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[Saibh]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Do you think if they had made this demo the official announcement (with the same time scale), it could have mitigated the reactions?  Or do you think that would just have annoyed people due to the delay?

I think they ought not to have let us stew over today's date, and simply said "there may or may not be a demo in the works, but there will be no demo tomorrow" or even earlier than that. Rather than let us get hyped. We weren't working ourselves up--well, we were, but they gave us the fuel to begin with. Rather then own up to a series of errors, they just let us get hyped and hyped...and it's no wonder the hype letdown was massive.

But to continuously repeat that today was to be a special date for DA fans, to let that EA newsletter pass by without warning us of a mistake, is just unprofessional and highly disappointing.

[Deremix4]

Appolo90 wrote...

Huzzah! That means more YouTube hits for my DA2 videos.. when I make them!

Will be the most epic demo video ever >_>

You're a gamestop employee? If so, I'll be on the lookout for said videos. 

[KrashLog]

wow, so much drama for (what i consider to be) a good news. 34 days before release, calm down people, it won't be long.

[Citizen Q]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hmmm, Im a Gamestop employee myself and I have reserved a copy of DA2 but there's one problem,Im playing it on PS3 .__. So no demo for me?Well that sucks,so close but so far away >.<

I will gladly take the useless demo key off your hands! Free of Charge even!

[Phazor58]

Saphara wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hmmm, Im a Gamestop employee myself and I have reserved a copy of DA2 but there's one problem,Im playing it on PS3 .__. So no demo for me?Well that sucks,so close but so far away >.<

No computer?  That would suck

Probably just doesn't have a PC capable of running it.  That's probably the case for a lot of Gamestop employees.  A lot of them probably just play console games.

Edit: I used probably 3 times, lol.

Modifié par Phazor58, 02 février 2011 - 05:44 .

[Zombie Jory]

what is the benefit of holding it back from the public? if its ready to play on the 11th.. then release it to everybody on the 11th. Gamestop employees will get it... and so will a million other potential buyers and interested parties.



demos are meant to be shared and not hidden away..

[Fangirl17]

Saphara wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hmmm, Im a Gamestop employee myself and I have reserved a copy of DA2 but there's one problem,Im playing it on PS3 .__. So no demo for me?Well that sucks,so close but so far away >.<

No computer?  That would suck

Well I have a laptop but its a cheap laptop and cant run games very well. But I guess now that you mention it I could go ahead and try anyway.

[Deremix4]

Citizen Q wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hmmm, Im a Gamestop employee myself and I have reserved a copy of DA2 but there's one problem,Im playing it on PS3 .__. So no demo for me?Well that sucks,so close but so far away >.<

I will gladly take the useless demo key off your hands! Free of Charge even!

^This.

[Koffeegirl]

On the bright side, we will get to play the demo on the 23rd. Hopefully, we'll get to the first part of the game and see hawke's family, play with the character creator, meet Flemeth, try all 3 classes, and play around with the dialogue wheel.

[Citizen Q]

Fortlowe wrote...

So is the demo on 2/23 PC exclusive?

Unknown.

This early demo access is being granted to Gamestop employees only. Any
form of distribution, recording, posting of any elements of the Dragon
Age 2 demo and any of its files is strictly prohibited until February
23, 2011 when the demo is made available to all consumers.


Small print from this site...
http://dragonage.bio...estopdemo?code=

[Meltemph]

People were mad because there had been a lot of build up and hype for a closed beta that was already available for a Facebook game. When we were expecting a demo. Many of us would not have been angry if they had simply fessed up earlier that the Awakening leaflet was jumping the gun on the release date. That there was no big announcement, but there would be some news.

But are you literally mad? Or the kind of mad you feel when your team losses to your rivals? Do people really get mad over video game marketing screw-ups? I always figured it was just a form of bloviating, because it is the nature of the internet. I mean, I could understand it was something like "02/01/2011 everyone gets a free puppy" and then come the date nobody gets a puppy... I jsut don't see how it is possible to care that much over something happening on this date.



I guess I'm just "missing the point", cause I really don't get the outcry.

[Saphara]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Saphara wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hmmm, Im a Gamestop employee myself and I have reserved a copy of DA2 but there's one problem,Im playing it on PS3 .__. So no demo for me?Well that sucks,so close but so far away >.<

No computer?  That would suck

Well I have a laptop but its a cheap laptop and cant run games very well. But I guess now that you mention it I could go ahead and try anyway.

Certainly couldnt hurt to try. If it works, you will be the envy of the entire BSN

[KrashLog]

Citizen Q wrote...

I will gladly take the useless demo key off your hands! Free of Charge even!

I see what you did there...

[Fangirl17]

Deremix4 wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hmmm, Im a Gamestop employee myself and I have reserved a copy of DA2 but there's one problem,Im playing it on PS3 .__. So no demo for me?Well that sucks,so close but so far away >.<

I will gladly take the useless demo key off your hands! Free of Charge even!

^This.

Nah,I think I'll try to get it to run on my laptop

[Nayt Navare]

 Well, (puts on wading boots), please allow a self-appointed "logic/civility servant" to address a few issues here, but only after pointing out two things- 1, I am merely trying to respond to EVERYTHING in this thread I've seen, and 2, never take anything I say as judgmental, just reactionary and helpful.  It is my goal, as a soon-to-be-teacher/forum moderator elsewhere/current game store manager/howler monkey to help people be as polite and thoughtful as possible.  Now---
The anger being directed at Bioware, IMHO, is understandable yet ridiculous.  The time of the day not withstanding (how many of you work off the clock?), you cannot expect an immediate response from ANY corporation or business in terms of things like this.  As far as I'm concerned, there is a great deal that should be learned from this to Bioware's marketing department (both the DA Legends fiasco and this Beta), and hopefully, such "miss-steps" will not occur again.  I understand that I have no authority here, but Stanley, John, Chris and whoever else will read this, please understand that we nerds are a fickle and delicate bunch.  While you cannot possibly expect to always please everyone, a lot of fans do not believe that, because as most philosophers would argue (thanks Dr. Plementi from ISU!), to the individual, the individual = truth = majority.  While people are smart enough to understand such a metaphysical equation is false, you hopefully can understand my point.
People will get mad when they think they have been wronged, and a beta to a facebook game when other fans have already been participating will not go over well when average fans have spent MONTHS speculating on what could be.  While I wouldn't ask you to tell fans what will come, I would humbly suggest perhaps a TEENEY bit more interaction with fans, perhaps saying "No, the announcement won't be for a DA2 demo/Not a character reveal/etc" to help avoid situations like this.  Please note, I said "avoid" as we all know things like this WILL happen.
Now, this whole "Kill it with fire!" attitude some people are having is.... wait for it..... understandable.  Yes, I know, shocking, considering I'm playing mucho devils advocate here.
What this revelation sounds like (not IS, but can be interpreted as such) is that Bioware cares more for Gamestop employees/PC users than others.  Of course, that was hardly the intention here.  Whether this was merely a thank you to Gamestop (which the cards clearyly state it is) or merely an attempt at hype/promotion, I can understand that.  As a manager at a different game store, I'll go ahead and say .  My original point (if I ever had any :innocent:) is that if you're going to go around and include some but exclude others, whether intentional or not, those excluded will be angry.  Anyone who's ever had a secret club as a child while also having a sibling will know EXACTLY what I mean.

Now, fellow forumites, we need to understand NO DISRESPECT OR DISSERVICE WAS MEANT TOWARDS US.  So, the anger is understandable, the rage reaction is not.  Bioware surely wasn't trying to anger any of us, but merely either A) Reward a valued resource or Increase the hype/knowledge of a video game amongst video game retailers.  In fact, if it wasn't for the GIGANTIC INFORMATION LEAK that is the internet, we wouldn't know any of this, and instead of becoming a hot button to fans, this would have merely served the aforementioned purpose and nothing more.  Doesn't make it right (I'm really not trying to be all Holier than thou here), just saying that both sides have valid points here, but as I and other forumites have asked, like the fantastically dedicated Woo and John have asked, we should all keep it civil.  Fact of the matter is, while Woo and John can't just say everything (they would lose their jobs, and we don't want that), they are saying something, which is more than almost any other developer can say.

In summation?

Keep it civil.  Bioware is in a sticky spot that, while there are some legitimate issues here, is not deliberate.  Whether or not they made a mistake and how badly so is one thing, but they deserve a chance to react accordingly to their office hours/chain of command.

[Citizen Q]

Holy Epic Wall of Text Batman!

[Deremix4]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Deremix4 wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hmmm, Im a Gamestop employee myself and I have reserved a copy of DA2 but there's one problem,Im playing it on PS3 .__. So no demo for me?Well that sucks,so close but so far away >.<

I will gladly take the useless demo key off your hands! Free of Charge even!

^This.

Nah,I think I'll try to get it to run on my laptop

D'oooh alright then...

[Maugrim]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I'm going to be going to Disneyland on vacation on the 24th so will be away from home on the 23 I hope an anon gamestop employee takes pity on me.

Even if they don't I still get the better part of the bargain I get to go to Disneyland with my great-nephew!

[Meltemph]

SE JN wrote...

 Well, (puts on wading boots), please allow a self-appointed "logic/civility servant" to address a few issues here, but only after pointing out two things- 1, I am merely trying to respond to EVERYTHING in this thread I've seen, and 2, never take anything I say as judgmental, just reactionary and helpful.  It is my goal, as a soon-to-be-teacher/forum moderator elsewhere/current game store manager/howler monkey to help people be as polite and thoughtful as possible.

 Now---
The anger being directed at Bioware, IMHO, is understandable yet ridiculous.  The time of the day not withstanding (how many of you work off the clock?), you cannot expect an immediate response from ANY corporation or business in terms of things like this.

 As far as I'm concerned, there is a great deal that should be learned from this to Bioware's marketing department (both the DA Legends fiasco and this Beta), and hopefully, such "miss-steps" will not occur again.  I understand that I have no authority here, but Stanley, John, Chris and whoever else will read this, please understand that we nerds are a fickle and delicate bunch.  

While you cannot possibly expect to always please everyone, a lot of fans do not believe that, because as most philosophers would argue (thanks Dr. Plementi from ISU!), to the individual, the individual = truth = majority.  While people are smart enough to understand such a metaphysical equation is false, you hopefully can understand my point.


People will get mad when they think they have been wronged, and a beta to a facebook game when other fans have already been participating will not go over well when average fans have spent MONTHS speculating on what could be.  While I wouldn't ask you to tell fans what will come, I would humbly suggest perhaps a TEENEY bit more interaction with fans, perhaps saying "No, the announcement won't be for a DA2 demo/Not a character reveal/etc" to help avoid situations like this.  Please note, I said "avoid" as we all know things like this WILL happen.


Now, this whole "Kill it with fire!" attitude some people are having is.... wait for it..... understandable.  Yes, I know, shocking, considering I'm playing mucho devils advocate here.
What this revelation sounds like (not IS, but can be interpreted as such) is that Bioware cares more for Gamestop employees/PC users than others.  Of course, that was hardly the intention here.  Whether this was merely a thank you to Gamestop (which the cards clearyly state it is) or merely an attempt at hype/promotion, I can understand that.  

As a manager at a different game store, I'll go ahead and say .  My original point (if I ever had any :innocent:) is that if you're going to go around and include some but exclude others, whether intentional or not, those excluded will be angry.  Anyone who's ever had a secret club as a child while also having a sibling will know EXACTLY what I mean.

Now, fellow forumites, we need to understand NO DISRESPECT OR DISSERVICE WAS MEANT TOWARDS US.  

So, the anger is understandable, the rage reaction is not.  Bioware surely wasn't trying to anger any of us, but merely either A) Reward a valued resource or Increase the hype/knowledge of a video game amongst video game retailers.  In fact, if it wasn't for the GIGANTIC INFORMATION LEAK that is the internet, we wouldn't know any of this, and instead of becoming a hot button to fans, this would have merely served the aforementioned purpose and nothing more.


 Doesn't make it right (I'm really not trying to be all Holier than thou here), just saying that both sides have valid points here, but as I and other forumites have asked, like the fantastically dedicated Woo and John have asked, we should all keep it civil.  Fact of the matter is, while Woo and John can't just say everything (they would lose their jobs, and we don't want that), they are saying something, which is more than almost any other developer can say.

In summation?

Keep it civil.  Bioware is in a sticky spot that, while there are some legitimate issues here, is not deliberate.  Whether or not they made a mistake and how badly so is one thing, but they deserve a chance to react accordingly to their office hours/chain of command.

[Saibh]

Meltemph wrote...
But are you literally mad? Or the kind of mad you feel when your team losses to your rivals? Do people really get mad over video game marketing screw-ups? I always figured it was just a form of bloviating, because it is the nature of the internet. I mean, I could understand it was something like "02/01/2011 everyone gets a free puppy" and then come the date nobody gets a puppy... I jsut don't see how it is possible to care that much over something happening on this date.

I guess I'm just "missing the point", cause I really don't get the outcry.

Ha. No, not that kind of angry. If I were, I wouldn't be posting. I'm just very irritated. Highly disappointed.

You can think of BioWare as a sports team we're all supporting. And some people get really attached to sports teams. People are like that. There was a lot of excitement. And when that excitement has no where to go, don't be surprised when the emotions are turned into a different outlet.

[Kevlevin]

THE HECK!?!?!? I work at gamestop and I'm just finding out about this right now.... and my boss knows that DA2 is the game I'm waiting for....

[rogershoe]

Heh. If Gamestop employees actually kept quiet about this, then there would be no problem. I guess that's the last time any game company does something nice for them.

[evil bob the jagex cat]

makenzieshepard wrote...

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I'm going to be going to Disneyland on vacation on the 24th so will be away from home on the 23 I hope an anon gamestop employee takes pity on me.

Even if they don't I still get the better part of the bargain I get to go to Disneyland with my great-nephew!

well your lucky ill more then likely be at work that day

Modifié par evil bob the jagex cat, 02 février 2011 - 05:53 .

[Jimmy Fury]

makenzieshepard wrote...

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I'm going to be going to Disneyland on vacation on the 24th so will be away from home on the 23 I hope an anon gamestop employee takes pity on me.
Even if they don't I still get the better part of the bargain I get to go to Disneyland with my great-nephew!

I dunno... have you been to Disneyland before? You might just feel differently after standing in a couple of those lines.
As long as you're back before the 8th though you'll still get to play the demo before the release! so... yay?