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[moilami]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Anything you can do I can do better! I can do anything better than you!
I'm being snide. My apologies. The thing is, for every example you can give that shows how a rogue or warrior can do something that is like what a mage can do, the fact remains that the mage can actually also do that thing you just mentioned. A mage can learn all kinds of crazy combat techniques. A mage can go nuts and murder lots of people. And so on and so forth. The only actual difference between any of them is that a mage can access the fade and release demons. That's it.

And it is only mages who can go nuts? No rogues or warriors? Templars especially can't go nuts?

You did not understand when I said a rogue can be also "possessed" by "insanity demon" existing only in his head. You wont just see any demons, but the result will be the same or easily much worse. If a mage commits a suicide and lets a demon posses him (and remember suicide is not easy to do) it is just a matter of killing the demon. Not a biggie. Call the police and enjoy the show, but don't let kids go too close to watch.

I have had enough of this. My toon is not a coward, and he will just move to some free country. After that you get just what you deserve.

[the_one_54321]

An "insanity demon" that exists within his head is not the same thing as a demon that comes from the fade and has actual magical powers to use on people...

[Veex]

the_one_54321 wrote...

The only actual difference between any of them is that a mage can access the fade and release demons. That's it.

Well, that and perform blood magic or other rituals to dominate and control the mind. We don't all have a Litany of Adralla, unfortunately.

[Maria Caliban]

Dante Angelo wrote...

I didn't like how at ostegar when the priestess asked if I wanted a blessing and I said no she got all angry and call me a heathen. Also seeing as how the chantry is against blood magic doesn't the whole mage phylactry concept count as blood magic? I could be wrong

Yes.

Then again, I doubt the average member of the Chantry has any idea what a mage phylactery is or that it's a form of blood magic.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I feel like the Chantry is far to broad a concept for it to be universally "liked" or "disliked" as if those are the only two options for the entire thing.



As far as my characters go, I tend to mostly play "good guy" characters and they tend to view a live and let live attitude to other people's religions. So even my Dalish Elf and Dwarf Noble don't really mind being out in Chantry lands.



For example. my Dalish elf may hate the fact that the Chantry and humans destoryed his people's homeland and left them disenfranchised for centuries but that doesn't mean he hates all humans everywhere. I just didn't see any point in arguing with a priestess who simply offered a blessing, He was about to go into battle with the Darkspawn alongside these people, he'd told her he didn't believe in the Maker and it's not like she demanded he convert or anything.

[Gabey5]

Is it just me or does every Templar sound like a depressed guy who hates his job?

[Augustei]

Burayan_Koga wrote...

From what I've seen of them, they have done more harm than good.

How?
Apart from restricting the rights of the mages, What harm have they done? The Treatment of Elves currently is not their problem, it is the problem of the Monarchs and leaders of each of the nations.
The dales incident cannot be claimed to be wrong on their part nor wrong on the dales part. Lack of Evidence and nothing but Bias accounts means it cannot count.

And The good they have done? Maintained Order and general peace across the lands, Unified the lands against Mass Invasions of the Qunari, Taken care of dangerous maleficar and demons so they do not harm the innocent.
Organising charities to help out the poor, sick, needy.
Provided Occupations and many jobs for the people of thedas
Inspired Faith in many a people.
Organised a system so that people are able to request assistance and have it displayed publically so that they are likely to get help.

Excluding the Mistreatment of mages which Imo is over-exaggerated. And the slaying of "malefiar" when they could have been apostates is the only real harm they commit

[Augustei]

Gabey5 wrote...

Is it just me or does every Templar sound like a depressed guy who hates his job?

Alistair?

[Morning808]

I don't care for the chantry just like I don't care for the curch...the chantry does nice things but I still care nothing for it and might enjoy seeing it burn

[Dante Angelo]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

I didn't like how at ostegar when the priestess asked if I wanted a blessing and I said no she got all angry and call me a heathen.

That makes her evil then? Just because she got rude - the WHOLE Chantry is bad?

I never thought she was evil I just thought that it was rude and it hurt my manly feelings

Modifié par Dante Angelo, 01 février 2011 - 06:43 .

[Gabey5]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Is it just me or does every Templar sound like a depressed guy who hates his job?

Alistair?

the commander at the tower
the commander at lotehring

[The Revenator]

In my current playthrough I have to, being a Templar and all.

[JrayM16]

The Chantry are like many organized religions in real life, they've done a lot of good, stuff, but they've also done terrible things.



For every time they unite the land against a looming threat, they may launch a massive and largely unjustified attack on "heathens" and proceed to wipe out their culture.



And for every blood mage they successfully stop, there is probably a mage who only turned to blood amgic to fight against the Chantry's oppression.

[AlexXIV]

Gabey5 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Is it just me or does every Templar sound like a depressed guy who hates his job?

Alistair?

the commander at the tower
the commander at lotehring

Being Templar isn't exactly a cheery job. Much like Grey Warden.

[moilami]

Maria Caliban wrote...

moilami wrote...

I just ignored her chantry talk and took what she had to offer for  *me*

Such a charmer.

Well, a man can do what a man can do, so why not do it? xD


Edit: I can't fall in love on those pixel dolls but I can ask who would not love Leliana?

Modifié par moilami, 01 février 2011 - 07:24 .

[Annihilator27]

Gabey5 wrote...

Is it just me or does every Templar sound like a depressed guy who hates his job?

Thats why im going to give them all a permanent vacation.

[moilami]

The Revenator wrote...

In my current playthrough I have to, being a Templar and all.

I have been thinking about rolling a "black templar" not addicted to meth lyrium.


Edit: But why do that when my Dwarf berzerker is much more fun.

Modifié par moilami, 01 février 2011 - 07:09 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Revenator wrote...

In my current playthrough I have to, being a Templar and all.

i thought being "a Templar" was more about being a member of the templar order, not just learning templar disciplines.

Alistair isn't a full fledged Templar, he's a Grey Warden.

[Erani]

Trintrin86 wrote...

Erani wrote...

I don't hate the Chantry, but their self-righteous and intolerant attitude towards elves and mages is just plain wrong. I dislike the Chantry a lot, and also dislike how they control Templars by exploiting their lyrium addition. I believe in the "Maker" and overall the religious lore in the game is pretty interesting, but I don't think the Chantry should be all-powerful. To me, they self-nominated to be divine enforcers. The Maker has left and so the Chantry has no authority to speak in "his" name.

People keep saying that the Chantry has an intolerent attitude towards elves. The Chantry has an intolerent attitude towards the *Dalish* elves for reasons that are completely in line with their philosphy. The Dalish worship "false gods", they must accept the Maker into their hearts and that will bring Him one step closer to returning. In that regard the Chantry is no different from any other expansionist religion.

But I can't think of a single in game instance where the Chantry as a whole shows a bias against elves simply for being elves. The priestess in the city elf orgin seems more than happy to preside over the wedding. The Grand Cleric is outraged on behalf of the city elves in the Landsmeet if you mention that Loghain is selling them into slavery. The subjegation of the elves is cultural on a level far beyond the Chantry.

Treatment of mages is as talked about in another thread, a sticky point and there are very good arguments on both sides.

The Templar issue is the one point where I have to say that the Chantry seems to be taking what is arguably an "evil" act. They are forcing an addiction to Lyrium for no apparent benefit. But of course we as players don't know the whole story behind that, and I'm sure David Gaider and crew have a lovely, morally ambigious answer for why they do that.

I'm sorry but just because the priestess in the CE origin agrees to have the wedding doesn't mean the Chantry is tolerant/accepting or sees elves as equals. Sure, they want the city elves to have "Maker certified" weddings, as they see this as an indication of the elves accepting their ways (Chantry wedding vs elf non-chantry wedding).
The Chantry seems to have no problem with the elves "living" like diseased dogs in the alienages though, in complete poverty and still subservient to humans.
How come the Denerim Chantry didn't come to the city elf and her/his companion's help when they were abducted/raped? They could've sent their Templars, but didn't. Nobility is not above the Chantry so they could've done something about it.
Also, the Grand Cleric gets pissed off at Loghain during the Landsmeet because of Jowan, not the slavery thing.

So yeah, nothing morally ambiguous about that.
The mages situation I'm not even gonna get into, as there about 100 threads about it.

[Legbiter]

As for the chantry, I hope the main conflict isn't primarily about internal chantry politics vis-à-vis their pet magelings for instance. It just dosen't have the same oomphf as does, say, killing an archdemon and stopping a Blight.

[moilami]

Chantry, pfft, imagine a cult where its members are encouraged to only chant the same mantra and not speak anything else. HAHAHAHAHA, what can you expect of that kind of cult?


Edit: The current cultist chantry is best reformed and the sooner it happens the better. There are many lost and poor people vulnerable to become mind controlled by this cultist chantry. Glad I managed to take Leliana with me before it was too late for her!

Modifié par moilami, 01 février 2011 - 08:36 .

[Riona45]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Most people on these forums seem to hate the chantry.. Generally because they relate this game to real life and the opinions they have formed IRL. seem to carry over to Dragon age, So it would seem.. But lets not talk about that.

I love how *you* feel the need to talk about it but then tell everyone else not to.

[Riona45]

moilami wrote...
 Glad I managed to take Leliana with me before it was too late for her!

To be fair, her beliefs were already heterodox.

[moilami]

Riona45 wrote...

moilami wrote...
 Glad I managed to take Leliana with me before it was too late for her!

To be fair, her beliefs were already heterodox.

Not going to check what that word means, possibly something like religious, but I have nothing against religious people. If they get some kind of comfort, strenght, and hope by believing in some good thing what can I say? Good for them. But if they chose to form a cult with all kind of sick agendas I definetly have a word to say.

Modifié par moilami, 01 février 2011 - 08:44 .

[Archereon]

Why does everyone here hate the Chantry? Because nearly everyone here isn't Catholic. I'd be willing to bet if we polled every DA:O player, their views on the Chantry would directly mirror their real-life religious views.

As an atheist, I think the world would be better off without the Chantry, but I have to say that they are rather progressive compared to their real-life equivelant.  At least they have an actual reason for their witch hunts for one.

Modifié par Archereon, 01 février 2011 - 08:46 .