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[Asch Lavigne]

I found this (social.bioware.com/project/1331/) a while ago and was wondering if anyone had come across the same type of thing but for Awakening.

I love being able to create the Origins characters to look like however I want and would very much like to do so for the Awakening characters.

So if anyone knows anything I would be very appreciative.

[DarthParametric]

Bioware haven't released the source files for Awakening or the DLC. Given the stage in the day we are at, I wouldn't expect them to ever do so.

[Asch Lavigne]

I see. Well thank you none the less.

[Elvhen Veluthil]

Did Awakening/DLC added new props/plaecables/vfx/scripts and so on, or are we talking here just for the new levels? What new things will the modders get if they released the source files?

[ladydesire]

Pretty much anything that doesn't exist in the current toolset release; I've PMed some developers to see if they can make an update on the toolset update status for us.

[Asch Lavigne]

ladydesire wrote...

 I've PMed some developers to see if they can make an update on the toolset update status for us.

Wow, I'd never get the courage to ask the developers anything, even if I knew one of them. But I think, as Darth Parametric said, if they were going to release it, they would have by now. Seeing as DA2 comes out next month why would they bother? But for all I know, that could very well be the reason, "Origins is over, what do we care, here people, have the files, enjoy."

I'm keeping my fingers crossed though. Please let us know what they say.

[Valmarn]

Well, Dragon Age Origins is going to be loved for years to come, especially with the toolset at our disposal. No, there is no financial gain to be had by releasing the Awakening and DLC source files, but it'll prolong their enjoyment of DAO, and it's always wise to keep your fans happy.

[Asch Lavigne]

They may think they've kept us happy enough by letting us mod the heck out of Origins already, and DA2 soon.

[ladydesire]

I don't have a set date for it, but I've been told by one of my sources that they still want to provide the content for us as they intended; they simply won't have the time to do it until after DA2 is released. I'll know more in a few weeks.

[Asch Lavigne]

Thank you, ladydesire.

[ladydesire]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Thank you, ladydesire.

Not a problem; I know there are a few modders I'm working with that would like to have this stuff as well.

[jackkel dragon]

ladydesire wrote...
 they simply won't have the time to do it until after DA2 is released. I'll know more in a few weeks.

Every time I hear this, I wonder why it gives me so much hope.

[-Semper-]

ladydesire wrote...

I don't have a set date for it, but I've been told by one of my sources that they still want to provide the content for us as they intended; they simply won't have the time to do it until after DA2 is released. I'll know more in a few weeks.

that's simply pr talk. in the past there were hundreds of promises and not a single one was held. months ago mike interviewed two of bioware's staff and they also spoke about additions to the toolset (updates, plugins and so on) and the social site for the upcoming weeks and nothing happened.

i am not stating that it's impossible that there will be an update for the current toolset but i highly doubt it. with mass effect 3, the old republic and perhaps dragon age 3 there is no time for such bussines.

[DarthParametric]

It's more likely a question of reward rather than time. There's nothing for them to gain by providing it. If anything, you could argue that free community-made mods detract from their potential DLC sales. After all, how many lame retexture DLCs do you think they could have sold for DA1 (PC version at least) like they have for ME2? If there's no toolset update for DA2, what do you think the chances are of that sort of stuff suddenly appearing for it?

[ladydesire]

Semper: they've always stated that updates were dependant on available personel; I don't recall Fernando or Victor giving a firm date for anything in either interview.



Darth: Unless the model format has been changed, I don't see why they would want to render us unable to mod DA2, nor do I see a reason for them to withhold content when they know we can make use of it in ways that they never expected for DAO.

[DarthParametric]

I don't think there has been anything unexpected mod-wise for DA1. And I explained the reason not to go out of their way to facilitate modding for DA2 - less free content means wider scope to hock horse armour-esque DLC like party members reskins (a la the appearance packs for ME2).

[-Semper-]

ladydesire wrote...

Semper: they've always stated that updates were dependant on available personel; I don't recall Fernando or Victor giving a firm date for anything in either interview.

that's right. instead they used phrases like "within the next little while", "try to catch up hard", "short term changes", "we'll speak about this fairly soon"... now 5 months have passed and nothing happened, not even a single word. there are dozens of dead posts and threads from the bioware staff left without continuation. all that remains are fluffy promises about a bright future which is the true nature of pr talk

Modifié par -Semper-, 05 février 2011 - 02:36 .

[ladydesire]

DarthParametric wrote...

I don't think there has been anything unexpected mod-wise for DA1. And I explained the reason not to go out of their way to facilitate modding for DA2 - less free content means wider scope to hock horse armour-esque DLC like party members reskins (a la the appearance packs for ME2).

They can still do that and release a toolset update; I don't understand why you brought up ME2, since that game series started out on Xbox 360 and there never was a toolset for the PC version to begin with.

Semper: Even when they did mention it on the first interview, they specifically said that they couldn't promise a release date, simply because they didn't know if, or when, the toolset team might be needed to help with DA2 issues. They left the timetable vague enough that "a few months" could mean anything, including "after DA2 release", which seems to be the case. We shall see.

[-Semper-]

ladydesire wrote...

They left the timetable vague enough that "a few months" could mean anything, including "after DA2 release", which seems to be the case. We shall see.

it's not just about the update for the toolset. the social network also lacks features and origins could use another patch too... there are many construction sites. but that's another story^^

[DarthParametric]

ladydesire wrote...

I don't understand why you brought up ME2, since that game series started out on Xbox 360 and there never was a toolset for the PC version to begin with.

There's no official toolset or mod tools for any UE3 game besides UT3, console or PC. However you are right, the ME series is console first, a direction that they also seem to be taking with DA2, which is why I mentioned ME2. It's likely we are going to see a similar DLC strategy, which, as I said, would be reason enough not to bother with a toolset. They've made it pretty clear they are more interested in dumbing the game down to appeal to as wide an audience as possible rather than catering to their traditional fanbase. As a business move I guess you can't really fault them on that, but it's a strategy that doesn't seem to make a toolset or any sort of modding support a logical inclusion.

[Proleric]

To be fair, I don't think Bioware has broken any commitments.

If certain features are disappointing (e.g. module hosting), perhaps we allowed ourselves to expect too much.

There has been no commitment to do anything after DA2. I can't imagine why there would suddenly be a business case for ongoing toolset and social site enhancement, since that has already been cut to zero.

However, there might be a brief window of opportunity if the team has a little spare time after DA2 launch. I don't think anyone can guarantee that. I'm not surprised that it's only mentioned as a possibility.

So, maybe we'll get a content drop and/or toolset features for DA2, maybe not.

Either way, we do have a very good toolset right now, which we can use for years to come, with or without support.

Modifié par Proleric1, 06 février 2011 - 09:39 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, yeah of course they can say they're going to do such and such and just say it to keep people happy for a time, and we've all seen it before. And if they are doing that, well there's nothing we can do, as much as that sucks. We'd all like to believe that these companies care about their fans and would want to please them. I don't really know where Bioware falls in there. Sometimes they do seem to listen to what we want and don't want and would like. And yes, sometimes they just say "No, we don't want to." Like if you've been paying any attention to any DA2 posts, people are wondering about "what if I killed so and so, how can they be back in DA2?" and Bioware has pretty much said "Well its our game and if we want so and so back even if you killed him, too bad."



But on the other hand, they do have DA2 and the last DLC for ME2 and then ME3, so them saying they're busy at the moment is believable. I would like to believe that they will eventually release a toolset update, but I'm not holding my breath. Plus, even if they did release it right now, most people, like me, wouldn't touch it for a while with DA2 about to keep us occupied. And then everyone will want DA2 mods and toolset stuff.

[ladydesire]

Do you mean like Flemeth? I don't think a lot of player that are complaining about some of those things don't yet realize the timeline overlap between the two stories.



As for the toolset update; I tend to believe that they want to do it, and really did intend for it to have been done long ago.

[jackkel dragon]

The way I see it (that keeps me from ranting like I did a few months ago) is that, whether or not BioWare really intends to give us the stuff, they have more important things to work on right now. I'm not sure if that's pessimistic or optimistic, but should any toolset update come out I sure won't be complaining!

[Darkmage187]

ladydesire wrote...

As for the toolset update; I tend to believe that they want to do it, and really did intend for it to have been done long ago.

I sincerely hope that your beliefs turn out to be correct, Ladydesire.  Much as I enjoyed DAO, I enjoyed messing around with the toolset even more, to the point where I would seriously consider NOT purchasing DA2 if Bioware refuses to update the toolset.

On a somewhat related note, does anyone know if Bryan Derksen is still active within the community?  I tried PM'ing him a couple times over the last few weeks regarding the aforementioned topic, but thus far no response.

Modifié par Darkmage187, 11 février 2011 - 03:07 .