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[MDarwin]

JigPig wrote...

MDarwin wrote...

I once left my comp on. Boy was I unkucky on that night. Since than, if I don't wanna use the net, I switch the modem off.

MDarwin wrote...


The only program I will allow to excess the net (on it's own), is my Antivirus program. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about please stop.

Well, that's me! What can I say! Smarty you!

[MDarwin]

AlanC9 wrote...

MDarwin wrote...

I once left my comp on. Boy was I unkucky on that night. Since than, if I don't wanna use the net, I switch the modem off.

What kind of unlucky are we talking about here, anyway?

Well, it was a damn logger/spam program which got in. My machine run with a lot of slag, programs just didn't "fire up". And stupid Norton, didn't recognized any of it. So I fdisked my machine and crossed my fingers on re-installing everything.

Just all save stuff I done for my NWN mods and my 3d programs was gone. Back than I had only 1 comp. Now I got 2. Just in case. Plus, whatever else I lost on that machine. 

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

- Buy a game honestly
- Crack it
- Profit?

Eh, sometimes I am glad that I live in a cold barbaric homophobial country. At least when someone tries to take your money here and penetrate you same time, he get's beaten with a club.
Not that DA2 seems really bad with it's DRM, that you don't need to have a disc in PC and everything, but checking on me like I am some kind of thief under house arrest "Now let's see if you were a good boy and can play game you bought, please plug in modem and click here and here.." still makes me keep my club near me.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 03 février 2011 - 09:56 .

[DJBare]

Gaider is correct, this has nothing to do with piracy, it has everything to do with gaming companies(theres more than one) keeping a tight reign on their customers, no consumer should support DRM, go along with it sure, but not support it openly, I'm still getting the game because I pre-ordered before this information became available, so forgive me for not getting in bended knees and thanking them for this wonderful DRM, I know what I will be doing.

[neuhikari]

I'm not good with this things so this means that even I go to the shop phisically and I buy my game there not digitaly etc.. then it will be like Fallout new vegas?

when I tried to install that game it didn't work let's just say the steam system was screwing with me I know one or two things  how to install things but that system is awful anyway when I tried the 5th time I gave up and downloaded the cr*ck*d version that let me decide things not the other way around.

So it won't be like the other games of bioware like the first dragon age I mean the install?

[BloodthirsterLegion]

perhaps this has already been answered... but how is DLC going to work for DA2? Are we still going to be using Bioware points to purchase add ons similar to the way it was with ME2 and Dragon Age?

oh, and what differences will Steam versions and non-Steam versions have? Will DLC be more difficult with Steam?

Modifié par BloodthirsterLegion, 03 février 2011 - 12:21 .

[Tin Soldier]

I have a question for anyone who works for EA/Bioware.
In Mr. Priestly's original post ther is the following line:
- There is a limit to the number of unique/different PCs that can start/play the game within a time window [5 PCs in 24hrs].
Does this only apply to installing the game? 

[Noviere]

To me, this DRM seems reasonable. I don't like DRM, but let's face facts... It's a part of this industry(despite a few exceptions). This seems minimally invasive.

[ninnisinni97]

Well, I for one would be VERY relieved if the "connect every 10 days" thing was removed completely.

But anyways, this DRM sure doesn't sound nearly as bad as a lot of solutions we gamers have had to suffer lately (not from BioWare though, thankfully...).

[Katorskay]

Chris Priestly wrote...

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

I'm done with this. I don't care if it's even once a year, this is just screwing over paying customers. I'm glad that I still have time to cancel my pre-order.

I mean the massive amounts of Day one DLC is one thing, and now this.

Screw it, not getting another dime out of me.

Modifié par Katorskay, 03 février 2011 - 01:26 .

[Oppopji]

"Online activation/authentication" DRM is coming to consoles:

PS3 Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 slapped with strict DRM

And if they put up with this like PC users have then it's only a matter of time before it becomes commonplace on consoles too.

Modifié par Oppopji, 03 février 2011 - 01:39 .

[Monica83]

DRM is annoying and useless i should warn bioware..

Remember what's happened with spore.. High DRM protection...Best pirated game of the year of release..

[Pinstripe666]

Question: The game needs you to check online authentication every few days, is the Disc in the drive for this needed?

[Haussier]

Oppopji wrote...

"Online activation/authentication" DRM is coming to consoles:

PS3 Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 slapped with strict DRM

And if they put up with this like PC users have then it's only a matter of time before it becomes commonplace on consoles too.

Well thats actually impressive. I mean I'll never ever purchase a console game with drm that requires an interenet connection. But still it's impressive that they would throw their game away like that heh.

To be honest i'm still buying da2 despite the drm (I respect bioware to much to abandon them for this transgression). I would be surprised if most people don't just get the cracked version instead. 

Modifié par Haussier, 03 février 2011 - 03:47 .

[wyvvern]

People who believe this is about piracy are missing the point.

This is NOT about preventing piracy. The initial authentication would be more than sufficient to activate a legit copy of the game and deter (as much as can be) zero day/casual piracy. Once you've proven you're not a pirate, it makes no sense to have to keep doing it.

So why, then, do we have to 'check in' with EA servers every X number of days?

I can think of only two reasons that make actual sense: telemetry, and ads.

EA would have to pay a marketing research company a small fortune to get the kind of fine-grained telemetry data they've gotten from DA:O and ME. (And of course it's opt out, not opt in.) Most companies would kill to have access to such info, and they sell it to us as the 'cerebus network' and we cheer.

And of course, if you don't log in regularly, they can't advertize their brand new DLC to you (I love my "witch hunt" launch screen!) EA learned from the Sims that you cannot beat directly pushing ads into people's games.

By ensuring people -have- to log in regularly in order to play the game they already paid for, they're ensuring they can collect data and push ads.

Will they lose sales over this? Yes. I'm guessing that they've made a cost/benefit analysis and determined that the value of the above is worth more to the company than the percentage of lost sales.

My two cents.

Modifié par wyvvern, 03 février 2011 - 03:56 .

[Elsariel]

Oppopji wrote...

"Online activation/authentication" DRM is coming to consoles:

PS3 Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 slapped with strict DRM

And if they put up with this like PC users have then it's only a matter of time before it becomes commonplace on consoles too.

Wow... console games with DRM?  That's..... very depressing.

[kgersen]

wyvvern wrote...
I can think of only two reasons that make actual sense: telemetry, and ads.

I think you forgot the main reason :  Make the game impossible to re-sale or to buy used.

[kgersen]

Elsariel wrote...
Wow... console games with DRM?  That's..... very depressing.

Sadly that's nothing new, PSN, Xbox live and Virtual Console were already full of DRM

[Lewandowski13]

Thanks very much for the DRM info!!!    

[wyvvern]

kgersen wrote...

wyvvern wrote...
I can think of only two reasons that make actual sense: telemetry, and ads.

I think you forgot the main reason :  Make the game impossible to re-sale or to buy used.

Nah - that's why they tie it to one account. But that could be done without phoning in to the server every X days.

Mind you I agree that they do want to make an end run around the First Sale doctrine. That's a class Action lawsuit waiting to happen, IMO. Only remains to be seen which actual game company gets slammed with it.

Modifié par wyvvern, 03 février 2011 - 04:11 .

[ColGali]

Hey Guys! Somebody please tell me if DA2 drm is for xbox too, or just PC? Y/N? Thank you!

[Rawrness13]

Good call on the no-disc bit.

[Eurypterid]

ColGali wrote...

Hey Guys! Somebody please tell me if DA2 drm is for xbox too, or just PC? Y/N? Thank you!

No. PC only.

[ColGali]

Thx for the answer!!

Eurypterid wrote...

ColGali wrote...

Hey Guys! Somebody please tell me if DA2 drm is for xbox too, or just PC? Y/N? Thank you!

No. PC only.

[In Exile]

Seifz wrote...
Effectively, it can.  For example, consider the right to resell the game that is granted me by the First Sale doctrine.  Once I've tired my serial code to my EA account, I cannot resell the game without first removing that tie.  However, EA provides no way to do this and states in the EULA that the serial code (and thus the game) cannot be transfered.  What are my options?  I can either accept the loss of my rights or I can hire a lawyer and try to take on EA.  Effectively, I have no options.  Maybe you can afford the court costs of such a battle, but I certainly can't.

Actually, what you would do in this case is file a class action since it would be easy to certify a class in this case (lost income from resale of the game) and find a lawyer to take it on a contigency fee. Your legal costs would be zero, you (if you are right) have a strong legal justification for the suit in court, and there will be a sufficient payoff for the lawyer to take your case.

So you have legal recourse. Of course, this post is not legal advice in any way.