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[upsettingshorts]

aaniadyen wrote...

What I really don't understand is why the chantry having parallels to the Catholic church is so damning. What difference does it make?

It gives players an avenue for their prejudices to enter the gameworld. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 01 février 2011 - 12:31 .

[Augustei]

aaniadyen wrote...

What I really don't understand is why the chantry having parallels to the Catholic church is so damning. What difference does it make?

Yeah I agree, the fact that some people dont like it simply because of reasons like that annoys me.
The only real  they have in common is that they are organised religions that believe in a single god really. But because the chantry reminds them of that Catholic church, and they are Athiests who dispise it. They decide to bring their opinion into the game on an organisation quite different.

[elearon1]

Irkalla wrote...

i hate all organized religion, I don't need any other reason to hate it.

You realize organized religions are responsible for starting many of the charities that have helped peopled the world over, for centuries, right?  And that the Christian church was a powerful force in pushing for the abolishment of slavery in the Americas?  And that they feed and house thousands of people every year all around the world?  That if you are homeless and without a job you can go to most Christian (and I'd bet other denominational) churches and they will help you out as much as they can?  Churches fund shelters for abused women, drug rehab, etc?

You don't have to agree with everything an organization does to admit it is capable of some good.  Churches, individually, are like franchise business and some will be run worse than others - and like any large organization you will also have people in power who are corrupt or clueless ... 

Personally, I don't feel organized religion is for me, nor do I like people who preach hatred and intolerance from either side of the pulpit, but I am willing to recognize the good as well as the bad.

Back to the matter of the game ... My Goody Goody noble boy was a devout church goer, while my city elf rogue could care less and my Dwarf noble thought it was a bunch of hogwash.
 

[andar91]

I neither like nor dislike the chantry as a whole, but I try and see them for what it is: an organized religion. They do good things, and bad things. I don't agree with all of their policies, and don't believe in the Maker myself (you know what I mean), but I can respect that they do good things for many people.

[Russalka]

Discussions over religion tend to get ugly.

[Crimmsonwind]

elearon1 wrote...
while my city elf rogue couldn't care less and my Dwarf noble thought it was a bunch of hogwash.

Fixed. I hate when people use that expression incorrectly.

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 01 février 2011 - 12:38 .

[elearon1]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

elearon1 wrote...
while my city elf rogue couldn't care less and my Dwarf noble thought it was a bunch of hogwash.

Fixed. I hate when people use that expression incorrectly.

Actually, I used it the way I intended; she could care less, and often did.

(I've been waiting a long time for someone to give me an in for that joke)

Modifié par elearon1, 01 février 2011 - 12:40 .

[Crimmsonwind]

elearon1 wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

elearon1 wrote...
while my city elf rogue couldn't care less and my Dwarf noble thought it was a bunch of hogwash.

Fixed. I hate when people use that expression incorrectly.

Actually, I used it the way I intended; she could care less, and often did.

(I've been waiting a long time for someone to give me an in for that joke)

Argh. But it looks weird. The expression is supposed to imply total apathy. And then you go and switch it around... STOP SCREWING WITH ME AND MY PET PEEVES!

[Augustei]

elearon1 wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

elearon1 wrote...
while my city elf rogue couldn't care less and my Dwarf noble thought it was a bunch of hogwash.

Fixed. I hate when people use that expression incorrectly.

Actually, I used it the way I intended; she could care less, and often did.

(I've been waiting a long time for someone to give me an in for that joke)

But when you say you could care less its very non specific.. You could care a great deal. You could care so much that you worship it.
If you couldn't care less, you dont care at all.. But you still care somewhere between 1-100 on the care metre if you say you could care less. Since its so non-specific theres no point even saying it at all

[blothulfur]

Shush else thou release the terrible grammar demon from its dreaded lair.

[Crimmsonwind]

blothulfur wrote...

Shush else thou release the terrible grammar demon from its dreaded lair.

Too late. >

[elearon1]

Warden: "I could care less about your Chantry"



Mother Superior: "But we are the beacon of enlightenment, protecting the children of the Maker from the scourge of the unbelievers blah blah .."



Warden: "See, I'm caring less already."

[Crimmsonwind]

@ elearon, I know it's technically right, but the common expression is "I couldn't care less," and I've seen so many people say "I could care less" when they mean "I couldn't care less," just because they don't know the expression properly. So it throws me off/bugs me when I see people say it.

Also, on topic, I know I don't like the Chantry. I don't dislike them either. I think they're irritating, to some degree. That's about as far as my feelings go in regards to the Chantry.

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 01 février 2011 - 12:49 .

[sonsonthebia07]

I need proof, as well as facts. We got the sacred ashes, and they actually had healing powers - but in a game world that has all sorts of magic, who's to say what really happened?

But the reason I don't like the chantry isn't their belief itself but the people behind it. These would be people that blindly follow whatever path they are set on, as well as come up with reason after reason to "spread the Maker's influence", without ever even questioning it. These would be the self-righteous zealots that think they are in some way above myself because they believe in something they have no proof even exists.

edit: Of course, this doesn't include every person that is a part of the chantry, but it does include a large amount of them from what I've seen in-game.

They also imprison mages. I understand that they believe that they are doing this with good reason, and I can even understand why - untrained mages are a constant threat to society - but there are good and bad apples in every bunch. I cannot condone locking away people simply because of a talent they were born (or perhaps cursed) with.

Modifié par sonsonthebia07, 01 février 2011 - 12:56 .

[Augustei]

elearon1 wrote...

Warden: "I could care less about your Chantry"

Mother Superior: "But we are the beacon of enlightenment, protecting the children of the Maker from the scourge of the unbelievers blah blah .."

Warden: "See, I'm caring less already."

Yeah but I dont know if the city elf rogue cares or not about the chantry. Im going to assume (s)he worships the chantry and would not sway from their ways.. because he said he could care less. so I will assume he is at a 100 on the care metre

[elearon1]

XxDeonxX wrote...
Yeah but I dont know if the city elf rogue cares or not about the chantry. Im going to assume (s)he worships the chantry and would not sway from their ways.. because he said he could care less. so I will assume he is at a 100 on the care metre 

At that point, like any smart ass remark or snarky comment, it's all in the delivery.

[Mlaar]

nowt wrong with the Chantry they serve a purpose and help to instill belief in the populace but as people so rightly have said its certain individuals within the organization that tend to be the problem ahh well maker be willing we will sort some of that problem out.



now a quick question im not sure on: Chantry apposes Blood Magic but what kind of magic do they use to track down malefica? slightly confuses me as using vials of blood to track them down reeks of dark magics but I may have missed something that says otherwise

[Lotion Soronarr]

Irkalla wrote...

i hate all organized religion, I don't need any other reason to hate it.

I hate all religion-haters. I  don't need no other reason to hate them.<_<

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 01 février 2011 - 01:03 .

[FaeTian]

Phaffner wrote...

Its not the chantry that is evil, its the people that use it to further their own corrupt ways that are evil.

^This

[elearon1]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Irkalla wrote...
i hate all organized religion, I don't need any other reason to hate it.

I hate all religion-haters. I  don't need no other reason to hate them.<_<

I hate all haters, and I hate all reasons to hate them, and not; contrariwise. 

[Xewaka]

Mlaar wrote...
now a quick question im not sure on: Chantry apposes Blood Magic but what kind of magic do they use to track down malefica? slightly confuses me as using vials of blood to track them down reeks of dark magics but I may have missed something that says otherwise

You missed the part where it says "this specific blood magic is approved by the Chantry, so it's OK".

Modifié par Xewaka, 01 février 2011 - 01:10 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

elearon1 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Irkalla wrote...
i hate all organized religion, I don't need any other reason to hate it.

I hate all religion-haters. I  don't need no other reason to hate them.<_<

I hate all haters, and I hate all reasons to hate them, and not; contrariwise. 

I hate hate! And I hate not hating!


EDIt:
Intersintlgy enough, I really don't get it why some people are so hating the "spreading the word" part of the Cahtnry ( and religionin general).
Spreading (what we think is) the turth is what we ALL do. Athesists and people of all religions.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 01 février 2011 - 01:12 .

[Ndutz]

I like them. Well not really but their priests are bunch of hotties.

SO they wear anything under those robes?

Modifié par Ndutz, 01 février 2011 - 01:18 .

[Wompoo]

elearon1 wrote...

Warden: "I could care less about your Chantry"

Mother Superior: "But we are the beacon of enlightenment, protecting the children of the Maker from the scourge of the unbelievers blah blah .."

Warden: "See, I'm caring less already."

Thank you, put a smile on my dial.

[commanderVal]

Personally, I do not accept any religion to guide me, I find the thought rather moronic. But religions as an organizing force seems to be a good idea because from experience I have come to believe that humanity, as a mass entity, is self destructive, and therefore needs to be guided, sometimes against their will.
In the game, my warden was usually a templar/champion human noble who adhered to chantry principles on a general basis but would also disregard chantry teachings when it seemed appropriate- such as not allowing the dwarf to set up a chantry in Orzammar. All beliefs must be accepted and not forced.
Following anything blindly is foolish, we all know that- the same applies to the chantry, the church or whatever else one follows.