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[DPB]

Gabey5 wrote...

when one of his siblings die, hawke should be over the body and yell noooooooo, while the came pans up

This is the standard they should strive to reach.

[Wynne]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

In all of the Bioware games I have played, KOTOR, Mass Effect, Dragon Age there is no option for your character to break down and cry in. To show how bad it is that your family has been murdered/ galaxy is about to be destroyed, friend/ someone you loved has died and it was your fault/ decision.

In Mass Effect 2 Bioware even created a custom crying animation to be used for some Npcs (Ferros contract Asari girl) But is it Shephard ever doing the crying? No says Bioware, "Shephard is a beefy steroid popping space marine brick with no emotion who only puts there hand over his/her mouth to ponder over deaths of all squad after suicide mission. No when Shephard is fighting a Thresher Maw even though his/her entire squad got murdered and killed with Sheploo the only survivor he/she casually fights one on the ground and in the Mako without even commenting on it.

When I begin my adventures in Dragon Age 2 as Lady Hawke Mage I want the option to cry when my very own sister dies right in front of me!

*divorced teacher from Daria voice* You're sensitive, and you're a male!

Seriously, this should happen. At least a little bit of moisture in the eyes, a trembling lip, in addition to a choked, sad-sounding voiced line could add so much with such small (though admittedly not necessarily easy) changes.

If your sibling dies, I don't care if you hated their GUTS, you're gonna at least get misty in the eyes. And seeing that when you're feeling it both creates more character for your hero(ine) and makes the feeling last longer.

Horrible things happen in real life. And people cry because of them. And it doesn't make them any less heroic, it makes them more heroic because they prove thus that they didn't just shut off all ties to everyone. It's harder to be strong and carry on, doing what needs to be done when it hurts you so badly. So, yeah.

Crying would add to the game, not detract from it, and if done right (as a player option with a sadface icon) it doesn't have to feel like they took your options away from you.

[Amyntas]

That would be so much fun. Instead of Renegade runs we would now see Emo runs where people would let their characters break out in tears over everything and let the whole party /facepalm.

Modifié par Amyntas, 01 février 2011 - 01:33 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Sjofn wrote...

I hope ... I hope you don't think Tali crying, of all of them, was inappropriate. Because dang, dude. Everyone else, whatever (although all of them were certainly in a situation where I thought crying was a pretty reasonable reaction), but Tali's moment to cry ... it really just doesn't get more appropriate than that.

That said, I can settle for an epic sadface when appropriate. I don't think crying would be bad, mind you, but I don't expect it because all the boys anxious about their masculinity would whine that their GRR MANLY MAN Hawke would never cry, not even a single manly tear (which is my favorite way to cry, personally).

Nah I was just making a joke about Tali. That was one of the most moving moments of the game. (Even most Renegades & Tali haters agree the paragon hug was epic)

I certainly don't mind the hero crying if it's in one single truly sad moment that matters. (Say your sibling or or Love dying) If he starts crying like John Boehner its a bit much.

[nightcobra]

Wynne wrote...

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

In all of the Bioware games I have played, KOTOR, Mass Effect, Dragon Age there is no option for your character to break down and cry in. To show how bad it is that your family has been murdered/ galaxy is about to be destroyed, friend/ someone you loved has died and it was your fault/ decision.

In Mass Effect 2 Bioware even created a custom crying animation to be used for some Npcs (Ferros contract Asari girl) But is it Shephard ever doing the crying? No says Bioware, "Shephard is a beefy steroid popping space marine brick with no emotion who only puts there hand over his/her mouth to ponder over deaths of all squad after suicide mission. No when Shephard is fighting a Thresher Maw even though his/her entire squad got murdered and killed with Sheploo the only survivor he/she casually fights one on the ground and in the Mako without even commenting on it.

When I begin my adventures in Dragon Age 2 as Lady Hawke Mage I want the option to cry when my very own sister dies right in front of me!

*divorced teacher from Daria voice* You're sensitive, and you're a male!

Seriously, this should happen. At least a little bit of moisture in the eyes, a trembling lip, in addition to a choked, sad-sounding voiced line could add so much with such small (though admittedly not necessarily easy) changes.

If your sibling dies, I don't care if you hated their GUTS, you're gonna at least get misty in the eyes. And seeing that when you're feeling it both creates more character for your hero(ine) and makes the feeling last longer.

Horrible things happen in real life. And people cry because of them. And it doesn't make them any less heroic, it makes them more heroic because they prove thus that they didn't just shut off all ties to everyone. It's harder to be strong and carry on, doing what needs to be done when it hurts you so badly. So, yeah.

Crying would add to the game, not detract from it, and if done right (as a player option with a sadface icon) it doesn't have to feel like they took your options away from you.

i agree



i rest my case

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 01 février 2011 - 01:42 .

[JabbaDaHutt30]

no way my hero is gonna be a push-over. kill thousands of darkspawn/geth/sith and just break down and cry? heck no, my hero sleeps with his blade and lives off rocks and herbs.

[Aanna]

Hm, I wonder if they could get the timing right on when to offer the crying opportunity. The sad things in DA usually didn't hit my Warden until we were back in camp and the adrenaline rush was gone.  To anyone else it might seem like a really odd time to have a "break down and blubber" option, though a number of people have mentioned even the most stoic can cry into their pillow.

Besides, true grief is rarely as pretty as a single tear. Let's be honest, someone really mourning their family is not going to be a pretty sight.  I can see why if you can't do it right, you should let the player imagine it off camera.

[Voidlight]

There's no reason why the hero can't cry. Even the manliest of men, Spartacus, broke down when his wife died in Blood & Sand. He later vented his grief by brutally following through on his promise to KILL THEM ALL. And don't forget Jack Bauer's reaction when the bad guys told him his daughter was dead.

That's how you do a heroic BSOD.

[AlexXIV]

As someone said already, heroes don't cry. The only thing I could accept is a sad face and teary eyes in some really sad situation. But no actual crying.

[Ubasti]

KawaiiKatie wrote... 
The responses would have gone something like this:
"You took my strong, independent woman and made her cry! I disapprove!"

No-one is strong and independent if they don't ever cry. They're just scared of their emotions.

Yes, I would've wanted my warden to cry, and would like my Hawke to cry as well. No matter what gender.

[KyleOrdrum]

I believe too many people here took the line from terminator 2 "I know now why you cry, though it's something I could never do" too seriously, and forgot that he was a bloody robot.

[Addai]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
Jesting aside, you are putting words in my mouth. I said the feature was stupid, not the action. Crying if warranted would not only suffice but be encouraged. Having dialogue options to cry and/or whine on cue would be where the "stupid" part comes in.

Any stupider than any of the other emoticons on the dialogue wheel meant to cue the PC reaction to an event?  Why?

Modifié par Addai67, 01 février 2011 - 04:05 .

[blothulfur]

Because public displays of emotion are sickening and suspect.

Repressed cynicism is healthy and sane.

And all the voices in my head agree with me.

[JamieCOTC]

a) So many people don't see Shepard, Hawke or the Warden as a character, they see them as an avatar, an extension of themselves.  Hell, some probably see them as a cursor and nothing more. Crying, even big he-men, is fine for movies and television as we may project ourselves into those characters, but they are not by any means an extension of ourselves. That's why so many game game protagonists are little more than decoration, something to point and shoot/stab/whatever. 

Crying is an involuntary reaction to outside stimuli, just like extreme rage, fits of laughter, etc.  Crying "on cue" would be like breathing "on cue." The very idea is ridiculous.  It would have to be in a cut scene and that won't work because of option A. 

c) I don't think BW could pull it off w/out the PC looking fugly.  The crying would have to be manly tears, which is cliche and really, what's the point.  Given the new art direction in DA2, no ... just no.  ME might be able to pull it off, but I'm afraid there would be a temptation to overdue it.  Finally, given the glitches in LotSB, I don't trust BW enough to cue up the VA w/ the animation properly. 

So ... NO.

[Legbiter]

No emo runs for my Hawke. Also, men should in general keep the blubbing in front of women to an absolute minimum. Say, once or twice per lifetime. Women want men to be honest about and in touch with their emotions the same way the IRS wants you to be honest about your income. Too much wibbling and they take it as a subconscious sign to start seeking greener pastures.

[Elsariel]

Legbiter wrote...

No emo runs for my Hawke. Also, men should in general keep the blubbing in front of women to an absolute minimum. Say, once or twice per lifetime. Women want men to be honest about and in touch with their emotions the same way the IRS wants you to be honest about your income. Too much wibbling and they take it as a subconscious sign to start seeking greener pastures.

I call BS.  My husband weeps more than I do and he's every bit a man and I love him for it.  I love how men think all women don't want men who display emotion.  I'm here to say that not all women feel that way.  I love that my man is comfortable enough with his masculinity to shed some tears.  My man is not weak or wimpy or effeminate or emo. 
He's 100% man.  He's himself. 

[Legbiter]

JamieCOTC wrote...
So ... NO.

That's it, Tom Hanks has spoken.  You win the thread.

Modifié par Legbiter, 01 février 2011 - 05:13 .

[Bobad]

KyleOrdrum wrote...

I believe too many people here took the line from terminator 2 "I know now why you cry, though it's something I could never do" too seriously, and forgot that he was a bloody robot.

Aw great, thanks for spoiling it, I never knew that he was a robot

[Lomopingseph]

*sad thing happens*
Options on the Wheel:
 >Don't react
 >Make a sad face
 >Cry

That would just make me laugh in what was supposed to be a sad moment. It would seem forced.

[Lord Gremlin]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Crying is for women. There's only one acceptable exception to the rule where it is alright for a man to cry, and that is if they are kicked in the balls.

A man who won't cry when all his family has been murdered including small children is a ****ing monster. Just an example. Example, how you can portray a monster it game.

I think crying should be in game. It certainly adds to the overall impression.

[Lord Gremlin]

Lomopingseph wrote...

*sad thing happens*
Options on the Wheel:
 >Don't react
 >Make a sad face
 >Cry

That would just make me laugh in what was supposed to be a sad moment. It would seem forced.

More like choice linked to sad reaction results in crying in the end. Violent choice on the other hand makes hero urinate on the corpse... Regardless of hero's gender. And some nasty Varric's comments follow.

[tmp7704]

KLUME777 wrote...

Then why dont they make it where he/she only cries based off your characters personality from past choices. That way its way more likely that when the players character cries, the player won't mind or might even join in.

Could be simply an explicit choice, too.

* mourn
* hold back tears
* loot body and move on

[Legbiter]

Elsariel wrote...

I love that my man is comfortable enough with his masculinity to shed some tears.  My man is not weak or wimpy or effeminate or emo. 
He's 100% man.  He's himself. 

'Tis a bit off-topic. Send me a PM to continue this convo.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Vearsin wrote...

Considering hawke will have to wacth a younger sibling die he/she should at least have one hell of a sad face.

Obama Hawke's sad face after death of brother/sister:

[Micro_Chip]

AlexXIV wrote...

As someone said already, heroes don't cry. The only thing I could accept is a sad face and teary eyes in some really sad situation. But no actual crying.

Heroes cry ALL THE TIME!

Jack Bauer from 24 crys
Aragorn from Lord of the Rings crys (as do several other characters)
James Bond crys
Most of the characters of LOST cry at some point
Even Rambo crys!!!