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[Guitar-Hero]

Oh or.. SSV.. Stephen Colbert.. That would be epic

[Wulfram]

Iwo Jima and Normandy aren't that far in the past - only just passing out of living memory, what with the 150 year life span.



Conceptual names seem rather less nationalistic than geographical which are necessarily in one nation or another. Though I guess the question of which language to use might get a bit difficult.



I don't think Mass Effect is at all hard sci fi, and even if it was I can't see that having interesting ship names rather than bland geographical onces would change that.

[DCopeland]

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Trolling-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of cool story. It impacts with the force of a 38-kilotomb troll face. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth.

[Burdokva]

I thought that Mass Effect would be a bit more inspired by real space exploration. The first had a cool nod towards history by naming star systems and clusters, even Gagarin station, but I think having ships after cosmonauts would have been even better. SSV Gagarin, SSV Titov, SSV Armstrong, SSV Ivanov etc. Or space stations continuing the naming tradition of real ones.



Otherwise, conceptual names that represent characteristics typical of soldiers are best fitting. The Bulgarian Navy uses a lot of these, just like the UK Royal Navy - Brave, Bold, Daring, Loud and so on.

[Saren100]

Steffen wrote...

Oh or.. SSV.. Stephen Colbert.. That would be epic

He already has the treadmill on the ISS he deserves the Dreadnought to go with it.

Colbert is awesome 

[Bailyn242]

Pimin86 wrote...

need more Greek and maybe Norse mythological or historical names.

it would be so much cooler if our ships were called like..

Valhala, Olympus, Thor, Zeus, Odin, Apollo, Loki, Athena,
Thermopylae, Alexander, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Ragnarok
etc etc...

Why limit it to western civ history? Kali was a bad ass. I'm sure there are others as well.

[ObserverStatus]

I want to see an SSV Nixon

[Bailyn242]

Some Dude wrote...

I hope we see an SSV Chicago or SSV Belleau Wood

Woot! Love the Belleau Wood ref. How about the SSV Sargent York or the Chesty Puller for Dreadnaughts? 

I love the Frigate naming convention. There are some great battles you could use, Agincourt (already in the game), Stirling, Bannockburn, Breitenfeld, Alte Veste, Marathon, Thermopylae, Iwo Jima (already in the game/books?), Alexander's battles through Persia. Geesh, there are a ton of great names there alone.

[2kgnsiika]

Wulfram wrote...

Iwo Jima and Normandy aren't that far in the past - only just passing out of living memory, what with the 150 year life span.

Conceptual names seem rather less nationalistic than geographical which are necessarily in one nation or another. Though I guess the question of which language to use might get a bit difficult.

I don't think Mass Effect is at all hard sci fi, and even if it was I can't see that having interesting ship names rather than bland geographical onces would change that.

I'm not saying ME is hard sci fi at all. I'm just saying that it tries to create that impression through its choice of aesthetics, which might seem bland to you. I guess it would be more accurate to say that ME tends to aspire to aesthetic minimalism in certain things. Having pretentiously grandiose ship names would just seem out of place.

Consider the architecture of the Alliance's ships and colonies, for example. Or the standard Onyx armor. Or Shepard's name. That's about as bland and ordinary as you can get. Yet it all wonderfully contrasts with the exotic alien environments we see. I think it shows that BioWare is very creatively mature in their choice of aesthetics. By having clearly recognizable human structures on an exotic colony world, the player can clearly distinguish what is indigenous to that world, unknown and possibly dangerous and what was brought there by humans. Another good example is comparing names like Normandy and Madrid to something like Destiny Ascension. The human names are simple and familiar while the asari name is strange and something you might a expect a race of beautiful 1000-year-old aliens to call their flagship.

And I want to repeat: I'd like it if you gave me an actual example of what you would consider a good ship name for ME, instead of just saying: "This is a boring name." Like I said, mythological names would't work, as they names are already widely used for other things like planets, solar systems, clusters and even sector of the entire galaxy.

And regarding conceptual names, could you really imagine Shepard aboard the SSV Revenge SR1?

[CroGamer002]

Wulfram wrote...

DaVanguard wrote...
Ah yes "nationalities" .... The alliance consistest of human worlds + earth,  

"Earth is still divided among nation-states", while the oldest human worlds are just over 30 years old.  Nationalities would still be important.

Is Alliance any of this nations?


No.

[belwin]

sporeian wrote...

Shepard: The SSV Ishimura! Nothing can go wrong with a name like that!

quick, to the centerfuge,
we will hurl planet parts at the reapers!

[SudsyPatriarch]

Saren100 wrote...

I want the dreadnoughts to be named after nations and planets.

I want the krupp and mann dreadnoughts aswell.

SSV Peoples republic of China. SSV Sweden, SSV Afghanistan!

[DCopeland]

SSV North korea is best korea.

[Wulfram]

2kgnsiika wrote...

I'm not saying ME is hard sci fi at all. I'm just saying that it tries to create that impression through its choice of aesthetics, which might seem bland to you. I guess it would be more accurate to say that ME tends to aspire to aesthetic minimalism in certain things. Having pretentiously grandiose ship names would just seem out of place.

Consider the architecture of the Alliance's ships and colonies, for example. Or the standard Onyx armor. Or Shepard's name. That's about as bland and ordinary as you can get. Yet it all wonderfully contrasts with the exotic alien environments we see. I think it shows that BioWare is very creatively mature in their choice of aesthetics. By having clearly recognizable human structures on an exotic colony world, the player can clearly distinguish what is indigenous to that world, unknown and possibly dangerous and what was brought there by humans. Another good example is comparing names like Normandy and Madrid to something like Destiny Ascension. The human names are simple and familiar while the asari name is strange and something you might a expect a race of beautiful 1000-year-old aliens to call their flagship.

Possibly this is a cultural thing.  I'm British, so names like Victory, Temeraire, Swiftsure or Invincible are what I expect, while the geographical ones stand out as boring.  While if you're used to American naming conventions, then I guess the names I like come off as pretentiously grandiose

And I want to repeat: I'd like it if you gave me an actual example of what you would consider a good ship name for ME, instead of just saying: "This is a boring name." Like I said, mythological names would't work, as they names are already widely used for other things like planets, solar systems, clusters and even sector of the entire galaxy.

I pointed to the Trafalgar OOB as an example, noting that I thought that there were probably too many classical ones.  To get a bit more specific..
Conqueror
Defiance
Colossus
Formidable
Redoutable
Indomptable
Fougueux
Intrépide

Probably not Pickle

And regarding conceptual names, could you really imagine Shepard aboard the SSV Revenge SR1?

The Revenge was Drake's ship, so that would be an excellent name.

edit@Mesina 2.  The people serving in the Alliance would still come from these nations.  Personally, I wouldn't want to serve on the SSV Place Where My Granddad Got Trounced

Modifié par Wulfram, 02 février 2011 - 10:55 .

[Bailyn242]

Saren100 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

STG wrote...
and carriers are named after great leaders, artists, and intellectuals from human history.

SSV Josef Stalin
SSV Adolf Hiler
SSV Justin Bieber

and

SSV Chuck Norris

While the SSV Chuck Norris would be an amazing ship, who decides who qualifies as "great leaders, artists, or intellectuals." There is so much potential for damned awful names.

Technically the Fuhrer was all of those a great leader , a great artist and a great intellectual.

So he should definatly get his own ship.

He was a horrid artist, eg failed artist. Some historians point to his failures as an artist as the beginnings of his antisemitism. 

[2kgnsiika]

Wulfram wrote...
Possibly this is a cultural thing.  I'm British, so names like Victory, Temeraire, Swiftsure or Invincible are what I expect, while the geographical ones stand out as boring.  While if you're used to American naming conventions, then I guess the names I like come off as pretentiously grandiose

That's quite possible. However, my issue was not so much the names themselves, but how they fit into the ME setting's aesthetics.

[XxXgunziXxX]

the ssv hiroshima that is all b/c japanese ppl really want to see that everytime it lands

[Saren100]

Bailyn242 wrote...

Saren100 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

STG wrote...
and carriers are named after great leaders, artists, and intellectuals from human history.

SSV Josef Stalin
SSV Adolf Hiler
SSV Justin Bieber

and

SSV Chuck Norris

While the SSV Chuck Norris would be an amazing ship, who decides who qualifies as "great leaders, artists, or intellectuals." There is so much potential for damned awful names.

Technically the Fuhrer was all of those a great leader , a great artist and a great intellectual.

So he should definatly get his own ship.

He was a horrid artist, eg failed artist. Some historians point to his failures as an artist as the beginnings of his antisemitism. 

I think most of his art looks rather nice or atleast the peices ive seen.

So I guess thats all in the eye of the beholder.

[Rompa87]

I think most of his art looks rather nice or atleast the peices ive seen.

So I guess thats all in the eye of the beholder.

He could paint some pretty landscape pictures, that's it. There was nothing in his work that would qualify him as a "great" artist. One of thousands of mediocre painters

[XxXgunziXxX]

but he couldent really become a "great artist" since he got himself into a war after that he was marked with "i killed loads of jews im now hated" status so he never really got a chance .-.

[Rompa87]

XxXgunziXxX wrote...

but he couldent really become a "great artist" since he got himself into a war after that he was marked with "i killed loads of jews im now hated" status so he never really got a chance .-.

That is one of the main reasons struggling painters have such trouble getting their careers on track. Genocide

[Bailyn242]

Rompa87 wrote...

XxXgunziXxX wrote...

but he couldent really become a "great artist" since he got himself into a war after that he was marked with "i killed loads of jews im now hated" status so he never really got a chance .-.

That is one of the main reasons struggling painters have such trouble getting their careers on track. Genocide

I laughed.

[Saren100]

Bailyn242 wrote...

You

Rompa87 wrote...

XxXgunziXxX wrote...

but he couldent really become a "great artist" since he got himself into a war after that he was marked with "i killed loads of jews im now hated" status so he never really got a chance .-.

That is one of the main reasons struggling painters have such trouble getting their careers on track. Genocide

I laughed.

Lol

That reminds me of what Stephen Colbert said 2 days ago on the Colbert Report

He was discussing about the escalating situation with the egyptian president.

Then he said 

You know how things just escalate.

In his early life Hitler was a struggling artist and then...    things escalated.

Modifié par Saren100, 03 février 2011 - 09:26 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Fozz20 wrote...

STG wrote...

Fozz20 wrote...

and carriers are named after great leaders, artists, and intellectuals from human history.

SSV Chuck Norris

That ship wouldn't have a mass accelerator as it's main weapon, it would have a beard on the bow and a giant FIST would shoot out of it. 


SSV Bieber on the other hand would be like the worst kind of reverse indoctrination.  Turn a reaper to a husk.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

you sir, win the Internets.