for people who might not have read your post.  If you make it years down the line, or only when the company closes or leaves PC gaming, it's not like pirates are going to wait that out.

[Eurypterid]

rogershoe wrote...
If you're hit by hard times and you STILL buy video games, then you aren't getting yourself out of that ditch. Also, if you are in such financial trouble, then you shouldn't even be playing video games to begin with. Video games are essentially distractions. If you are reasonably well off, you can afford distractions. But when you are having trouble making ends meet, any distraction can cost you dearly.

'Hard times' does not necessarily mean dire straits. If one needs to cut back on expenses, there are often several options. Internet may be one of those. And it's a far better option to buy a single player game for a one time investment of $60 that you can replay many times, than it is to keep paying a recurring monthly fee (for broadband, it can add up to almost that much per month, depending on your provider).

[Holy_Shielder]

Haussier wrote...

rogershoe wrote...

Haussier wrote...
Sometimes people hit hard times and the
internet is the first to go. Personally I would like to be able to play a
single player game offline if it comes to that.../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

If you're hit by hard times and you STILL buy video games, then you aren't getting yourself out of that ditch. Also, if you are in such financial trouble, then you shouldn't even be playing video games to begin with. Video games are essentially distractions. If you are reasonably well off, you can afford distractions. But when you are having trouble making ends meet, any distraction can cost you dearly.

haha I so called that  My present financial situation is fine thank you. however that can change rather quickly given the economic climate. (also if you look to the past you will see people who are without go through quite alot to distract themselves from their current situations EG. massive turnouts to movie theaters during the great depression.)

Exactly right, from personal experience I know when times are down the net IS the first to go. I really don't like how people just assume just because everything works smoothly for them that all other people must just be cry babies because they are not the same as them. The net is a fickle thing, and I know for us even though we are in a good service area technically we still have trouble.

Plus, I know this is a bit off thread topic, but I also didn't really apreciate that comment either "If you are reasonably well off, you can afford distractions". Its like saying only the rich can have fun; even if your down i think u still deserve a distraction now and again, and when a net connection can cost like $500 a year, compared top game costing $60 forever, I think its clear which luxury would be cut.

[Unato]

alternatively being hit hard could equate to natural disasters. recently my family in QLD was given an hr notice to evacuate while I joked with my younger brother over the phone about what he could do by saving the family laptop, to this date power and communication services are still patchy in the town they live in....



i bought DAO for my bro and i intended to get DA2 for him which is why I have 2 CE on pre order... this DRM is making me considering canceling one if not both of them.

[uglor808]

don't assume, just because people have the ability to post on this board DOESN'T necessarily mean they have the ability to check in online with their gaming rigs.  some people have no internet access/ or poor internet access at home, but use their iphone/internet capable cellphone or computer at work to access this or other computer forums.

rogershoe wrote...

Haussier wrote...

rogershoe wrote...

Haussier wrote...
Sometimes people hit hard times and the
internet is the first to go. Personally I would like to be able to play a
single player game offline if it comes to that.../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

If you're hit by hard times and you STILL buy video games, then you aren't getting yourself out of that ditch. Also, if you are in such financial trouble, then you shouldn't even be playing video games to begin with. Video games are essentially distractions. If you are reasonably well off, you can afford distractions. But when you are having trouble making ends meet, any distraction can cost you dearly.

haha I so called that  My present finacial situation is fine thank you. however that can change rather quickly given the economic climate. (also if you look to the past you will see people who are without go through quite alot to distract themselves from their current situations EG. massive turnouts to movie theaters during the great depression.)

Yeah, but movies were a cheap commodity. Games cost $60, and PC games require a gaming computer (which would actually be one of the first things to go IF you are in extremely dire financial straits).

Reaverwind wrote...
Educate yourself: http://www.dslreport...roadband-109473

That is a surprising number. However, parts of my original point still stands. If you guys, the people complaining, have the internet capablilities to post on this forum to complain about a disc check, then surely your internet service is stable enough for a simple log-in check.

[trinsic1]

I dont know about the rest of you, but I dont support games that force you to authenticate online when its an offline game for the post part. Never have, never will. You guys still dont get it, if you act like your customers are pirates, you create the very thing you dont want which is piracy. Have faith in people supporting your games because they enjoy them and want to support you.

[Soul Juggalo]

rogershoe wrote...

Soul Juggalo wrote...

Hello everyone,

Could you clarify about this EA-Account and its ownership.

As i understand it, once i put DA2 into my standard email account it is to one hundred percent stuck there.
In case i dislike the simplified changes of the DA franchise or whatever reason, can i still sell it?
If i sell it will there be missing any cut dlc like the latest example of DA the stone temple prisoner?

Will there be a demo of the game?

thanks!

edit: ups i just saw there are more pages, sry will read now and change my post afterwards

It's like Blizzard's games. The game is tied into a specific account once you enter the CD key. The age when you can sell PC games is pretty much over. Also, thank god you don't have to have the disc in the computer to play. It was archaic with DA and ME2.

Thanks for answering so quickly.

If that is the case than i dont get it why EA changes to the worse again. I liked the past few games (DA, ME2, BC2) with its minor re-sell value in form of missing multiplayer maps or one to two side quests. Thats simple and fair, for both company and customers.

About Dead Space 2 i just read, that if you buy it used you have to re-buy the mulitplayer modus if you want to play multiplayer. That i would prefere to an all or nothing policy.

So for Dragon Age 2 can someone please clarifiy this from the official bioware staff.
Will it be the same like DA with a missing dlc? Or is it the all or nothing deal?

Thanks

Modifié par Soul Juggalo, 02 février 2011 - 07:35 .