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[MrStorm2K]

addiction21 wrote...

Stick around its not over yet.

The rage has cooled for the most part, no need to stick around. It's been fun though.

[marquiseondore]

Saberchic wrote...

the goal isn't to make them more knowledgeable but to get them stoked to push the game to consumers.

Do you remember the last time you've been to a Gamestop and have that happen to you.

[moilami]

I rarely participate in any real world politics, but this demo fiasco certainly deserves to get a few words.

I am still unsure was that Gamestop employer exclusive demo just huge megatrolling with all that "small printed" text in the bottom or was it a total ignorance at loyal and fanatical customers who wait this game much more than some Gamestop employers who have access to all games in the market very easily. In either case it is less for those who need it more and more for those who need it less. As such I can't support the current policy, and telling to customers "it is our game" doesn't change a thing.

I hope this gets fixed


/* really small printed text

By the way if it was megatrolling I laugh really hard. But if it was ignorance towards customers and fans I will not laugh. I am by the way probably not going to even try the demo. I will delay the experience to enjoy the game completely. It is like sex. Who wants it to end prematurily?

*/

[Jimmy Fury]

Saberchic wrote...
the goal isn't to make them more knowledgeable but to get them stoked to push the game to consumers.

It's the same thing. Product Knowledge = Ability to sell. It's really extremely simple.

[crimzontearz]

Saberchic wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Gamestop employees (aka the lowest common denominator)

Is that really called for?
You people keep moaning about how all gamestop employees are stupid but in the same breath you curse the very mechanism that Bioware is employing to make gamestop employees more knowledgable.

Honestly, there is no reason to be so rude.

just because a demo is released solely to them it will not make them any more knowledgeable than if, say, the demo was released to the general public......just saying

the goal isn't to make them more knowledgeable but to get them stoked to push the game to consumers.

:D:D ever worked for Gamestop? I did for a year or so.......if someone is pumped for a game he/she will push it regardless. And if they could not care less about the game they just won't....and exclusive demo is not gonna change a thing.

and who will they push it to anyway? People who did not know about it before?The same people who would benefit from a demo being available to them? Because those who already know about the game will either buy it or wait to play the demo to make a decisions.....a demo that is, again, not available to them.....

[Saberchic]

marquiseondore wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

the goal isn't to make them more knowledgeable but to get them stoked to push the game to consumers.

Do you remember the last time you've been to a Gamestop and have that happen to you.

just last week.
the gamestop around the corner from my house has great employees. they're always suggesting new titles for me to check out.

[Brockololly]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
The 2.1.11 announcement had nothing to do with the demo, but with Dragon Age Legends closed beta.  Bioware has not commented on the Gamestop demo, so obivously it wasn't part of their 2.1.11 promotion.

Again though, if from the start, BioWare knew that the 2/1/2011 card was always going to be for the announcing of a closed beta going into a new stage of closed beta for an ancillary facebook game, and then they stoked fan expectations by treating that card like some big secret...well, thats bizarre marketing. If they knew from the start that the card was just for Legends, then they did a terrible job in managing fan expectations. And surely, some people had to see that regardless of what BioWare knew about 2/1/2011 would end up being, that the fans thought it would be something more significant than a beta for a facebook game. Thats my problem- if yesterday's Legend announcement was what they had planned from the start, they did a terrible job of at least trying to keep fan expectations in check when it was clear as day fans expected more. And if they couldn't see that fan's had high expectations, then they would seem terribly out of touch and aloof.

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Unless that promotion was to intentionally leak information they never had any intent to confirm.  Which would be... weird.  For a game company I mean, not for say, a politician.

BioWare goes to the Clay Davis School of Marketing. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiii:lol:

[Jimmy Fury]

crimzontearz wrote...
a demo that is, again, not available to them.....

The demo will be available. You seem way too focused on the 11 days between gamestop's access and ours. It isn't even 2 full weeks.
Have more coffee

[Russalka]

Purple People Eater wrote...

No new dev vids, or game trailers, or character reveals. Instead, we get a demo thats only given to Gamestop employees (aka the lowest common denominator) and a shot that a demo will be released on the 23rd, hopefully on all platforms. Im a console gamer, so I hope my PCs directX9 can handle it...lol.

Are you specifically entitled to anything you mentioned? 

[Black_Warden]

moilami wrote...

I rarely participate in any real world politics, but this demo fiasco certainly deserves to get a few words.

I am still unsure was that Gamestop employer exclusive demo just huge megatrolling with all that "small printed" text in the bottom or was it a total ignorance at loyal and fanatical customers who wait this game much more than some Gamestop employers who have access to all games in the market very easily. In either case it is less for those who need it more and more for those who need it less. As such I can't support the current policy, and telling to customers "it is our game" doesn't change a thing.

I agree that the whole gamestop thing is somewhat  

but i gotta say, it's a video game a demo.... nobody needs it.




Also,

crimzontearz wrote...
 ever worked for Gamestop? I did for a year or so.......if someone is pumped for a game he/she will push it regardless. And if they could not care less about the game they just won't....and exclusive demo is not gonna change a thing.

*snip*

an exclusive demo absolutely would change something, if the employee who normally was not interested and therefore would not "push" the game plays the demo and likes it.

Modifié par Black_Warden, 02 février 2011 - 04:14 .

[Saberchic]

crimzontearz wrote...
and who will they push it to anyway? People who did not know about it before?The same people who would benefit from a demo being available to them? Because those who already know about the game will either buy it or wait to play the demo to make a decisions.....a demo that is, again, not available to them.....

They'll push it to people who they think might be interested in it. The employees have pulled up my history and recommended games for me that I hadn't either heard of or tried before. They've also cued up their TV to then show me these games they recommend so that I can get a feel for what they were talking about.

[crimzontearz]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
a demo that is, again, not available to them.....

The demo will be available. You seem way too focused on the 11 days between gamestop's access and ours. It isn't even 2 full weeks.
Have more coffee

no, I'm rather lucid thanks

I am talking about the window between the 11th and then 23d which is when the now oh EVER so well informed  gamestop emnployees will "push" the game to people

[BeautyoftheBeast]

crimzontearz wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Gamestop employees (aka the lowest common denominator)

Is that really called for?
You people keep moaning about how all gamestop employees are stupid but in the same breath you curse the very mechanism that Bioware is employing to make gamestop employees more knowledgable.

Honestly, there is no reason to be so rude.

just because a demo is released solely to them it will not make them any more knowledgeable than if, say, the demo was released to the general public......just saying

And how many people do you know that plays a demo before buying a game? Seriously?

I know two. That's about it. Most of my friends either go online where it's been reviewed by someone else, or go to Gamestop and when about to buy the game, ask what the person thinks of it. Either that, or they hear about it word of mouth AFTER the game is released.

Just because you post in a small community that does do these things does not make it an accurate, generalized statement. You have to remember, the people who have a hard-on for hating this represent a very SMALL number of Dragon Age players. Most of my friends don't even know this place exists, and most likely won't even know about the whole demo thing before the game is released.

As for my opinion, I rather get more information on in-game content rather than a demo for a platform I don't play on. I've never played a demo before buying a game, I probably won't start now since my pretty little pre-order is sitting in the computer at my local Gamestop. I'll play the game and if it sucks I'll sell it back.

[upsettingshorts]

Brockololly wrote...

Thats my problem- if yesterday's Legend announcement was what they had planned from the start, they did a terrible job of at least trying to keep fan expectations in check when it was clear as day fans expected more. And if they couldn't see that fan's had high expectations, then they would seem terribly out of touch and aloof.

Since you're familiar with The Wire I'm not afraid to pull this one out for fear it would be misunderstood:  I think that the mistake (the demo leak) and the lack of response is an example of institutional inertia.  Simply put, EA/Bioware is too big to be as dynamic and nimble in terms of responding to fans as the forum would collectively lead itself to believe.  

Brockololly wrote...
BioWare goes to the Clay Davis School of Marketing. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiii:lol:

Clay Davis was made of teflon, though.    He is a river to his people.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 février 2011 - 04:13 .

[crimzontearz]

Saberchic wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
and who will they push it to anyway? People who did not know about it before?The same people who would benefit from a demo being available to them? Because those who already know about the game will either buy it or wait to play the demo to make a decisions.....a demo that is, again, not available to them.....

They'll push it to people who they think might be interested in it. The employees have pulled up my history and recommended games for me that I hadn't either heard of or tried before. They've also cued up their TV to then show me these games they recommend so that I can get a feel for what they were talking about.

in 9 years that I've been going to the same GS this NEVER happened to me

[moilami]

Russalka wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...

No new dev vids, or game trailers, or character reveals. Instead, we get a demo thats only given to Gamestop employees (aka the lowest common denominator) and a shot that a demo will be released on the 23rd, hopefully on all platforms. Im a console gamer, so I hope my PCs directX9 can handle it...lol.

Are you specifically entitled to anything you mentioned? 

You either respect customers who share bread and butter with you or you just ****slap at them behind their back.

[Silver Direwolf]

I'm going to give my local GameStop employees a couple of days to play the demo, and then badger them about what they think of it etc.

Hopefully when it's open to everyone, that also includes the consoles Though maybe my laptop could handle a demo (at really really really low settings), and either way the game itself is out soon enough anyway

[Saibh]

moilami wrote...

I rarely participate in any real world politics, but this demo fiasco certainly deserves to get a few words.

I am still unsure was that Gamestop employer exclusive demo just huge megatrolling with all that "small printed" text in the bottom or was it a total ignorance at loyal and fanatical customers who wait this game much more than some Gamestop employers who have access to all games in the market very easily. In either case it is less for those who need it more and more for those who need it less. As such I can't support the current policy, and telling to customers "it is our game" doesn't change a thing.

I hope this gets fixed


/* really small printed text

By the way if it was megatrolling I laugh really hard. But if it was ignorance towards customers and fans I will not laugh. I am by the way probably not going to even try the demo. I will delay the experience to enjoy the game completely. It is like sex. Who wants it to end prematurily?

*/

I think complaining that GameStop getting it first is silly. Very, very silly. They are simply getting it earlier--we're not getting it later. If they weren't getting this demo, then you wouldn't be getting it any earlier.

The thing is no one needs a damn demo. Yeah, it'd be great to have one--and we are getting one! So doesn't that work out? You talk about "need", but that's awfully selfish. GameStop employees have access to it first. It's not at our expense, because we're not losing anything.

[crimzontearz]

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Gamestop employees (aka the lowest common denominator)

Is that really called for?
You people keep moaning about how all gamestop employees are stupid but in the same breath you curse the very mechanism that Bioware is employing to make gamestop employees more knowledgable.

Honestly, there is no reason to be so rude.

just because a demo is released solely to them it will not make them any more knowledgeable than if, say, the demo was released to the general public......just saying

And how many people do you know that plays a demo before buying a game? Seriously?

I know two. That's about it. Most of my friends either go online where it's been reviewed by someone else, or go to Gamestop and when about to buy the game, ask what the person thinks of it. Either that, or they hear about it word of mouth AFTER the game is released.

Just because you post in a small community that does do these things does not make it an accurate, generalized statement. You have to remember, the people who have a hard-on for hating this represent a very SMALL number of Dragon Age players. Most of my friends don't even know this place exists, and most likely won't even know about the whole demo thing before the game is released.

As for my opinion, I rather get more information on in-game content rather than a demo for a platform I don't play on. I've never played a demo before buying a game, I probably won't start now since my pretty little pre-order is sitting in the computer at my local Gamestop. I'll play the game and if it sucks I'll sell it back.

ever looked at how many people DL demos on Xbox Live? it's in the order of several thousands, hundreds of Thousands

the Demo for  "the force unleashed" was downloaded one million times between august 21st and September 10th

so what in hell are you on about?

[crimzontearz]

Saibh wrote...

moilami wrote...

I rarely participate in any real world politics, but this demo fiasco certainly deserves to get a few words.

I am still unsure was that Gamestop employer exclusive demo just huge megatrolling with all that "small printed" text in the bottom or was it a total ignorance at loyal and fanatical customers who wait this game much more than some Gamestop employers who have access to all games in the market very easily. In either case it is less for those who need it more and more for those who need it less. As such I can't support the current policy, and telling to customers "it is our game" doesn't change a thing.

I hope this gets fixed


/* really small printed text

By the way if it was megatrolling I laugh really hard. But if it was ignorance towards customers and fans I will not laugh. I am by the way probably not going to even try the demo. I will delay the experience to enjoy the game completely. It is like sex. Who wants it to end prematurily?

*/

I think complaining that GameStop getting it first is silly. Very, very silly. They are simply getting it earlier--we're not getting it later. If they weren't getting this demo, then you wouldn't be getting it any earlier.

The thing is no one needs a damn demo. Yeah, it'd be great to have one--and we are getting one! So doesn't that work out? You talk about "need", but that's awfully selfish. GameStop employees have access to it first. It's not at our expense, because we're not losing anything.

uh....don't you work at GS?

[Saberchic]

crimzontearz wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
and who will they push it to anyway? People who did not know about it before?The same people who would benefit from a demo being available to them? Because those who already know about the game will either buy it or wait to play the demo to make a decisions.....a demo that is, again, not available to them.....

They'll push it to people who they think might be interested in it. The employees have pulled up my history and recommended games for me that I hadn't either heard of or tried before. They've also cued up their TV to then show me these games they recommend so that I can get a feel for what they were talking about.

in 9 years that I've been going to the same GS this NEVER happened to me

You must be going to the wrong one then. I admit that I've been to some janky Gamestops before. There's one we nicknamed TC= Tweaker Central because all the crackheads go there to sell "their" games for money. I don't go to that one.

But overall, my experiences with Gamestop have been as I've listed above.

[moilami]

Saibh wrote...

moilami wrote...

I rarely participate in any real world politics, but this demo fiasco certainly deserves to get a few words.

I am still unsure was that Gamestop employer exclusive demo just huge megatrolling with all that "small printed" text in the bottom or was it a total ignorance at loyal and fanatical customers who wait this game much more than some Gamestop employers who have access to all games in the market very easily. In either case it is less for those who need it more and more for those who need it less. As such I can't support the current policy, and telling to customers "it is our game" doesn't change a thing.

I hope this gets fixed


/* really small printed text

By the way if it was megatrolling I laugh really hard. But if it was ignorance towards customers and fans I will not laugh. I am by the way probably not going to even try the demo. I will delay the experience to enjoy the game completely. It is like sex. Who wants it to end prematurily?

*/

I think complaining that GameStop getting it first is silly. Very, very silly. They are simply getting it earlier--we're not getting it later. If they weren't getting this demo, then you wouldn't be getting it any earlier.

The thing is no one needs a damn demo. Yeah, it'd be great to have one--and we are getting one! So doesn't that work out? You talk about "need", but that's awfully selfish. GameStop employees have access to it first. It's not at our expense, because we're not losing anything.

If you think it is great if Gamestop empleyers get the demo before other customers, that is your opinion. But your logic fails.

I stand behind my words and say giving the demo to Gamestop employers before giving it to fans wanting to try the game is clear ****slap.

[Brockololly]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Since you're familiar with The Wire I'm not afraid to pull this one out for fear it would be misunderstood:  I think that the mistake (the demo leak) and the lack of response is an example of institutional inertia.  Simply put, EA/Bioware is too big to be as dynamic and nimble in terms of responding to fans as the forum would collectively lead itself to believe. 

Very true, but still, I find it hard to believe that at least somebody couldn't see this whole thing coming. But like you said, even if one of the mods like Woo or Priestly sent word up the chain, it doesn't change the perception many people have of the lack of a response with meaningful info authorized by whoever Boss Man (or Woman) may be. They've had at least since August when they announced DA2's release date to do something with the Awakening card and instead of maybe just saying"We screwed up, that was supposed to be DA2's release date" and nipping this whole thing in the bud, they just let expectations grow and get out of hand.

I'm understanding of the realities and all, but I don't think thats much of an excuse.

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Clay Davis was made of teflon, though.    He is a river to his people.

Perhaps The Creative Assembly's marketing crew are more like Clay Davis then:D

Modifié par Brockololly, 02 février 2011 - 04:24 .

[Purple People Eater]

Look, you can say its rude all you want, but in my experience Gamestop employees dont know what they're talking about. They're not even all that knowledgeable about games. Now if any of you are Gamestop employees and know your stuff, well then I apologize. Im just saying that in my experience, Gamestop is not the place to go if you want help making an informed purchase. Not to mention Gamestops trade in policies, and used games prices make me sick, which is why I stopped going there.

[KBomb]

I called my local Gamestop this morning and spoke with the guy I usually deal with when I go in. All he said was they gave some out to their customers by accident, but then the manager gave them a “harsh talking to”. lol I can imagine how many times this has happened, or is going to happen. Oh, how I wish I would have gotten up earlier to go in.