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[Arllekin]

Chris Priestly wrote...
- No disc check, you do not need the disc in drive to play.

I was thinking in buying the Digital version because of that, but without the disck check i might buy the box

[Maconbar]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I've already got in on pre-order. I'm not a fan of DRM in general, but online DRM is no different from a disc check. A disc check is only slightly inconvenient in that I need the disc, on online registration and check-ins don't inconvenience me at all. The only problem I have with it at all is the idea that EA doesn't trust me, which makes me oh so sad indeed.

A disk check is different because if you purchased the game, you are guaranteed to have the disk. Not the same can be said for an internet connection. So a disk check would likely be less of an inconvinience to someone without internet than an online authentication would be.

But it's much more convenient for someone that doesn't want to bother with a disk check after installation. Also disks do fail on occasion.

[z3razerviper]

Is it basically the same drm the ea store version of dragon age 1 used? I know that one had the 5 machine in 24 hours thing as well.

OI really would like to see a clear sunset path laid out.

Modifié par z3razerviper, 01 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maconbar wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I've already got in on pre-order. I'm not a fan of DRM in general, but online DRM is no different from a disc check. A disc check is only slightly inconvenient in that I need the disc, on online registration and check-ins don't inconvenience me at all. The only problem I have with it at all is the idea that EA doesn't trust me, which makes me oh so sad indeed.

A disk check is different because if you purchased the game, you are guaranteed to have the disk. Not the same can be said for an internet connection. So a disk check would likely be less of an inconvinience to someone without internet than an online authentication would be.

But it's much more convenient for someone that doesn't want to bother with a disk check after installation. Also disks do fail on occasion.

Discs are much more likely to get lost, broken, or just degraded from the passage of time. Chris (or another BioWare poster, can't remember who) said that EA has plans in place to ensure that their games will always be playable. I'd say that being online is much safer for the longevity of the game than just using the disc. But people's PERCEPTIONS are such that they'll QQ about it.

[deuce985]

Great news. I have no problem with any of this DRM. Just as long as it doesn't install spyware/virus, I'm fine by the online checks/EA account.

[Erode_The_Soul]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

But it's much more convenient for someone that doesn't want to bother with a disk check after installation. Also disks do fail on occasion.

Discs are much more likely to get lost, broken, or just degraded from the passage of time. Chris (or another BioWare poster, can't remember who) said that EA has plans in place to ensure that their games will always be playable. I'd say that being online is much safer for the longevity of the game than just using the disc. But people's PERCEPTIONS are such that they'll QQ about it.

Yes, it might be more convenient for you, but I thought people were confused as to why there were concerns about what's outlined here. Not everyone has the ability to get online, so online verifications can become incredibly inconvenient. A disk check, on the other hand, is less inconvenient to a user without the ability to get online because all they need is the disk -- which comes with the game they just purchased, unlike stable internet connections.

Personally, now that I know the Steam version will be left alone, I'm not too concerned with the outlined DRM. But I can certainly understand why some people might be unhappy.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 01 février 2011 - 05:51 .

[z3razerviper]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I've already got in on pre-order. I'm not a fan of DRM in general, but online DRM is no different from a disc check. A disc check is only slightly inconvenient in that I need the disc, on online registration and check-ins don't inconvenience me at all. The only problem I have with it at all is the idea that EA doesn't trust me, which makes me oh so sad indeed.

A disk check is different because if you purchased the game, you are guaranteed to have the disk. Not the same can be said for an internet connection. So a disk check would likely be less of an inconvinience to someone without internet than an online authentication would be.

But it's much more convenient for someone that doesn't want to bother with a disk check after installation. Also disks do fail on occasion.

Discs are much more likely to get lost, broken, or just degraded from the passage of time. Chris (or another BioWare poster, can't remember who) said that EA has plans in place to ensure that their games will always be playable. I'd say that being online is much safer for the longevity of the game than just using the disc. But people's PERCEPTIONS are such that they'll QQ about it.

Part of peoples perception isbecause ea's (not biowares) support of thier games & online services in the past has been spotty at best. It's gotten better lately but I think they really need to set a time limit. Of say 2 years before patching this stuff out. After 2 years they have made their money back many times over.

[Reaverwind]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Discs are much more likely to get lost, broken, or just degraded from the passage of time. Chris (or another BioWare poster, can't remember who) said that EA has plans in place to ensure that their games will always be playable. I'd say that being online is much safer for the longevity of the game than just using the disc. But people's PERCEPTIONS are such that they'll QQ about it.

Oh, really? Setting aside the privacy issues, EA servers are behind the curveball. How long do you think it'll take before your EA account gets hacked like all those Blizzard accounts because of some trojan embedded in a DLC you installed?

[prsquared]

Chris Priestly wrote...


Release Control (does not use securom)
      . It does not install anything to the PC.
      . Sole purpose is to check with a server to validate whether the game release date has passed or not. 
      . It completely removes itself after the game release date has passed. 
      . You will not be able to play until that date has passed.
      . Dates & times are set to the retail street date per country.

Can someone explain to me how Digital download works? I've bought the game from EA store.
Does this mean I'll be able to download the game a few days before it's released?

[Cyr8]

Unlike some people here, I think this DRM solution is pretty reasonable. But I still think it weird how sometimes it seems like PC devs are actively trying to kill PC gaming.

[Morroian]

prsquared wrote...

Can someone explain to me how Digital download works? I've bought the game from EA store.
Does this mean I'll be able to download the game a few days before it's released?

Maybe, I know it happens sometimes on Steam, you won't be able to play it until the official release date though it will be locked until then.

[mesmerizedish]

Reaverwind wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Discs are much more likely to get lost, broken, or just degraded from the passage of time. Chris (or another BioWare poster, can't remember who) said that EA has plans in place to ensure that their games will always be playable. I'd say that being online is much safer for the longevity of the game than just using the disc. But people's PERCEPTIONS are such that they'll QQ about it.

Oh, really? Setting aside the privacy issues, EA servers are behind the curveball. How long do you think it'll take before your EA account gets hacked like all those Blizzard accounts because of some trojan embedded in a DLC you installed?

I don't think my EA account will ever get hacked. And people rarely actually have any reasonable expectation of privacy. Once again, people's perceptions overpower the truth.

[mesmerizedish]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...
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Yes, it might be more convenient for you, but I thought people were confused as to why there were concerns about what's outlined here. Not everyone has the ability to get online, so online verifications can become incredibly inconvenient. A disk check, on the other hand, is less inconvenient to a user without the ability to get online because all they need is the disk -- which comes with the game they just purchased, unlike stable internet connections.

Personally, now that I know the Steam version will be left alone, I'm not too concerned with the outlined DRM. But I can certainly understand why some people might be unhappy.

"Stable internet connection." That term is being thrown around a lot in this thread. You don't need a "stable" connection. You need to be able to connect to the internet for thirty seconds every so many days. Granted, some people just don't have any internet at all. I didn't for some time. But, you know what? This is 2011. At this point, complaining about not being able to play the game because you don't have internet is like complaining ten years ago about not being able to play because you don't have a computer. At this point, it is a very reasonable business stance to say that most people have the internet, so it's alright to require the internet to play a game.

[Seifz]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...
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Yes, it might be more convenient for you, but I thought people were confused as to why there were concerns about what's outlined here. Not everyone has the ability to get online, so online verifications can become incredibly inconvenient. A disk check, on the other hand, is less inconvenient to a user without the ability to get online because all they need is the disk -- which comes with the game they just purchased, unlike stable internet connections.

Personally, now that I know the Steam version will be left alone, I'm not too concerned with the outlined DRM. But I can certainly understand why some people might be unhappy.

"Stable internet connection." That term is being thrown around a lot in this thread. You don't need a "stable" connection. You need to be able to connect to the internet for thirty seconds every so many days. Granted, some people just don't have any internet at all. I didn't for some time. But, you know what? This is 2011. At this point, complaining about not being able to play the game because you don't have internet is like complaining ten years ago about not being able to play because you don't have a computer. At this point, it is a very reasonable business stance to say that most people have the internet, so it's alright to require the internet to play a game.

That's crap.  There's no reason to require an Internet connection for a single-player game.  None.  There are plenty of reasons why one might be without an Internet connection for a period of time greater than X.

1.  Active military members.
2.  Long trips to visit family overseas, or to vacation.
3.  No personal connection because of location.
4.  A storm knocked out the local gateway.
5.  The provider just sucks.

Besides that, I very much want to know precisely what information they're collecting to determine which PC I'm using.  If it's anything more than my MAC, they're collecting too much information.  If it's just my MAC, that's incredibly easy to spoof.  Either way, the system is not consumer-friendly.

Hopefully we'll get some more answers tomorrow.  I guess we still have another month to get this system fixed before launch.

[Arllekin]

prsquared wrote...

Can someone explain to me how Digital download works? I've bought the game from EA store.
Does this mean I'll be able to download the game a few days before it's released?

Yes, you don't have to wait the release to start downloading the game, you can pre-loaded and wait March 8

[AlanC9]

Seifz wrote...
There's no reason to require an Internet connection for a single-player game.  None. 

Really? EA seems to think there's a reason. You're not actually saying that this is happening because some of their programmers just decided to screw with people out of sheer evilness, are you?

[In Exile]

Seifz wrote...
That's crap.  There's no reason to require an Internet connection for a single-player game.  None.

DRM is a reason. Obviously I am nit-picking, but the issue people seem to have is not that there is no reason for it, but that there are better ways toward the end result (i.e. reasonable protection of the IP).

Hopefully we'll get some more answers tomorrow.  I guess we still have another month to get this system fixed before launch.

The only thing that could budge EA is incredible consumer outcry. If you want the DRM to change, I'd get to work on petitions, etc.

Modifié par In Exile, 01 février 2011 - 07:24 .

[Mage One]

It's sad to see so many people saying "Everyone has internet these days and if you don't, you're behind the times and shouldn't play. Tough luck." Last I heard, the US was ranked somewhere between fifteenth and twentieth place globally as regards internet penetration with a penetration rate of just under 80%. That means over 20% of people in the US don't have access to the internet at all. Broadband penetration is even worse. There are a significant number of people without access to the internet, and pretending they're all Luddites or deliberately staying behind the times is just inaccurate.



Anyway, thank you for letting us know what the DRM is planned to be. I forgot to thank you in my first post, and I apologize for that. I wish I could have known sooner, but I'm glad I know before launch. I'm also glad to know the activation requirement will eventually be patched out, but I hope you'll understand when I say "eventually" is a small comfort, considering you said all Bioware games have sunset plans for their online activations, yet Mass Effect has yet to reach its sunset. I hope things change, but I'm afraid canceling my pre-order and waiting to buy the game further down the line is beginning to look like the more favorable option.

[In Exile]

Mage One wrote...

It's sad to see so many people saying "Everyone has internet these days and if you don't, you're behind the times and shouldn't play. Tough luck." Last I heard, the US was ranked somewhere between fifteenth and twentieth place globally as regards internet penetration with a penetration rate of just under 80%. That means over 20% of people in the US don't have access to the internet at all. Broadband penetration is even worse. There are a significant number of people without access to the internet, and pretending they're all Luddites or deliberately staying behind the times is just inaccurate.

It's a reasonable question to ask who plays video-games and does not have an active internet connection. That's what EA would care about re: the DRM impact, not what the actual prevalence of internet access is, since many people who have internet access would never purchase a video-game to start with.

[Spawny]

Not happy, I register on line when I install and that should be all that's needed and worry for reasons that keep getting stated all through this thread. It would be nice to know when the sunset plan is due for this.. if it's true about ME still needing it, well that is not promising.

[Unato]

well ME1 was released in 2008 and to this day I still have to authorize when i want to play and remember to de authorize when I don't least my comp goes up in flames and I lose 1 activation. I don't support any drm with a dial home mechanism so I guess it's time to cause some ruckus around the various gaming website. nothing will change if we just sit idle

[Fraevar]

Fernando Melo wrote...

Apologies if I'm not making it clear enough- this system operates essentially just like steam, but with offline mode ON by default.  If you have a trip coming up, just login again before you travel - the clock will reset again, just like steam.

The difference being that once games are authenticated, Steam can run in offline mode forever and if the computer in question is never online, then it will never demand you go online at any point. (If you keep the PC completely off the internet then the Steam client cannot know if it has a new version).

[uberdowzen]

I was all for this...up until I saw the having to check in after a set number of days. That's what Crysis Warhead did and I never played that game because I could never be bother connecting to the internet to authenticate. Please, just let us register the key on Steam. Or let us have the disc in the drive to bypass the online DRM altogether.

[DJBare]

- You can play offline but the game will require a login check after a select period of days.

So let me see, I've purchased a disk which becomes my property, I've purchased a license to play the game stored on that disk, but I still get treated like a criminal?

Bioware, I'm still getting your game and I realise you need to protect your IP, but please come up with a better solution that does NOT involve treating your customers like criminals!

[TheBabeLover]

I'm fine with this DRM, except for the release date validation. I get the game one day before it's released. Bummer. Guess I HAVE to wait one more day to play it.