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[Maugrim]

elearon1 wrote...

Couldn't it at least have been OPEN BETA? Come on, seriously, what kind of announcement is Closed Beta? That's like saying they changed the locks on the doors.

LOL

I'll be honest I doubt my disappointment would've been any different but this is so true.  I wonder just how closed this beta is truly going to be.

EDIT: Mods are volunteers, you don't have to agree with em but you better respect them.  I hope my attempt to do so comes through most of the time I know I can be a PITA

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 02 février 2011 - 02:22 .

[OSUfan12121]

Nah lock one thread and 10 more spring up, better to let us all vent in one space.

[marshalleck]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Am I the only one without Facebook and, therefore, couldn't give less than two craps about some random flash game?

Nope, same here. Don't really care about Legends at all. I'm not even interested in making a dummy FB account to play it. 

[crimzontearz]

Pacifien wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Surely you can understand their desire to move this "feedback" quarantine to the forum where discussions go to die. Out of sight, out of mind. 

Of course, they could have the volunteer mod Pacifien do it so Bioware themselves skirt the actual responsibility. 

Volunteer mod Pacifien would have locked the other thread early on and would lock this thread, too, but volunteer mod Pacifien doesn't get everything she wants.

Volunteer mod Pacifien thinks the Off Topic forum should be used more often as well.

you're a GIRL??????

[Uhh.. Jonah]

elearon1 wrote...

Couldn't it at least have been OPEN BETA? Come on, seriously, what kind of announcement is Closed Beta? That's like saying they changed the locks on the doors.

LMFAO.

[yogolol]

Realranger55 wrote...

Locking threads is an odd thing to take pleasure in. I always find it strange to see the way some mod's lock down threads, there is a discussion going on here that a lot of people seem pretty interested in, leave it be.

Chris seems to have an orgasum whenever he locks a thread, LOCKDOOOWN!!!!!

[Alexius]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Am I the only one without Facebook and, therefore, couldn't give less than two craps about some random flash game?

No. And there's no way a flash game will seduce me into creating an account.

[marquiseondore]

I would have been satisfied if they just announced who the principal VA's are.

[wulfsturm]

Keep it on topic guys, I agree with your comments but I don't want this thread locked down.

[Count Viceroy]

crimzontearz wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Surely you can understand their desire to move this "feedback" quarantine to the forum where discussions go to die. Out of sight, out of mind. 

Of course, they could have the volunteer mod Pacifien do it so Bioware themselves skirt the actual responsibility. 

Volunteer mod Pacifien would have locked the other thread early on and would lock this thread, too, but volunteer mod Pacifien doesn't get everything she wants.

Volunteer mod Pacifien thinks the Off Topic forum should be used more often as well.

you're a GIRL??????

Well duh.

[SkylinePigeon]

Malanek999 wrote...

Hold on, you're not saying that gameplay changes are less important than not screwing up the marketing are you?

This is not that big a deal. If DA2 rocks, I couldn't care less about this.

Nope, just simply trying to say that normally I'm pretty level headed and positive, even when a lot of people aren't, but this pissed me off.  Nothing sums it up better than "the cake is a lie"--something awesome is coming just wait!  Oh wait, no, here let us direct you into a fire.

My general stance on DAII is that I think it will be good, but  even if it sucks, DAO is still awesome and I haven't gotten tired of it yet.  Nothing can ruin that first game.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

This whole situation makes me feel like a dick too.  I should be cheering on the dudes and chicks that made Legends.  But no.  The way this was handled made a raincloud in my heart.

:mellow:

[Encarmine]

Hello, So far ive just recently got into Dragon Age and im looking foward to DA:2, my only dissapointment, is, How much money do you guys think I have>? And whats with the over the top exclusive DLC

I mean, if i want extra shields and a dog or somthing, i need your pre ordered Signiture Addition, which in Australia is over $100. Then If i want other interesting Items, i need to join a facebook group.
Then I read I get another DLC character if I buy Dead Space 2..

Do you see what I mean? Just by the way marketing is, you make people feel like their game will be 'missing' somthing unless we unload a serious amount of money your way? Ive read about the new business model in the videogames industry, the whole 'take a $50 dollar sale and turn it into a $500 dollar sale' But i just think you guys are being a tad blatent about it.

[wolfsite]

wulfsturm wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Except you haven't even gotten that, yet.

And Pacifen - yes, this is absolutely DA2 related.  DA:A gave us all a card telling us 2-1-11 was important.  We've been speculating for months about what it could be, with that speculation and excitement only ramping up recently.  That culminated in a - apparently, bogus - announcement of a demo.  

Not one person from Bioware ever said no demo, or sorry, 2-1-11 is wrong, not important anymore, or otherwise helped us out.  To the contrary, they led us on with their remarks.

Now, having heard today's announcement about DA:L being in beta testing - still - we are now discussing our thoughts about DA2 and it's marketing.

Sure seems DA2 related to me, since without DA2, and that card, 2-1-11 would have been meaningless to us.

Agreed, as far as I'm concerned it now falls under being a lie of omission.

After looking at some threads from the past few months it appears that the flier was about DA2 but it was delayed to March, hell the recent thread that got necroed was from 7 months ago and even there it was stated it got delayed.

Shame people can't have half the patience and understanding that Valve fans have, hell they were promised episodic Half-Life games every 6 months and the time between 2-3 has been close to 4 or so years at least (Frankly when was the last time they made a initial release date at all?).

Anyway people should just call it a night, hell I have seen many questions about a demo and such answered the problem is people feel they are so entitled to the stuff they need to lash out at anyone and anything.  Honestly take 10 minutes, calm down then look back at the posts.... in the grand scheme of things was all that anger and garbage that has been spewed really worth the time and effort, and over something like a game demo?

[Revan312]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Am I the only one without Facebook and, therefore, couldn't give less than two craps about some random flash game?

I'm actually part of the Anti-Facebook League of Intelligentsia, so no, your not alone..

Modifié par Revan312, 02 février 2011 - 02:25 .

[The Gentle Ben]

If people truly wish to be antagonized, I believe this post regarding the Awakening leaflet is the most worthy target:

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Oh, we've got a few tricks planned. And if I get my way, you'll hear some female Hawke before that date.

I think this needs to be cleared up, I think what Mike Laidlaw meant to say is they have a lot planned for the next month and why wouldnt they as it is the month before release and time to drive the hype into overtime, that being said I doubt they actually have anything huge planned for the 1st of February as the date contained in Awakenings was most likely Bioware jumping the gun on the release date.

I think what Gandalf meant to say that I meant to say was that "Bioware's got a few tricks planned." *nodnod*

Based on current knowledge it seems Mr. Fabulous was essentially correct in his suppositions yet was directly contradicted. It seems quite predictable/understandable for people's expectation levels to be raised in light of such Developer comments. If the DA:L beta transition was indeed the intended "trick" then that is predictably underwhelming and therefore potentially ire-worthy. If plans merely fell through then some acknowledgement and transparency would seem to have been the proper approach.

But whateva. *shrug*

Modifié par The Gentle Ben, 02 février 2011 - 02:27 .

[JaylaClark]

I hereby classify what has transpired as that phenomenon known as 'hype fail'.

An example of an earlier one -- In WCW, in 2000, there was an announcement for a big ... announcement, at a pay-per-view.  And there was much hype about this big event, which history later suggested was supposed to be the introduction of the new for-real owners of the company, ClearChannel if memory serves.

But the deal fell through, so they had to deliver something.  And they delivered... exactly what fans did not want to see, Bill Goldberg turning heel.  The only reason why buyrates and ratings didn't plummet was because there wasn't that far to plummet at the time.  (I choose not to mention the fate of said company only because I don't want to be that alarmist and appear to be invoking that much of a comparison.)

Here seems to be another case, though in my opinion, in context, it's not nearly so epic a fail.  But it definitely is a blatant fail for one reason -- no company hypes in advance a closed beta.  I think I can state that as a fact of the business.  DCUO, when they delayed the release of the game, began hyping the beta at that point, but they didn't promote it as a blind item beforehand.

This by itself doesn't bother me terribly, however, in comparison with the BioWare Bazaar fail last year, I am worried that BioWare is going to lose customers from here who may be seeing a pattern -- the reveal never living up to the hype.

[marshalleck]

The disappointment is not about the demo, it's about how the entire situation was handled.

Modifié par marshalleck, 02 février 2011 - 02:27 .

[SkylinePigeon]

A lot of people have compared this to "Bioware Bazaar" which is something I'm not familiar with. Would someone care to elucidate?

[SkylinePigeon]

marshalleck wrote...

The disappointment is not about the demo, it's about how the entire situation was handled.

Exactly.  No one likes a ****tease

[Citizen Q]

SkylinePigeon wrote...

A lot of people have compared this to "Bioware Bazaar" which is something I'm not familiar with. Would someone care to elucidate?

Indeed, it seems I missed out on this debacle.

[wolfsite]

SkylinePigeon wrote...

A lot of people have compared this to "Bioware Bazaar" which is something I'm not familiar with. Would someone care to elucidate?

That was a bit of a marketing mix up, They wanted to have a bizarre/conest for the community however there were some legal problems with giving away items and such in foreign countries (Taxes etc) so in the end the Bizarre only happenned in the US (With some states excluded due to same legal troubles) this looked like a mixup in legal though.

[OSUfan12121]

I could care less about the demo, i expected something DA2 related today and all we got was the announcement of a flash game that most people dont care about is in closed beta now instead of dark which even less people probably care about.

[marshalleck]

Citizen Q wrote...

SkylinePigeon wrote...

A lot of people have compared this to "Bioware Bazaar" which is something I'm not familiar with. Would someone care to elucidate?

Indeed, it seems I missed out on this debacle.

Oh my. Just 24 hours ago you had Garrus as your avatar, and now it's the rage guy. 

[Malanek]

SkylinePigeon wrote...

A lot of people have compared this to "Bioware Bazaar" which is something I'm not familiar with. Would someone care to elucidate?

There was an amazing announcment to be made on a certain date and some countdown or something was set up. It turned out it was about being able to buy some non-software bioware merchandise or something (I don't understand it completely) and it was only available to people in the US.