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[stephen1493]

I just had to survive a blizzard that knocked out power and heat through my whole block for the last 18 hours.
The only thing that kept me warm was my red hot rage.
Now with this gamestop reveal... I'll heat up my block.

Modifié par stephen1493, 02 février 2011 - 04:56 .

[JadePhoenix]

According to the website, it is hinted that a demo may be available on the 23rd for all consumers. The gamestop demo will not go live until the 11th and end on march8th.

[syllogi]

KSproull wrote...

Bioware is simply letting gamestop early access so that way they can help more customers be informed of their game and increase the success of dragon age 2., not to offend the fans. They have already hinted on the website that a demo will be released for all consumers o the 23rd. As a gamestop employee and huge bioware fan, this is an extremely helpful tool. Not only do i currently point out bioware games as excellent RPGs to my newer gaming customers, i can also help accurately describe the game to my core gamers and get one and all excited for the game which is what bioware intends. It is just simply a marketing promotion. It wasn't meant to anger any fans. If anything, the possibility of a demo is more positive then ever!

Anyway, that is all i wanted to say.

You sound like a much nicer Gamestop employee than any of the ones I've ever met.  Every time I go into a Gamestop, I know that I will most likely be ignored because I am female, or talked down to by employees who know far less about the games I play than I do...I've even had someone insult my choice of playing PC RPGs.  Am I *angry* that Gamestop employees are getting the demo early?  No, but I'm disgusted by how this whole thing was handled, and I'm rather bemused about the fact that my least favorite retailer is getting a perk for it's employees.  Considering that it's usually these same people who break street dates on games and pirate or stream games, I'm not impressed.  Maybe if I had EVER gotten good advice or even had a decent conversation with a Gamestop employee, it would make sense.  But, I'm not a Bioware or EA insider.  Perhaps they have reasons I cannot see.  But from where I'm standing, no Gamestop employee I have dealt with has ever shown themselves to be deserving of perks from developers.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 02 février 2011 - 04:59 .

[moilami]

MrStorm2K wrote...

moilami wrote...
But If you say fans are entitled less, you contradicted yourself by saying first that fans aren't entitled to anything since you say they are entitled to less. Can you chose? Are they entitled to nothing or are they entitled to less?

If you read what I said, I said "If they're entitled to anything..." That means I don't think they are, but some people think entitlement exists in this free market of ours. I gave you arguments for both, so we wouldn't have to argue over the point of "Are customers entitled to anything?" 

Then you say they are entitled to something. You can't say "if they are entitled" and mean they are not entitled, especially when you tell they are entitled less.

And customers by the way are legally entitled to many things, and rightfully so. Read some laws.

[AlexXIV]

KSproull wrote...

According to the website, it is hinted that a demo may be available on the 23rd for all consumers. The gamestop demo will not go live until the 11th and end on march8th.

Well I'd say 23rd is good enough. I mean you still have 2 weeks to decide whether to pre-order then. And since Bioware 'usually' doesn't release demos for their games before release we can all be happy now, no?

[stephen1493]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You misled yourselves if you connected 2-1-11 and the leaked demo image.  A lack of contrary evidence is not evidence.  A coincidence does not make a connection.

If Bioware was so much as restricted from commenting on either until a set time (which has passed for 2-1-11, and has not for the demo image), they were doing their job as professionals by saying nothing and simply enforcing site rules. Which is precisely what they did.

It would be unprofessional to violate whatever agreements bind them to such silence just to placate some upset people on the internets.   Stan Woo says he sent off an email to whoever could give answers, all that's left to do now - or I'd argue all we should have done in the first place - is wait and see.

It's also unprofessional for when the rage comes, which they should have expected, to call there most loyal fans melodramatic crybabies and refuse to talk about the issue.

[John Epler]

Let's get this back on track and civil, folks. Name-calling and hostility are not really welcome on these forums.

[Black_Warden]

Hey crimzontears and beautyofthebeast, would you two mind easing up on the gigantic quote pyramids pwease?

[nightcobra]

JohnEpler wrote...

Let's get this back on track and civil, folks. Name-calling and hostility are not really welcome on these forums.

quick question, since i'm guessing the demo will have minimal if any spoilers, can you gives as to what parts it entails?

like the escape from lothering part or the beginning in kirkwall?

[Black_Warden]

stephen1493 wrote...
It's also unprofessional for when the rage comes, which they should have expected, to call there most loyal fans melodramatic crybabies and refuse to talk about the issue.

I've seen you, at least i think it was you, say this before. would you mind throwin up a link to where a dev actually said that? i'd like to see it for myself

Modifié par Black_Warden, 02 février 2011 - 05:01 .

[crimzontearz]

Black_Warden wrote...

Hey crimzontears and beautyofthebeast, would you two mind easing up on the gigantic quote pyramids pwease?

I did 

[AlexXIV]

stephen1493 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You misled yourselves if you connected 2-1-11 and the leaked demo image.  A lack of contrary evidence is not evidence.  A coincidence does not make a connection.

If Bioware was so much as restricted from commenting on either until a set time (which has passed for 2-1-11, and has not for the demo image), they were doing their job as professionals by saying nothing and simply enforcing site rules. Which is precisely what they did.

It would be unprofessional to violate whatever agreements bind them to such silence just to placate some upset people on the internets.   Stan Woo says he sent off an email to whoever could give answers, all that's left to do now - or I'd argue all we should have done in the first place - is wait and see.

It's also unprofessional for when the rage comes, which they should have expected, to call there most loyal fans melodramatic crybabies and refuse to talk about the issue.

But ... we are melodramatic crybabies ...

[MrStorm2K]

moilami wrote...
Then you say they are entitled to something. You can't say "if they are entitled" and mean they are not entitled, especially when you tell they are entitled less.

I said they are not entitled. Then, I said "If" which is a hypothetical proposition. For example:

"I don't believe in aliens. If there were aliens though, they would not visit Earth because..."

Clearer at all?

And customers by the way are legally entitled to many things, and rightfully so. Read some laws.

None of which promise a demo to potential customers. And of course, legality varies from country to country, not even mentioning ethical theories.

[ReallyRue]

People seem to be getting very vicious with each other. I don't even know what Gamestop is.

/sad

[Spazztik]

KSproull wrote...

As someone who has never posted before, let me clarify.

"greetings gamestop employees, on behalf of all of us at bioware, we'd like to thank you for all of your support over the years. As a special "thank you", we'd like to give you an advanced, exclusive sneak peek at the highly anticipated, dragon age 2 pc demo! Dragon age 2 is going to be one of our best games to date, and we're really excited to get to share it with you before anyone else!"

Bioware is simply letting gamestop early access so that way they can help more customers be informed of their game and increase the success of dragon age 2., not to offend the fans. They have already hinted on the website that a demo will be released for all consumers o the 23rd. As a gamestop employee and huge bioware fan, this is an extremely helpful tool. Not only do i currently point out bioware games as excellent RPGs to my newer gaming customers, i can also help accurately describe the game to my core gamers and get one and all excited for the game which is what bioware intends. It is just simply a marketing promotion. It wasn't meant to anger any fans. If anything, the possibility of a demo is more positive then ever!

Anyway, that is all i wanted to say.

I guess being a Gamestop employee you may see this as positive. You seem cool about the whole thing but I still feel like I've been stabbed in the back. (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) When Gamestop, EA, Bioware, whomever realizes that in the end there are fans that they do offend and that they could easily remedy that why wouldn't they?

[Lord Gremlin]

Demo for consoles would be highly appreciated. For the record DAO on 360 looks like **** and Mass Effect 2 on PS3 cause system lock-ups and at launch could damage console's HDD.

[JadePhoenix]

At teenzombie: i completely understand where you are coming from. Some gamest employees are idiots.



Luckily my store manager and myself, the assistant manager, are women. It's hilarious the looks the guys give me when i can actually keep up with them. And personally, pc gaming is the way to go, although i am mainly a 360 kind of person. The capabilities of pc gaming are limitless and consoles can't achieve that.

[moilami]

KSproull wrote...

Bioware is simply letting gamestop early access so that way they can help more customers be informed of their game and increase the success of dragon age 2., not to offend the fans. They have already hinted on the website that a demo will be released for all consumers o the 23rd. As a gamestop employee and huge bioware fan, this is an extremely helpful tool. Not only do i currently point out bioware games as excellent RPGs to my newer gaming customers, i can also help accurately describe the game to my core gamers and get one and all excited for the game which is what bioware intends. It is just simply a marketing promotion. It wasn't meant to anger any fans. If anything, the possibility of a demo is more positive then ever!

Anyway, that is all i wanted to say.

Fans will get the game regardless what a Gamestop employer says. And to non fans Gamestop employer says "what kind of game you are looking for and to whom?" The customer answers and then the employer says " *smile* then I recommed this game, it has got very good reviews and blabblabblabbal or maybe this blablabblab I would though buy both these balbablablbabblabablabla great fun blabblabbalabblabblab *smile*" After that the customer buys the game the employer thought might be good for him, a new mouse, blank DVDs, etc. etc.

Modifié par moilami, 02 février 2011 - 05:10 .

[Gobbi82]

Why couldn't they just make the demo available for everyone in the first place ?

[Darth Hawke]

Gobbi82 wrote...

Why couldn't they just make the demo available for everyone in the first place ?

I'm pretty sure it will be, just not officially...

[KrizB]

It's not uncommon for some publishers to give early access of games to retailers.

Gamestop employee plays game> tells customer indepth how awesome it is> customer preorders> buys game> ???.

[obie191970]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry over the sense of entitlement that's rampant in this thread. People offended that there wasn't a demo coming. Then, people offended that there is a demo coming but someone else is getting it first. Seriously people, grow up. Time to move out of your parents basements.

[MrStorm2K]

ReallyRue wrote...

People seem to be getting very vicious with each other. I don't even know what Gamestop is.
/sad

Count your blessings. Preferably more than once.

[Rixxencaxx]

99% chance that after the release to gamespot employees feb 11 the demo will be leaked....

[BeautyoftheBeast]

Black_Warden wrote...

Hey crimzontears and beautyofthebeast, would you two mind easing up on the gigantic quote pyramids pwease?

Aw! They were starting to look pretty though.

Anyway- I think myself and this fellow are going to have to agree to disagree. If he continues to feel enthused about my comments, he can send me a message.