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[BeautyoftheBeast]

crimzontearz wrote...

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Gamestop employees (aka the lowest common denominator)

Is that really called for?
You people keep moaning about how all gamestop employees are stupid but in the same breath you curse the very mechanism that Bioware is employing to make gamestop employees more knowledgable.

Honestly, there is no reason to be so rude.

just because a demo is released solely to them it will not make them any more knowledgeable than if, say, the demo was released to the general public......just saying

And how many people do you know that plays a demo before buying a game? Seriously?

I know two. That's about it. Most of my friends either go online where it's been reviewed by someone else, or go to Gamestop and when about to buy the game, ask what the person thinks of it. Either that, or they hear about it word of mouth AFTER the game is released.

Just because you post in a small community that does do these things does not make it an accurate, generalized statement. You have to remember, the people who have a hard-on for hating this represent a very SMALL number of Dragon Age players. Most of my friends don't even know this place exists, and most likely won't even know about the whole demo thing before the game is released.

As for my opinion, I rather get more information on in-game content rather than a demo for a platform I don't play on. I've never played a demo before buying a game, I probably won't start now since my pretty little pre-order is sitting in the computer at my local Gamestop. I'll play the game and if it sucks I'll sell it back.

ever looked at how many people DL demos on Xbox Live? it's in the order of several thousands, hundreds of Thousands

the Demo for  "the force unleashed" was downloaded one million times between august 21st and September 10th

so what in hell are you on about?

I'm sorry that I don't spend my days trolling various platforms to buy demos on a regular basis. Nor do a lot of my friends. And I'd appreciate it if you would be a little more civil, considering you're hiding behind a computer screen, spewing your opinion without acknowledging that some people actually have ones that vary from yours. I don't have time to sit around and play demos. Nor do a lot of people I know. The only reason why most people I've spoken to have found out about DA:O was from the commercial spots or going to Gamestop. That's based on my perception of things- if it doesn't coincide with yours, then so be it. At least I'm not going to stoop to your level and start arguing that because YOUR opinion is right (in your head) it's not right anywhere else.

It's fine that you fall into that category of super-nerdom where all you do is download demos and check out what other people are playing on other platforms. I'm cool with that. But don't state something as a fact before you actually know the numbers. I know people do play those games and buy those demos, but that doesn't mean its a large majority of the population. Just because XBox Live and PSN and other places show large numbers of people playing those demos, doesn't mean it's a universal truth. That could be the same people re-downloading it for other consoles, or any other number of possibilities. Like I said- I know a lot of people who don't do either of those- and get their information from places like Gamestop or word of mouth. So if you want to continue to butt-hurt over this "demo fiasco" (which no one from Bioware has confirmed or denied that there's other variables going on that we don't know about as a community) don't be so rude to people who thinks its half-ridiculous.

Edit: Oh, and I noticed you said several thousands of people bought demos and quoted something about one million buying the Force Unleashed. I'm curious: Can you give me a number on how many units were sold for DA:O? ME1 and ME2? If it seems that that large majority of those numbers for buying demos coincide with actual sales, I'll concede that you have a point.

Also, you ignored my question. How many people do you personally know that plays demos? (And believe me, I'll argue with you all day if need be. I'm law student for a reason.)

Modifié par BeautyoftheBeast, 02 février 2011 - 04:32 .

[Black_Warden]

KBomb wrote...


I called my local Gamestop this morning and spoke with the guy I usually deal with when I go in. All he said was they gave some out to their customers by accident, but then the manager gave them a “harsh talking to”. lol I can imagine how many times this has happened, or is going to happen. Oh, how I wish I would have gotten up earlier to go in.

My cousin just started working at a GS and doesn't play RPGs, so i'm hopin he'll slide me his code. i just hope there is a CC, even if it's not fully unlocked, cuz i don't really want to play the demo on my craptastic computer (console user, born and raised)

[JadePhoenix]

As someone who has never posted before, let me clarify.



"greetings gamestop employees, on behalf of all of us at bioware, we'd like to thank you for all of your support over the years. As a special "thank you", we'd like to give you an advanced, exclusive sneak peek at the highly anticipated, dragon age 2 pc demo! Dragon age 2 is going to be one of our best games to date, and we're really excited to get to share it with you before anyone else!"



Bioware is simply letting gamestop early access so that way they can help more customers be informed of their game and increase the success of dragon age 2., not to offend the fans. They have already hinted on the website that a demo will be released for all consumers o the 23rd. As a gamestop employee and huge bioware fan, this is an extremely helpful tool. Not only do i currently point out bioware games as excellent RPGs to my newer gaming customers, i can also help accurately describe the game to my core gamers and get one and all excited for the game which is what bioware intends. It is just simply a marketing promotion. It wasn't meant to anger any fans. If anything, the possibility of a demo is more positive then ever!



Anyway, that is all i wanted to say.

[MrStorm2K]

moilami wrote...
I stand behind my words and say giving the demo to Gamestop employers before giving it to fans wanting to try the game is clear ****slap.

Why? All the fans are already going to buy it. Gamestop goons and their customers might not be going to. If they grab their attention with a fancy "exclusive demo" and that leads to more sales, who are you to judge?

Fans aren't entitled to anything. If anything, they're entitled to less because of their unflinching devotion. This is an experimental marketing move that could work and make them more sales. And for all the raging in this thread, they won't lose any sales. Lighten up and be glad there's a demo at all.

[Spazztik]

KBomb wrote...


I called my local Gamestop this morning and spoke with the guy I usually deal with when I go in. All he said was they gave some out to their customers by accident, but then the manager gave them a “harsh talking to”. lol I can imagine how many times this has happened, or is going to happen. Oh, how I wish I would have gotten up earlier to go in.

I don't blame ya at all. I do think there probably is someone on the forum that did go in and get a code just based on the gamestop employees minor stupidity.

The bad thing for me is the closest gamestop is an hour away so I don't even think I'm gonna get a chance to go harrass them about the demo . . .

[moilami]

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...


It's fine that you fall into that category of super-nerdom where all you do is download demos and check out what other

Casual gamer is talking down to some other gamer about games. Well, obviously everyone needs to feel superior in some way. Even if it would be just some total ridiculous way. I guess it is the feeling what matters lol.

[MerinTB]

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...
And how many people do you know that plays a demo before buying a game? Seriously?

Myself.  Every single friend I have who games.  Every aquaintance I've ever spoke to about game demos.  Demos are quite popular - I think, perhaps, the group of people you know are outliers.

Demos are great for BUSY people.  People who don't have the time nor inclination to read several reviews, or don't trust reviewers to match their own opinions.  For people who have little money or refuse to waste money on games they won't like.

Some people may buy lots of game, happy with getting ones they don't end up enjoying.  Some people may not care about tossing out $40-$60 here and there on things, and some people may really trust reviwers.

Most people I know like to test drive a vehicle before buying.  Open the carton of eggs before purchasing.  Flip through a new comic book before buying their first issue.  I do know a few people who buy sight unseen, but these tend to be people who get caught up in stuff like home shopping network sales or have to follow the fads/trends.

So before you tell other people to stop assuming that their opinions are universal, as you do in later posts, perhaps look at your own assumptions (as in "who plays demos, seriously?" and "maybe you spend all day trolling for demos") and take your own advice.

---

for the record - I don't think not getting a demo, or some retail store employees getting a demo early, matters at all really as it doesn't affect you getting the game.  It's good marketing for Gamestops as they will be better able to promote a game they've played, and it gives them a month-ish time to push pre-sales.  Video rental stores get similar things in demo reels of movies well before they are available for rental.  It's not a heinous process.

The PR disaster of the last few days aside, the whole hullabaloo over demos is really, well, overblown.

[vengerturtle]

The Gamestop near my house is quite nice, actually. I mean the guy in there humors my grandmother when she goes down and asks for game recs, and he doesn't just rec her fluff games. Some Gamestop employees are gamers who know their stuff and some are just there for the paycheck. Gamestops that have gamer employees are better, but that's not different from any other workplace in the world, I don't know why people expect it to be.

Also, my brother downloads demos of games all the time, even ones he doesn't want to play. He gets bored. And he HAS bought games he didn't care about before just from playing the demo. Everyone's experiences are different, and Bioware/EA is covering all their bases and trying to get word out as much as possible, to maximize their profits. It sucks for us that we have to wait, and I don't get why it's coming out so close to the game's release, but I honestly don't think anyone was supposed to find out about the Gamestop early release so there wasn't supposed to have been a problem. Naive on Bioware/EA's part to think that it wouldn't leak.

Modifié par missnicolec, 02 février 2011 - 04:40 .

[crimzontearz]

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Gamestop employees (aka the lowest common denominator)

Is that really called for?
You people keep moaning about how all gamestop employees are stupid but in the same breath you curse the very mechanism that Bioware is employing to make gamestop employees more knowledgable.

Honestly, there is no reason to be so rude.

just because a demo is released solely to them it will not make them any more knowledgeable than if, say, the demo was released to the general public......just saying

And how many people do you know that plays a demo before buying a game? Seriously?

I know two. That's about it. Most of my friends either go online where it's been reviewed by someone else, or go to Gamestop and when about to buy the game, ask what the person thinks of it. Either that, or they hear about it word of mouth AFTER the game is released.

Just because you post in a small community that does do these things does not make it an accurate, generalized statement. You have to remember, the people who have a hard-on for hating this represent a very SMALL number of Dragon Age players. Most of my friends don't even know this place exists, and most likely won't even know about the whole demo thing before the game is released.

As for my opinion, I rather get more information on in-game content rather than a demo for a platform I don't play on. I've never played a demo before buying a game, I probably won't start now since my pretty little pre-order is sitting in the computer at my local Gamestop. I'll play the game and if it sucks I'll sell it back.

ever looked at how many people DL demos on Xbox Live? it's in the order of several thousands, hundreds of Thousands

the Demo for  "the force unleashed" was downloaded one million times between august 21st and September 10th

so what in hell are you on about?

I'm sorry that I don't spend my days trolling various platforms to buy demos on a regular basis. Nor do a lot of my friends. And I'd appreciate it if you would be a little more civil, considering you're hiding behind a computer screen, spewing your opinion without acknowledging that some people actually have ones that vary from yours. I don't have time to sit around and play demos. Nor do a lot of people I know. The only reason why most people I've spoken to have found out about DA:O was from the commercial spots or going to Gamestop. That's based on my perception of things- if it doesn't coincide with yours, then so be it. At least I'm not going to stoop to your level and start arguing that because YOUR opinion is right (in your head) it's not right anywhere else.

It's fine that you fall into that category of super-nerdom where all you do is download demos and check out what other people are playing on other platforms. I'm cool with that. But don't state something as a fact before you actually know the numbers. I know people do play those games and buy those demos, but that doesn't mean its a large majority of the population. Just because XBox Live and PSN and other places show large numbers of people playing those demos, doesn't mean it's a universal truth. That could be the same people re-downloading it for other consoles, or any other number of possibilities. Like I said- I know a lot of people who don't do either of those- and get their information from places like Gamestop or word of mouth. So if you want to continue to butt-hurt over this "demo fiasco" (which no one from Bioware has confirmed or denied that there's other variables going on that we don't know about as a community) don't be so rude to people who thinks its half-ridiculous.

:lol::lol::lol:
sorry dude, you are worth only the following short replies

1: cry me a river, you are wrong. People DL demos and demos are a great way to help customers make up their minds, just like samples.
1.5: You may know a lot of people and they may know a lot of people but word of mouth pales in comparison of the numbers some demos have brought in
2: this is the internet, deal with it
3: not like I feel I should explain myself to you but I do work 40+ hours a week and I have kids, the only demos I play are the demos of games I am either very interested into or on the fence about. So far the only obnoxious, rude, and unnecessarily offensive individual is you

[BeautyoftheBeast]

moilami wrote...

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...


It's fine that you fall into that category of super-nerdom where all you do is download demos and check out what other

Casual gamer is talking down to some other gamer about games. Well, obviously everyone needs to feel superior in some way. Even if it would be just some total ridiculous way. I guess it is the feeling what matters lol.

I'm not a casual gamer actually, and I wasn't insulting anyone. Super-nerddom is the term I use for someone (like me) who is super excited about a game. If that came across wrong, sorry about that.

[moilami]

MrStorm2K wrote...

moilami wrote...
I stand behind my words and say giving the demo to Gamestop employers before giving it to fans wanting to try the game is clear ****slap.

Why? All the fans are already going to buy it. Gamestop goons and their customers might not be going to. If they grab their attention with a fancy "exclusive demo" and that leads to more sales, who are you to judge?

Fans aren't entitled to anything. If anything, they're entitled to less because of their unflinching devotion. This is an experimental marketing move that could work and make them more sales. And for all the raging in this thread, they won't lose any sales. Lighten up and be glad there's a demo at all.

I haven't ever said fans would be "entitled" to something. I have said that either you treat your customers with respect or you ****slap at them behind their back. But If you say fans are entitled less, you contradicted yourself by saying first that fans aren't entitled to anything since you say they are entitled to less. Can you chose? Are they entitled to nothing or are they entitled to less?

And this is nothing personal to me. I wont waste bandwith to DL the demo in any case. However I would certainly know you would not work in marketing or public relations in my company. Such bitterness towards fans, huh.

[BeautyoftheBeast]

MerinTB wrote...

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...
And how many people do you know that plays a demo before buying a game? Seriously?

Myself.  Every single friend I have who games.  Every aquaintance I've ever spoke to about game demos.  Demos are quite popular - I think, perhaps, the group of people you know are outliers.

Demos are great for BUSY people.  People who don't have the time nor inclination to read several reviews, or don't trust reviewers to match their own opinions.  For people who have little money or refuse to waste money on games they won't like.

Some people may buy lots of game, happy with getting ones they don't end up enjoying.  Some people may not care about tossing out $40-$60 here and there on things, and some people may really trust reviwers.

Most people I know like to test drive a vehicle before buying.  Open the carton of eggs before purchasing.  Flip through a new comic book before buying their first issue.  I do know a few people who buy sight unseen, but these tend to be people who get caught up in stuff like home shopping network sales or have to follow the fads/trends.

So before you tell other people to stop assuming that their opinions are universal, as you do in later posts, perhaps look at your own assumptions (as in "who plays demos, seriously?" and "maybe you spend all day trolling for demos") and take your own advice.

---

for the record - I don't think not getting a demo, or some retail store employees getting a demo early, matters at all really as it doesn't affect you getting the game.  It's good marketing for Gamestops as they will be better able to promote a game they've played, and it gives them a month-ish time to push pre-sales.  Video rental stores get similar things in demo reels of movies well before they are available for rental.  It's not a heinous process.

The PR disaster of the last few days aside, the whole hullabaloo over demos is really, well, overblown.

When did I say that I believe my opinion is the correct opinion? Point me there. I'd like to see it.

Oh wait, you can't.

Edit: And its amazing how people magically take my posts out of context. I was asking a serious question about how many people do you know who buy demos. Give me a decent answer and I won't argue it. It's that simple. You did, and that's fine. But if you're gonna perceive my posts to be rude, then at least take them in context.

Modifié par BeautyoftheBeast, 02 février 2011 - 04:52 .

[Brockololly]

MerinTB wrote...
for the record - I don't think not getting a demo, or some retail store employees getting a demo early, matters at all really as it doesn't affect you getting the game.  It's good marketing for Gamestops as they will be better able to promote a game they've played, and it gives them a month-ish time to push pre-sales.  Video rental stores get similar things in demo reels of movies well before they are available for rental.  It's not a heinous process.

The PR disaster of the last few days aside, the whole hullabaloo over demos is really, well, overblown.

I don't think the Gamestop demo by itself is a big deal. Its taken as a whole with respect to the 2/1/2011 debacle that it can sour someone's perceptions. It can be seen as BioWare hyping up something big yesterday and letting those expectations go unchecked, failing to deliver anything of note but silence, and then on the other hand seeing that BioWare seems to be getting all cuddly with their corporate buddies at Gamestop, while the loyal consumers get trolled.

Its more than that, but I think its easy to see it that way. And the lack of communication from the people able to say anything on the matter just makes it look bad the longer the confusion is allowed to grow unchecked.

Although I still laugh at the irony of giving Gamestop a PC demo. Seriously, no offense to Gamestope employees, but the last time I went to Gamestop asking for a PC game, the clerk looked at me like I was speaking some alien language.

[jennamarae]

It amuses me when people complain about the rudeness of others while being rude themselves.

[JadePhoenix]

Bioware doesn't come across as a naive company so they knew the gamestop demo news was going to leak to someone, but perhaps they anticipated fans going, "if there is a demo for gamestop, then there will be a demo for us!" and revive even more dragon age 2 excitement.



Still, i'm still waiting for more party member announcements.

[OSUfan12121]

Why its Gamestop only is beyond me. The one thats closest to me is over an hour away so yeah theyre gonna convince me to get Dragon Age real well. Plus the last time i was in there half the employees didnt know what i was talking about(was pre-ordering TW2) and it took them over an hour to "find" it in their computers when it took me 20 seconds at my house.

[BeautyoftheBeast]

crimzontearz wrote...

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Gamestop employees (aka the lowest common denominator)

Is that really called for?
You people keep moaning about how all gamestop employees are stupid but in the same breath you curse the very mechanism that Bioware is employing to make gamestop employees more knowledgable.

Honestly, there is no reason to be so rude.

just because a demo is released solely to them it will not make them any more knowledgeable than if, say, the demo was released to the general public......just saying

And how many people do you know that plays a demo before buying a game? Seriously?

I know two. That's about it. Most of my friends either go online where it's been reviewed by someone else, or go to Gamestop and when about to buy the game, ask what the person thinks of it. Either that, or they hear about it word of mouth AFTER the game is released.

Just because you post in a small community that does do these things does not make it an accurate, generalized statement. You have to remember, the people who have a hard-on for hating this represent a very SMALL number of Dragon Age players. Most of my friends don't even know this place exists, and most likely won't even know about the whole demo thing before the game is released.

As for my opinion, I rather get more information on in-game content rather than a demo for a platform I don't play on. I've never played a demo before buying a game, I probably won't start now since my pretty little pre-order is sitting in the computer at my local Gamestop. I'll play the game and if it sucks I'll sell it back.

ever looked at how many people DL demos on Xbox Live? it's in the order of several thousands, hundreds of Thousands

the Demo for  "the force unleashed" was downloaded one million times between august 21st and September 10th

so what in hell are you on about?

I'm sorry that I don't spend my days trolling various platforms to buy demos on a regular basis. Nor do a lot of my friends. And I'd appreciate it if you would be a little more civil, considering you're hiding behind a computer screen, spewing your opinion without acknowledging that some people actually have ones that vary from yours. I don't have time to sit around and play demos. Nor do a lot of people I know. The only reason why most people I've spoken to have found out about DA:O was from the commercial spots or going to Gamestop. That's based on my perception of things- if it doesn't coincide with yours, then so be it. At least I'm not going to stoop to your level and start arguing that because YOUR opinion is right (in your head) it's not right anywhere else.

It's fine that you fall into that category of super-nerdom where all you do is download demos and check out what other people are playing on other platforms. I'm cool with that. But don't state something as a fact before you actually know the numbers. I know people do play those games and buy those demos, but that doesn't mean its a large majority of the population. Just because XBox Live and PSN and other places show large numbers of people playing those demos, doesn't mean it's a universal truth. That could be the same people re-downloading it for other consoles, or any other number of possibilities. Like I said- I know a lot of people who don't do either of those- and get their information from places like Gamestop or word of mouth. So if you want to continue to butt-hurt over this "demo fiasco" (which no one from Bioware has confirmed or denied that there's other variables going on that we don't know about as a community) don't be so rude to people who thinks its half-ridiculous.

:lol::lol::lol:
sorry dude, you are worth only the following short replies

1: cry me a river, you are wrong. People DL demos and demos are a great way to help customers make up their minds, just like samples.
1.5: You may know a lot of people and they may know a lot of people but word of mouth pales in comparison of the numbers some demos have brought in
2: this is the internet, deal with it
3: not like I feel I should explain myself to you but I do work 40+ hours a week and I have kids, the only demos I play are the demos of games I am either very interested into or on the fence about. So far the only obnoxious, rude, and unnecessarily offensive individual is you

I think saying "the hell are you on about?" seems pretty rude. But that's just my opinion.  So I responded in the manner you seemed to understand the most.

So if you want to continue with short replies, here's one for you:

It's stupid to take such a butt-hurt over something that hasn't been confirmed as the complete truth. For all you know, Bioware is planning to do with with other stores/game retailers. Until someone from Bioware says "Oh hey guys, you're NOT getting the demo before everyone else because WE DONT LIKE YOU" I don't get the pissiness. If that doesn't jibe with your feeling of neglect and disillusionment with Bioware, well I apologize. It seems a little silly.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

This thread once served a real purpose. It no longer does. It should be allowed to rest in peace.

[DJBare]

wtf!, wrong thread.

Modifié par DJBare, 02 février 2011 - 04:49 .

[MrStorm2K]

moilami wrote...
But If you say fans are entitled less, you contradicted yourself by saying first that fans aren't entitled to anything since you say they are entitled to less. Can you chose? Are they entitled to nothing or are they entitled to less?

If you read what I said, I said "If they're entitled to anything..." That means I don't think they are, but some people think entitlement exists in this free market of ours. I gave you arguments for both, so we wouldn't have to argue over the point of "Are customers entitled to anything?" 

However I would certainly know you would not work in marketing or public relations in my company. Such bitterness towards fans, huh.

Fans are formed by high-quality products. Focus on making high-quality products and you will gain any fans you lose who overreact to everything.

Nevertheless, I shall note never to apply to your marketing or PR companies. 

[AlexXIV]

OSUfan12121 wrote...

Why its Gamestop only is beyond me. The one thats closest to me is over an hour away so yeah theyre gonna convince me to get Dragon Age real well. Plus the last time i was in there half the employees didnt know what i was talking about(was pre-ordering TW2) and it took them over an hour to "find" it in their computers when it took me 20 seconds at my house.

Over an hour? An outrage! How can they ask of you to walk/drive OVER AN HOUR!

Obviously Bioware isn't aware that most of their fanbase never leave the cellar.

[nijnij]

What's the point of the demo being a pre-order bonus ? Isn't a demo's purpose to convince players who haven't bought the game yet to do so ? Or is the demo available to everyone but at a later date ? Not sure I get this...

[crimzontearz]

it does not matter. The point is that the move makes very little sense and appears to ****** a lot of people off. Retailer employees will de facto get the demo before us, and even then ONLY those who game on PC (which means they would not be able to answer questions specific to the console version anyway....hell the GS I go to does not even sell pc games really unless you preorder them).



disillusionment in the company has nothing to do with this. The realization that this manouver makes no sense does.....it's like the cherry on top of the ****cake that was the PR campaing of the past few days

[Super_Cat]

Some Gamestops have demo stations set up in store for customers to use.



I wonder if they will do that for Dragon Age 2...

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Super_Cat wrote...

Some Gamestops have demo stations set up in store for customers to use.

I wonder if they will do that for Dragon Age 2...

Not for a PC demo.