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[nightcobra]

Micro_Chip wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

As someone said already, heroes don't cry. The only thing I could accept is a sad face and teary eyes in some really sad situation. But no actual crying.

Heroes cry ALL THE TIME!

Jack Bauer from 24 crys
Aragorn from Lord of the Rings crys (as do several other characters)
James Bond crys
Most of the characters of LOST cry at some point
Even Rambo crys!!!

even chuck norris cries:lol:

[Miss Greyjoy]

It doesn't even have to be ACTUAL crying. Even something simple could work- if the human noble had covered his/her face with his/her hands at the end of the human noble origin, that would have been something. It doesn't necessarily have to be voiced, or too over the top.

Modifié par Miss Greyjoy, 01 février 2011 - 05:52 .

[Micro_Chip]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Micro_Chip wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

As someone said already, heroes don't cry. The only thing I could accept is a sad face and teary eyes in some really sad situation. But no actual crying.

Heroes cry ALL THE TIME!

Jack Bauer from 24 crys
Aragorn from Lord of the Rings crys (as do several other characters)
James Bond crys
Most of the characters of LOST cry at some point
Even Rambo crys!!!

even chuck norris cries:lol:

:blink:

The end is Nigh!

[TheRevanchist]

For god sake people...why does the character have to be an unfeeling robot 24 hours a day? I LOVED the thing at the end of LotSB where Shepard...god forbid...shows emotions! He actually proves theres a person under there! I thought that was fantastic! I vote yes...if done right...character should cry in the right situations.



And everyone who says "Men don't cry"...then your not a man...a real man isn't afraid to cry imo.

[Legbiter]

kylecouch wrote...

For god sake people...why does the character have to be an unfeeling robot 24 hours a day? I LOVED the thing at the end of LotSB where Shepard...god forbid...shows emotions! He actually proves theres a person under there! I thought that was fantastic! I vote yes...if done right...character should cry in the right situations.

And everyone who says "Men don't cry"...then your not a man...a real man isn't afraid to cry imo.

Shepard didn't turn on the waterworks in LotSB. At most, Shepard gives a sigh and a grimace. I liked it, it was a sufficient emotional response to the coming Reaper apocalypse. 

[TheRevanchist]

Legbiter wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

For god sake people...why does the character have to be an unfeeling robot 24 hours a day? I LOVED the thing at the end of LotSB where Shepard...god forbid...shows emotions! He actually proves theres a person under there! I thought that was fantastic! I vote yes...if done right...character should cry in the right situations.

And everyone who says "Men don't cry"...then your not a man...a real man isn't afraid to cry imo.

Shepard didn't turn on the waterworks in LotSB. At most, Shepard gives a sigh and a grimace. I liked it, it was a sufficient emotional response to the coming Reaper apocalypse. 

Right...but who says there can't a sufficient time that allows him to shed tears?

[Count Viceroy]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Crying is for women. There's only one acceptable exception to the rule where it is alright for a man to cry, and that is if they are kicked in the balls.

A man who won't cry when all his family has been murdered including small children is a ****ing monster. Just an example. Example, how you can portray a monster it game.

I think crying should be in game. It certainly adds to the overall impression.

Oh please, that was obvious troll bait. Don't drag me into a serious discussion over that post.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 01 février 2011 - 06:27 .

[super_powered_chimp]

As pointed out in this thread, a lot of characters from stories have cried, even the manly ones. And maybe not just crying. Being able to display a wide arrange of emotions would be nice. The Warden had that blank stare all throughout the game... Kind of strange. And Shepard hardly expressed any infliction in his/her voice, except when being pissed here or there.

[Kenjimaster666]

Maybe emotional reactions could be triggered based on your responses throughout the convo.

[The Revenator]

Fishmas1 wrote...



Only if they're MANLY TEARS.

I agree fully, the only good tears are manly ones.

[AlexXIV]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Micro_Chip wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

As someone said already, heroes don't cry. The only thing I could accept is a sad face and teary eyes in some really sad situation. But no actual crying.

Heroes cry ALL THE TIME!

Jack Bauer from 24 crys
Aragorn from Lord of the Rings crys (as do several other characters)
James Bond crys
Most of the characters of LOST cry at some point
Even Rambo crys!!!

even chuck norris cries:lol:

Because they are actors. Actors cry alot actually.

[Potato Cat]

Crying would be good, just in REALLY emotional scenes though. Like if Merrill died. Which she won't. I shall not allow it!

[Noilly Prat]

We should at least get a scene where Hawke loses his or her composure and gives us a memorable  "noooooooooooo!!!!!!" moment.

[AlexXIV]

Noilly Prat wrote...

We should at least get a scene where Hawke loses his or her composure and gives us a memorable  "noooooooooooo!!!!!!" moment.

Like when he falls to the dark side and as a consequence his LI dies?

[Arcanthos]

Great idea if you are RPing

[elearon1]

Meh, realistically my characters do all their crying off screen, that way I don't have to worry about bad animation or voice acting ruining the scene for me.

It really isn't Bioware's place to tell me when my character should cry and every "cries" option in the dialog menu makes for one less option where I could be saying something else. Better for me if I just fill in the blanks with my imagination - I don't need the game to tell me everything my character does or thinks. (in fact I often fill in conversations and the like between party members myself when the game isn't doing it for me - I can't imagine the only time these people talk is the twenty or so times in a year the script allows them to)

Modifié par elearon1, 01 février 2011 - 09:31 .

[Micro_Chip]

AlexXIV wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Micro_Chip wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

As someone said already, heroes don't cry. The only thing I could accept is a sad face and teary eyes in some really sad situation. But no actual crying.

Heroes cry ALL THE TIME!

Jack Bauer from 24 crys
Aragorn from Lord of the Rings crys (as do several other characters)
James Bond crys
Most of the characters of LOST cry at some point
Even Rambo crys!!!

even chuck norris cries:lol:

Because they are actors. Actors cry alot actually.

Your oversimplifying it a bit. They're characters, just in the same way your PC is (be it Warden, Sheppard etc). These characters all display a sense of humanity and emotion.

[Addai]

elearon1 wrote...

Meh, realistically my characters do all their crying off screen, that way I don't have to worry about bad animation or voice acting ruining the scene for me.

It really isn't Bioware's place to tell me when my character should cry and every "cries" option in the dialog menu makes for one less option where I could be saying something else. Better for me if I just fill in the blanks with my imagination - I don't need the game to tell me everything my character does or thinks. (in fact I often fill in conversations and the like between party members myself when the game isn't doing it for me - I can't imagine the only time these people talk is the twenty or so times in a year the script allows them to)

Well I would say about the same thing regarding a voiced protagonist or cinematic presentation of the PC, but I was wondering why people who like that sort of thing might be against the idea of tears.  I mean, isn't one of the features of DA2 being touted that the PC can react to the environment, respond to banter and situations, etc.?  So you already have BioWare telling you what your character is going to do, using the cues you give.

[tmp7704]

AlexXIV wrote...

Because they are actors. Actors cry alot actually.

Actors play characters. That may involve crying if the character is supposed to be sad and such reaction was deemed appropriate.
When you play RPG, you play a character too. That may involve making the character cry if such reaction is deemed appropriate.

These are very similar, overall.

edit: 'ed

Modifié par tmp7704, 01 février 2011 - 10:51 .

[AtreiyaN7]

John Boehner cries at the drop of a hat (he even did it on 60 Minutes!!!). I think his propensity for crying so often in public is an example of when the crying thing gets a little excessive to the point of becoming annoying (but I'm a rather stoic individual for the most part). However, if you have characters tear up/cry on occasion, I think it would be acceptable/okay/welcome in an appropriate situation - so long as they're sparing, manly tears & all that (unless it's a fellow female, in which case I expect our tears would not be particularly manly).

[PsychoBlonde]

elearon1 wrote...

Meh, realistically my characters do all their crying off screen, that way I don't have to worry about bad animation or voice acting ruining the scene for me.

Yeah, I don't mind if it's well done and an optional scene, but this sort of thing doesn't work in a video game the way it does in a movie.  A video game protagonist and the protagonist in a movie are not the same sort of character, and if you start having the video game protagonist express emotions in certain ways, you're going to start having issues with depriving the player of agency.

One of the better (I thought) scenes in ME was when my Shepard got frustrated when the council would do nothing about the Reaper threat and punched that defenseless locker, then Kaiden came up to comfort her (sort of).  It struck me as suitable.  So I think it CAN be done, and done well, but I'm not sure it's worth it just to have Hawke show some tears.  It needs to otherwise be a part of what's going on.

[tmp7704]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Yeah, I don't mind if it's well done and an optional scene, but this sort of thing doesn't work in a video game the way it does in a movie.  A video game protagonist and the protagonist in a movie are not the same sort of character, and if you start having the video game protagonist express emotions in certain ways, you're going to start having issues with depriving the player of agency.

If it's optional and chosen by the player i don't think this is a case of depriving player of agency. Additionaly the complaints about "dead and emotionless" DA protagonist make it appear like the alternative of not showing emotions whatsoever isn't received any better.

[PsychoBlonde]

tmp7704 wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Yeah, I don't mind if it's well done and an optional scene, but this sort of thing doesn't work in a video game the way it does in a movie.  A video game protagonist and the protagonist in a movie are not the same sort of character, and if you start having the video game protagonist express emotions in certain ways, you're going to start having issues with depriving the player of agency.

If it's optional and chosen by the player i don't think this is a case of depriving player of agency. Additionaly the complaints about "dead and emotionless" DA protagonist make it appear like the alternative of not showing emotions whatsoever isn't received any better.

There are scenes in Origins where the Warden shows emotion, btw.  People just don't remember them because they're kind of trivial and/or awkward.  I'd rather have a stoic Hawke than bad pasted-on fake emotion.

[Withidread]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Yeah, I don't mind if it's well done and an optional scene, but this sort of thing doesn't work in a video game the way it does in a movie.  A video game protagonist and the protagonist in a movie are not the same sort of character, and if you start having the video game protagonist express emotions in certain ways, you're going to start having issues with depriving the player of agency.

If it's optional and chosen by the player i don't think this is a case of depriving player of agency. Additionaly the complaints about "dead and emotionless" DA protagonist make it appear like the alternative of not showing emotions whatsoever isn't received any better.

There are scenes in Origins where the Warden shows emotion, btw.  People just don't remember them because they're kind of trivial and/or awkward.  I'd rather have a stoic Hawke than bad pasted-on fake emotion.

Voiced characters could help on that front. There are certain things that just need to be given voice (so to speak) in order to work right.