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[Fernando Melo]

A couple quick points:

Is this for consoles as well?
No, this is PC only DRM and only related to non-steam versions.  Consoles & Steam editions have their own native DRM systems and we do not add anything extra to those.

How many days can you be offline?
We'll have more info on this closer to release.  Not trying to avoid the question, we honestly have not settled on this yet - but also did not want to further delay getting the rest of the information out to you.  

What about dial-up/minimal connections?
The login checks are light - it would not be a problem on dial-up, and should not hog up bandwidth or create a noticeable impact on an connection that has a limit imposed by your ISP.  You are likely using more bandwidth currently just by surfing on this site.  Note: There are other online features in DA2, including uploading your character portrait and stats to this site, etc like in DAO - and those will add to your online usage.  But the login checks themselves are minimal.

Hope that helps.

[MarchWaltz]

So if I want to install the game on my main machine and my laptop, just in case I have to play it on the lap top for some reason, I have to do within 24 hours?

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 31 janvier 2011 - 09:35 .

[Absafraginlootly]

Hi, thanks for info, I just have one question.

Edit: My question answered with "we don't know yet".

New question: Will the having to login every few days be a temperary thing, to sort of hold off the pirates for a few days while people buy copies and eventually be removed in a patch?

Because it would seem pointless to me to still be having disk checks a year from now, since it will only effect the nice people who actually bought it, and may cause people who were thinking of buying it to illegally download to avoid the fuss.

Modifié par Absafraginlootly, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:10 .

[In Exile]

MarchWaltz wrote...

So if I want to install the game on my main machine and my laptop, just in case I have to play it on the lap top for some reason, I have to do within 24 hours?

No. As I understand it, if you had 6 computers, you could only install  (run - that's the right word; you could install but you can't run) DA2 on 5 of them at any one time. So if you had 5 gaming PCs and a laptop, you would have to uninstall DA2 off one of the gaming PCs to get it on the laptop. Otherwise, beside the fact it has to phone home, you can install whenever and however.

Chris Priestly wrote...
Release Control (does not use securom)
     
. It does not install anything to the PC.
      . Sole purpose is to
check with a server to validate whether the game release date has
passed or not. 
      . It completely removes itself after the game
release date has passed. 
      . You will not be able to play until
that date has passed.
      . Dates & times are set to the
retail street date per country.

So if (for example) the store that you ordered from were to deliver the product a day early (the EA store sometimes does this) you wouldn't be able to play the game until the street release?

Modifié par In Exile, 31 janvier 2011 - 09:46 .

[Brockololly]

Ryzaki wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Select period of days = how many days?

I'm curious as well.

What I want to know is what happens if for whatever reason after a "Select period of days" you cannot get internet access- are you just not allowed to play the game? Does it just lock you out? Is there some sort of software thats tracking that time?

[Cyr8]

Yeah, I want to know how we'll be able to play the game in 20 years if the checks are there. In other words, Bioware/EA, will you release a patch sometime down the line that removes the DRM?

[Kloreep]

MarchWaltz wrote...

So if I want to install the game on my main machine and my laptop, just in case I have to play it on the lap top for some reason, I have to do within 24 hours?

No, it's the reverse. Only 5 machines within a span of 24 hours. 24 hours after the last time you installed DA2, you're good to go and install it on another 5.

[DalishRanger]

No disc check? Awesome! The online verification/check doesn't sound like a big deal to me; our Internet rarely kicks out here, though I imagine it might be a tad annoying for the check to kick in on the rare occasion I don't have Internet access. It's not that big of a deal to me, though.

MarchWaltz wrote...

So if I want to install the game on my main machine and my laptop, just in case I have to play it on the lap top for some reason, I have to do within 24 hours?

Not quite. You simply can't install DA2 on more than 5 computers within a 24 hour period. That doesn't mean you must install it on the computers you want it on within one day.

Edit: 'd

Modifié par DalishRanger, 31 janvier 2011 - 09:43 .

[Khayness]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Release Control (does not use securom)

I love it. It sounds somewhat familiar.

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...
What I want to know is what happens if for whatever reason after a "Select period of days" you cannot get internet access- are you just not allowed to play the game? Does it just lock you out? Is there some sort of software thats tracking that time?

It probably works like a timed login screen. It will probably not start unless it gets the OK from the server.

I wonder if the game does this automatically whenever you start it up if you have an active internet connection. While that might help to push the deadline back... it could also crash the servers.

[Bullets McDeath]

EDIT: NEVERMIND, sorry, ha.

I cannot brain today. I have the dumb.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 31 janvier 2011 - 09:50 .

[ilPianiste]

If there won't be DRM-software like securom that's a good thing.



But the necessity of a regular(?) "login check" is not, obviously.



Still not 100% clear to me is if according to this EULA (of DA2) EA "grants" the customer of the game the right to sell it used. While the passage ...

"The serial code provided with this Software will be verified during Authentication. Authentication is limited to one EA Account per serial code. Accordingly, this Software is not transferable once Authenticated."

... seems to state clearly that such a thing shall be prohibited, people on Amazon who were discussing the DRM of "Dead Space 2" - which some people HERE have said to be "the same" - claimed it to be possible to "un-register" the game from an account. After which the already once put to use serial code could be used once more on a new account ... ?

[jontepwn]

Well, doesn't appear to be too restrictive so it's all good. I guess we should be grateful for no Securom or any of that sort. Good on you Bioware!

[FieryDove]

Fernando Melo wrote...

How many days can you be offline?
We'll have more info on this closer to release.  Not trying to avoid the question, we honestly have not settled on this yet - but also did not want to further delay getting the rest of the information out to you.  

If it has to be -once every 30 days...please!

[-Zorph-]

So after initial install, you don't need the disk to play anymore? Just the online checks?



Also, sounds like the Steam version would be easier to deal with. Am I right in believe this?

[Brockololly]

-Zorph- wrote...

So after initial install, you don't need the disk to play anymore? Just the online checks?

Also, sounds like the Steam version would be easier to deal with. Am I right in believe this?

Yeah, until we know more about how often you have to log in and all that, the Steam version seems most convenient, IMO anyway.

[Addai]

The occasional login check could be really annoying if you sit down to play during server down time.

[Atomatic1]

-Zorph- wrote...

So after initial install, you don't need the disk to play anymore? Just the online checks?

Also, sounds like the Steam version would be easier to deal with. Am I right in believe this?

After installing you can set steam to offline mode and never have to worry about an internet connection.

[Jazharah]

Fernando Melo wrote...
A couple quick points:

How many days can you be offline?
We'll have more info on this closer to release.  Not trying to avoid the question, we honestly have not settled on this yet - but also did not want to further delay getting the rest of the information out to you.  

Hope that helps.

I'm already happy to hear this! Thank you!
From a player's view, I'd recommend those 'couple of days' to be about a week or longer. One thing that bothers me a lot on DA:O (and ME2) is that every time I start up the game there is this lag in the main menu while the game logs in to my account where I can't resume my last save. ME2 just makes everything unclickable while it logs in to Cerberus Network, DA:O will give me a message "I have to be logged in to play because of my DLC" before I can resume. It's irritating. I understand the want to secure the game against piracy (even though it doesn't really help) if only for the illusion of security, and don't mind showing EA/BW that I'm all happy and legit - it's just that if it happens too frequently (like with DA:O especially), I start off annoyed before I'm in the game itself.

Hence: please make that check no more often than once a week since my last authentication and/or official DLC installation. Thanks

Modifié par Jazharah, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:22 .

[DadeLeviathan]

I don't know if I'm surprised or relieved that this hasn't turned into a "I hate DRM Flame-Fest." I think a bit of both.



That aside, sounds like good, reasonable measures. I'm glad to see that DRM, at least with Bioware, is going towards the route of "reasonable" and no longer, "Punish the customers."

[Mage One]

I'm not happy with this. The no-disk check thing is nice, but disk checks were never a big deal for me. I don't like the fact that my game will have to phone home every couple days to make sure I legitimately own it or that I have to have a Bioware account to be able to play the game at all. I have one, I use it, but I don't like the notion of needing to hold an online membership somewhere to play a game I purchased (or licensed) or having to have my game tied to such an account. Also, given my track record with DRM, I know the authentication is going to break on me at some point and the game is going to tell me I don't actually own it requiring me to spend hours (or, as on rare occasions, days) trying to convince it that no, I really do.

One question, does the game tie itself permanently to our Bioware account, then? If so, does this mean we will not be able to resell the game?

As it stands, I'm on the fence, now. I'll have to mull over it a bit to come to a decision as to whether or not I'm going to cancel my pre-order, which is really sad. I was really looking forward to the game. Really, I still am.

Edited slightly to reduce the potetial of undesired discussion as defined by the OP.

Modifié par Mage One, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:25 .

[Jazharah]

Mage One wrote...
One question, does the game tie itself permanently to our Bioware account, then? If so, does this mean we will not be able to make use of our right of first sale/resell the game?

You are always able to unregister a game from your account as far as I know - DLC is another story. So you should be fine in the resell department.

[aries1001]

So does this mean that you have to be online all the time e.g. do you need to have an active internet connection at all times when you're going to play your game? I might be reading too much into it, but I clearly feel that this is the subtext behind this -ahem- info. And this info on DRM does apply to EA store as well; I'd guess.

As for the online checks, I'm guessing it is to make sure that we still have an original copy of the game? Let me then ask you this: If, during the time, when we play offline install dlc, how will the server know this. Obviously, we'll need to be onlibe to download dlc, but after install and activating dlc, we can still play offline. My question is really this: Will the server be able to acknowledge that we have installed original dlc or will it go haywire, thinking we've done something we shouldn't.

As for DA2 being able to be played 20 years from now, no one really knows how gaming will look like twenty years from now. Maybe we'll have gigantic holodecks just like in Star Trek...

As for the phoning principle, I'm not that keen on it. However, I find it more and more irritating to get the discs out to play games. So plus for the no disc in the drive, and a minus for logging in to the account after a specific period of time. Maybe this will be done the same way like in DA: Origins?

Edit:

As it stands now, it is only if choose to play offline you will have to log into your Bioware(EA) account. At least that's how I read Priestly's message.

Modifié par aries1001, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:35 .

[BigJas]

Absafraginlootly wrote...

Hi, thanks for info, I just have one question.

Edit: My question answered with "we don't know yet".

New question: Will the having to login every few days be a temperary thing, to sort of hold off the pirates for a few days while people buy copies and eventually be removed in a patch?

Because it would seem pointless to me to still be having disk checks a year from now, since it will only effect the nice people who actually bought it, and may cause people who were thinking of buying it to illegally download to avoid the fuss.

I doubt it will be a temporary measure. The original Mass Effect was released over two years ago and I believe it still requires activation. I'm only going by the patch release notes so please correct me if my information is out of date.

I have to admit I'm disappointed with the authentication after x days. Thanks for the clarification though.

Edit: I imagine it will be patched out eventually but don't hold your breath

Modifié par BigJas, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:41 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

the_one_54321 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
If you do not have an internet connection nowadays, at least every few days, you should not be playing video games.

Period.

The only reason you aren't getting mobbed by angry responses is because the people that would want to point out how ridiculous that statment is don't have a constant internet connection to be posting on the forums with.

People complaining about the case simply did not catch up with nowadays' games. Back in the times where internet was expensive, hardly available and in general, very rare, something like DRM would be bad for customers. 

It's 2011 now. I can't play games with my 5 year old graphics card either. You either catch up or get lost on the way...and you will not be missed.