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[Ace Attorney]

 When Alistair leaves, does the gear he has go to your backpack?
Is the Secret Companion a good that late? Is his auto-level until then smart?
Is it worth waiting for the Secret Companion to Return to Ostagar or is it better to take Alistair? Does RtO have locked chests?

[shatteredstar56]

If you're gonna pick the Secret Companion, then strip Alister naked before. He takes everything he has and doesn't look back.

I always took Alister, although if you can with the SC it might provide secret insight.

Yes.

[mousestalker]

T3hAnubis wrote...

 When Alistair leaves, does the gear he has go to your backpack?

No. Strip Alistair before the Landsmeet if you go that route. Not to mention, seeing Alistair throw a hissy fit starkers is pure comedy gold. It definitely takes the edge off of betraying one of the few genuinely decent people in the game.

Is the Secret Companion a good that late? Is his auto-level until then smart?

Kind of. The auto leveling is every bit as good or bad as it is for anyone else. He has some decent armour and a very crappy sword.

Is it worth waiting for the Secret Companion to Return to Ostagar or is it better to take Alistair? Does RtO have locked chests?

I enjoyed having him and Wynne at Ostagar. It certainly beat having Alistair and Wynne at Ostagar. There are some locked chests, yes.

Modifié par mousestalker, 01 février 2011 - 04:18 .

[Tigress M]

You should definitely take the SC to RtO, at least once. And when going to the woods to pick up that quest, have the SC in your party but leave Wynne at camp... you'll get a wonderful line from the SC.

Edit:  But yes, Mouse is right... pick her up before actually going to RtO... despite what the SC says.  LOL

Modifié par Tigress M, 01 février 2011 - 04:19 .

[Ace Attorney]

mousestalker wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

 When Alistair leaves, does the gear he has go to your backpack?

No. Strip Alistair before the Landsmeet if you go that route. Not to mention, seeing Alistair throw a hissy fit starkers is pure comedy gold. It definitely takes the edge off of betraying one of the few genuinely decent people in the game.

Is the Secret Companion a good that late? Is his auto-level until then smart?

Kind of. The auto leveling is every bit as good or bad as it is for anyone else. He has some decent armour and a very crappy sword.

Is it worth waiting for the Secret Companion to Return to Ostagar or is it better to take Alistair? Does RtO have locked chests?

I enjoyed having him and Wynne at Ostagar. It certainly beat having Alistair and Wynne at Ostagar. There are some locked chests, yes.

It isn't betrayal at all in my eyes. *SPOILER*


Yeah, he got Alistair's brother killed but having him as a Warden serves a practical and strategic purpose, plus it serves as a better punishment than death, since his hate of Wardens. I can understand Alistair's feelings but Ferelden's future must come before vengeance.

*END SPOILER*

[Sarah1281]

The 'secret companion'? We all know it's Loghain. Was this moved from a non-spoiler forum or something?

[Cutlass Jack]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The 'secret companion'? We all know it's Loghain. Was this moved from a non-spoiler forum or something?

Even in the spoiler forum you can't have spoilers in your titles. (since it could ruin the game for someone from the Main forum list)

[Sarah1281]

Sure but all of the posts keep referring to him as 'the secret companion.'

[mousestalker]

Hey! I just quoted the OP.



Loghain! Loghain! Loghain!



Hmm, nothing happened.



Hastur! Hastur ! Hast.... uh oh.

[errant_knight]

Me, I'd rather read Loghain's dialogue in the toolset than betray Alistair (others might not see it that way, but I do--and Alistair certainly does) or let Loghain become a warden. And I bet his RtO stuff is on youtube. I've heard that Loghain doesn't measure up to Alistair in battle even though he levels, but I have never tried it to see.

Modifié par errant_knight, 01 février 2011 - 06:56 .

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

Me, I'd rather read Loghain's dialogue in the toolset than betray Alistair (others might not see it that way, but I do--and Alistair certainly does) or let Loghain become a warden. And I bet his RtO stuff is on youtube. I've heard that Loghain doesn't measure up to Alistair in battle even though he levels, but I have never tried it to see.

He's just set up a little differently.  High willpower and constitution with some cunning.  He also has high resistances.  If you have the respec mod, you can make an Alistair clone of him, or at least bump up strength if you want to change his armor.  I think he's fine with his default setup, however.  I don't notice him dying any more than Alistair.

[Ace Attorney]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Me, I'd rather read Loghain's dialogue in the toolset than betray Alistair (others might not see it that way, but I do--and Alistair certainly does) or let Loghain become a warden. And I bet his RtO stuff is on youtube. I've heard that Loghain doesn't measure up to Alistair in battle even though he levels, but I have never tried it to see.

He's just set up a little differently.  High willpower and constitution with some cunning.  He also has high resistances.  If you have the respec mod, you can make an Alistair clone of him, or at least bump up strength if you want to change his armor.  I think he's fine with his default setup, however.  I don't notice him dying any more than Alistair.

Console player...why does everyone here assumes we are all PC Gamers.

[Zjarcal]

Loghain's build is fine. Too much willpower? Perhaps, but it does make it easier for him to have all sustained abilities on without worrying about Stamina. And honestly, he was just as effective in battle as Alistair was. At the end of the day it was still my warden doing the heavy killing.

T3hAnubis wrote...
Console player...why does everyone here assumes we are all PC Gamers.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Well, she did say "IF you have the respec mod...". Obviously console players won't have it.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 février 2011 - 07:22 .

[Persephone]

errant_knight wrote...

Me, I'd rather read Loghain's dialogue in the toolset than betray Alistair (others might not see it that way, but I do--and Alistair certainly does) or let Loghain become a warden. And I bet his RtO stuff is on youtube. I've heard that Loghain doesn't measure up to Alistair in battle even though he levels, but I have never tried it to see.

Read it in the TS and miss Simon T.'s glorious VO acting? Perish the thought. Never mind the fact that I do not see it as betraying Alistair personally, rather the other way around.

He is fine as a tank, even without a respec Mod. His combo of high willpower and Constitution is quite brilliant. Never had him die more often than Alistair.

[Zjarcal]

I don't want to fan the flames about the betrayal thing but I have a thought. Perhaps those who play the game sharing Alistair's view on Loghain and expressing a desire to see justice get served (specifically, killing Loghain), would see it as a betrayal because they are breaking the "pact" they had with Alistair. In more than one occasion during the game you can openly express a desire to see Loghain pay with his life. If you played your warden that way, then yeah, it can be seen as a betrayal of sorts.



On the other hand, those of us who played without ever expressing any desire to kill Loghain, or who simply didn't share Alistair's view (perhaps even hating Alistair's guts), well... that can hardly be called a betrayal since there wasn't really anything to betray in the first place.

[Persephone]

Zjarcal wrote...

I don't want to fan the flames about the betrayal thing but I have a thought. Perhaps those who play the game sharing Alistair's view on Loghain and expressing a desire to see justice get served (specifically, killing Loghain), would see it as a betrayal because they are breaking the "pact" they had with Alistair. In more than one occasion during the game you can openly express a desire to see Loghain pay with his life. If you played your warden that way, then yeah, it can be seen as a betrayal of sorts.

On the other hand, those of us who played without ever expressing any desire to kill Loghain, or who simply didn't share Alistair's view (perhaps even hating Alistair's guts), well... that can hardly be called a betrayal since there wasn't really anything to betray in the first place.

Good point, that. Agreed.

[Giggles_Manically]

But you huwt his fweewings!

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Me, I'd rather read Loghain's dialogue in the toolset than betray Alistair (others might not see it that way, but I do--and Alistair certainly does) or let Loghain become a warden. And I bet his RtO stuff is on youtube. I've heard that Loghain doesn't measure up to Alistair in battle even though he levels, but I have never tried it to see.

He's just set up a little differently.  High willpower and constitution with some cunning.  He also has high resistances.  If you have the respec mod, you can make an Alistair clone of him, or at least bump up strength if you want to change his armor.  I think he's fine with his default setup, however.  I don't notice him dying any more than Alistair.

I must have built Alistair all wrong, because I noticed a huge improvement in S/S Warrior performance after my Mage recruited Loghain. Actually, he was a massive improvement on all my other companions, as well. I only left him in camp for one mission after recruiting him and I missed him immediately. Battles were so much slower without him and involved so many more injuries and defensive work for my Mage. He and Dog just charged in and demolished everything so fast. I noticed when I recruited him that his Dex was higher than most of my warriors' --though I did make sure I increased Dex on all of them at least a bit-- and his Strength wasn't nearly as high as I had expected it to be. In fact, I don't think he had enough strength to equip the Starfang; I had to give him an amulet or something so I could get rid of that lousy sword of his. He does have a lousy sword but his armor is very good. I eventually (when he had the strength) gave him Duty as a helmet --I thought it was fitting. In any case I think he only died in dragon fights until we got through the gates in Denerim, where the various bosses gave him a bit of trouble. He tended to attract a lot of aggro/boss attention. . .and then I went and made him a Berserker, too. . .oops. Dragons in particular thought him extremely crunchable.

[Edit]: I should note that I blazed through the pre-Landsmeet requirements and recruited Loghain somewhat earlier than I guess is normal, so it's not like we went straight from Landsmeet to Redcliffe Castle. I had unexplored areas in the Brecilian Forest, Haven and the Ruined Temple, and Orzammar and the Deep Roads to tackle, plus Flemeth, the High Dragon, the Stone's Lament, Gaxkang and Ostagar. So Loghain (a) was underleveled compared to what he normally would be and ( got a good workout before hitting Denerim for the final battle.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 01 février 2011 - 08:07 .

[HolyAvenger]

Loghain was a bit worse than Alistair in my game, but since my PC was a sword and board warrior it didn't matter too much as I used him as an off-tank.



I always gave Alistair Cailan's armour set for the Landsmeet. Fitting, and rubbish enough that I won't miss it.

[CalJones]

Note that if you have hardened Alistair and have him marry Anora, you can still access his inventory back at Eamon's Denerim estate post-Landsmeet. Likewise, if you agree with Anora that Alistair should be executed, his gear appears in the trunk in the room he and Eamon were standing in.

You only lose the gear if you have him exiled.