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[Bogsnot1]

KevShep wrote...
Have you noticed the scars on Shepards face?...There the same color as the genetic goo being pumped into that human reaper. Seriously has NO ONE NOTICED....Has NO ONE NOTICED that his unusual return is down played and not explained..........Thats because THEY...ARE...RELATED.

Have you noticed that humans blood is also the same colour of the goo that gets pumped into the reapers?
OH NOES!? all life on earth was indoctrinated billions of years ago and the reapers grand plans are now finally coming to fruition.

You should also notice that Red=Renegade, Blue=Paragon. Dont put too much into the colour scheme, as that should automatically mean that Samara is very confused (blue skin, red suit), and Morinth is actually a good little girl.(Blue skin, and we know from Star Wars black clothes = good guys)

Seriously dude, you've been listening to Zulu_DFA too much.

[praetor_alpha]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

My quick theory on the origins and goals of the Reapers, Citadel, Omega and the "beings of light".

Theororizing about the Reapers and you bringing this up is like saying Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, BEETLEJUICE!

[V-rex]

My theory is that the Reapers intend to Reap.



That's my opinion.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Harbinger tells Shepard that the Reapers are humanity's salvation through destruction. My guess is that first 'victims' of the cycle were the creators of the Reapers, and that the species may have suffered that fate willingly. Or at least part of that species did, and it was forced on those that resisted. Perhaps in the process of creating Reapers from thousands of individuals, organic conciousness is somehow preserved and transferred to the machine, where it is combined with AI processes to create a hybrid organic/cybernetic hive mind. In this way perhaps the original creators of the Reapers thought they were achieving eternal life, and so the Reapers believe that the cycle of exterminations is actually some form of gift to the species deemed 'worthy' of being *ahem* uplifted.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 02 février 2011 - 07:16 .

[yfullman]

I think the reapers are an ancient race that saw themselves as the protectors of the galaxy, much like the forerunners in halo. Maybe the turned themselves into giant space cluthlus so they could do their job indefinitely.

Once a species manages to leave the home planet and achieve FTL there is essentially nothing that can stop them from spreading and consuming resources until there is nothing left. In order to prevent this the reapers come down like the hand of freaking god on all "advanced" organic life. Though not life that that is still confined to their homeworlds. This can be assumed by the fact that mars had prothean observation posts and maybe even cities, oceans, and an atmosphere that were completely raped by the reapers, But earth was spared even though the protheans and thus the reapers had knowledge of it.By doing this they ensure the continued existence of life as a whole but just not life that is capable of spreading to other worlds.

And as for why they turn suitable races into reapers maybe the reaper have reached the point where they are so advanced that they have no idea how to evolve any further so they target organic life, which evolves endlessly along unpredictable and give any races that have proven themselves the 'honor' of becoming reapers too and then they can somehow learn new ways of thinking.

Maybe they do all this because there is some even greater threat the reaper must face which is responsible for aging stars like haestron sun. or more likely its just for lols. idk haha

[Dean_the_Young]

Allowing life to continually exist, grow, and develop in the galaxy despite the threat of solar-collapse from dark energy over-use, and preserving the best of it in the technological-singularity state of being a Reaper.

[Whatever42]

I believe the best theory, as mentioned above a few times, that this is part of the Reaper reproduction strategy.



They let intelligent life evolve. Then they assess that life. If the life is unsuitable for ascension, they merely wipe it out, to allow the shoots of new intelligent life to grow. If it is suitable then they harvest that life into new Reapers.



That life is not merely genetic material. Each Reaper is a nation. Individuals of the new Reaper are ascended, not merely processed. They become immortal, cybernetic parts of the whole Reaper, merged into a single collective (as the Borg) by the indoctrination field.



Now, I'm sure there is more backstory and I'm hoping there are more motivations to the Reapers than just merely reproduction but I think that's the heart of it.

[Lapis Lazuli]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Allowing life to continually exist, grow, and develop in the galaxy despite the threat of solar-collapse from dark energy over-use, and preserving the best of it in the technological-singularity state of being a Reaper.

Hyper-advanced greenie weenies. the thought has crossed my mind. First Al Gore invented the internet, so he has the potential to become Sovereign. We need to do something before it's too late.

Modifié par Lapis Lazuli, 02 février 2011 - 06:46 .

[Madman17]

maybe they harvest organics as bribes for bigger machines not to kill them, who use them to stop even bigger machines from killing them whoe use THEM to stop even bigger machines from killing them and so on and so forth....... sounded good in my head

[Zing Freelancer]

Everybody need to eat, even the baby reaper who was feeding on humans.

[HdS84]

Maybe the story is similar to David Webers "Dahak" series: The Reaper-Ai was build to protect their creators but wants to be in charge.Because they basic runtimes says "protect organics" they say "ok we protect younger races from the advanced...the latter will be smashed". If you think about it, it is a scary concept but also quite elegant: Reapers are tied to some programing errors which shape their world view.

[Lapis Lazuli]

The Reapers were built and sent here from Andromeda or Triangulum or somewhere in order to make sure that Milky Way civilizations don't go extra-galactic and spread their chaos accross the Universe. But the Reaper builders could achieve this by simple not allowing anyone to develop at all in the Milky Way. But instead, the Reaper builders want to allow Milky Way civilization to develop to a point where they could possibly join the Cosmic Community. So far, the Milky Way hasn't produced such a civilization. This particular cycle has produced Rachni Wars, genophages, and all sorts of B.S. But at least this one was sort of democratic in ways. It sounds like the Protheans had a galactic Empire. That's a no go.

This model bares resemblance to the premise in several Earth religions; that this life is a test for worthiness in the afterlife.

Modifié par Lapis Lazuli, 02 février 2011 - 08:09 .

[Sairiwen]

To save everyone through destruction.

[IamSithari]

My Source is from every piece of mass eff technologies are reaper tech. Once any space faring spieces discovers the citadel the keepers are supposed to send soveriegn(or whichever reaper vanguard left behind) a signal alerting it, 50,000yrs ago the Pro's disrupted the signal so it/he never was awoken when the asari arrived. Going back in time. All the other "long-lived races were still there when the pro's were killed off i.e. asari, krogan, hanar, and yes humans the mars ruins proves it, plus on a planet that currently slips my mind. You can find strange spherical orb left behind by the Pro's which tell of their experiments on Cro-magnon man. Going forward the rachni and yhang( "shadow broker" race) are highly hostile races because they are reaper shocktroopers left behind?!, listen to the rachni queen and read the yhang codex. After the fall of the Protheans( human given name in the Ascension Novel). The rachni queen spoke of those who soured her ancestor songs and drove them to go to war with every other race it was the reaper or rather sovereign that recruited them for that propose. Because if you think about it the collectors were still searching for that one special specimen while this was going on. Going forward again. the council knew about saren and sovereign because he would have to report to them every so often on mission status' and etc.. the krogan cloning was the counsils doing because they knew they'd need them again. Thats why they where to send the salarian STG's on vimire and Shepard aswell. Benezina may have been an ex-Spectre turned matriarch thats why she joined Saren. Remember spectres work alone or in small groups. Same reason why poor Nihilus turned his back on his former tutor Saren and got killed. The entire eden prime attack was staged by the council because they knew Saren headed there and they wanted to see humanities response it makes sense notice after every briefing they questioned Shep about his chioces on each mission. Shepard was gonna be a Spectre regardless (because they didn't want humans becoming rogues like the batarians and other terminus races) Nihilus's death only delayed it briefly but Saren turned on the council who already knew about the reapers from Saren, their own data caches, and Pro ruins and all the other dead ancient races ruins look at the ME2 codex of terminus planets and the codex of the Traverses planets. Humans on the other hand knew about the Pros and probably the Reapers too because of the Mars find which again probably dates 50,000yrs or less like the Ilos ruins?! maybe. That's why they were more than ready for the turians. Who the other galactic races gives a wide birth because of their military strength. when they got punched in the mouth and bled it made the galaxy take notice, made the reapers take notice. The new comers was given colonial rights over the weaker batarians and thats when the collectors started taking humans. Yes its before the events of mass effect 1 when the colonist start vanishing, news reports on the elevators stated this plus a few other humans will state it, its a long game ME1. Going backwards. The krogans after being freed following the rachni wars started spreading and out breeding the other races and violently too maybe their a "reaper race"?. but krogan traditions honor the strong and their betters the council races. so thats why they became subserviant to the other races but Grunt is pure krogan unlike others who are seen using biotics through implants and many dont brace tukuncka so they become soft. He is a reaper tech based creature because Okeer was given the tech that created him by the collectors under harbringer's direction to make them pure again and evolve beyond the genophage, plus grunt is always threating Shep that one day he'll build an army go against him and the galaxy. Going forward. Nobody never questioned how Liara knew where Ilos was when the Muu relay was blown out into deep space by a supernova explosion and the Reapers spent centuries purging the galaxy of anything the protheans did, mostly what they didnt want the up-in-comers to find. They didn't find it so she shouldn't know about it. I believe the geth and that krogan battlemaster was working for her or she was working with them remember she an information broker afterall maybe she was during ME1. She only turned on her mother when she touched Shepard's mind and found out the truth for herself.Garrus i believe was a spectre and got pissed Saren did what he thats why he went with Shepard, he keeps mentioning that he was almost a Spectre in ME1 & ME2, take a look at the symbol on his arm its of the turians. In the shadow broker DLC that asari had a symbol too but it was of the asari. Moving side ways. The geth to Nazara(Sovereign) was a means to an end as to where the events of ME1 was concerned, they only valued organic life the geth was by product of that same life, "Indoc" can't work on them and the geth dont feel pain fear nor loss so they care about them besides Reapers don't respect those that actually want to aide them. The quarians were a lost cause they had nowhere to run and hide if a war was to kick off and their poor immune systems limited their evolution greatly, if you notice the reapers paid them no attention in any of the content not even the lone surviving quarian that was left on Freedoms Progress they bothered to kill because i'm sure the collectors would've door to door room to room if they left not one person behind but him, to the reapers they are worthless. Cerberus and the Alliance, are big brother prodigal and the little brother, stay at home son. Zaeed Musani i believe is a cerberus agent called back to active duty, i mean he and Vito started the blue suns what twenty years ago a all human group to take on the terminus. but the alliance under direction from the council wanted to include all the other races especially batarians. the batarian leader of the suns that wanted the killed Garrus Omega. The Council and the Alliance/ Cerberus both know the reapers thats have they're have their Gov' groups and mercs Eclipse, Blue Suns, and even the Blood Pack but i believe the vorcha too are a reaper race, i think Aria is a runaway Spectre or is working indirectly for the council, to me makes sense. I gotta stop but if play the games correctly and read the background information they provided you'll understand it ME1 & ME2 was pushing humanity to be the it race the reapers want just look at the ME3 trailer. The canon of the games story should be played with both choice types because some events require tougher choices than some, and other need a smooth touch. In closing the Reapers pull the strings of the galaxy they'll indoctrinate whoever to see their goals come to fruition. enjoy the rant and write back if you find the time or any wholes in my story. One last thing the Arcturus fleet was just siting there waiting at the battle of the citadel waiting for most if all the citadel forces got wiped out and could sweep in and save the day. if follow the canon the council is surposed to be dead and the humans rule the new on... just saying... Reply: Send Message

[Mike Effect]

 My Theory: There are two factions of "Reapers" 

1) Sovereign's Reapers who want to exterminate organic life.

2) Harbinger's Reapers who are trying to build their numbers and defeat the Sovie Reapers. 

So yeah, basically i believe that there are original or "true" reapers which are Sovie type Reapers, who are trying to either destroy all organic life (or since that's impossible, keep it "down"). I also believe that some time ago, some species found a way to "Reaperize" themselves, seeing as how it was the only way to destroy the Sovie Reapers. 

I assume that the original Reaper-Resistance Reaper was Harbinger, or his species. Since his (Harby's) creation he chose the most powerful species of the time, and ascended them into "Reaperhood". Most likely before Sovie type Reapers invaded through the Citadel Relay and killed off all other species. 

To me, this explains why any species who was "Reaperized" would go along with it. (ex: i always doubted that say, a human based Reaper would go along with galactic genocide.) 

I also believe that the Protheans were not enslaved, but chose to become implanted with Reaper technology so they could assist the resistance by helping Harbinger. I believe that the hologram of Harby in the end of the suicide mission was not so that Harby could control the Collector General, but so that the C.G. could communicate with Harbinger. Also, that Harbinger was not controlling the C.G., but that he was of free will. 

Now, if my theory is correct, Harbinger's final monologue was aimed at both Shepard and the C.G. In that he told the C.G. that he has failed, but that the Harby Reapers would find another way to help their cause. Like, "Don't worry, we haven't lost yet", or something. But also that Shepard now has the attention of the Sovie Reapers. Like, "Good job genius, you're pretty screwed already but now you screwed yourself even more." 

Also, my theory kinda makes sense because: 

You go through the Omega 4 relay with a Reaper IFF, but still get attacked. Which now would make sense since you have the IFF of a "Hostile Reaper..." 

The Omega 4 relay, the only Harby one (maybe) is the only one that is a different color than the others. 

The view of the Reapers (Harby's) at the end of Mass Effect 2, does not show the Milky Way, but a different galaxy. I think it's once close to or within the Milky Way ( i might be wrong), possibly where the Harby Reapers are in hiding. 

The Reapers destroying, not harvesting the Earth in the Mass Effect 3 trailer all look exactly like Sovereign type Reapers. 

*Spoiler* Apparently, in Mass Effect: Evolution #2, the Illusive Man was implanted with Sovie Reaper tech. Which could mean his mission of destroying the Collectors was so he could destroy the Sovie Reapers Resistance. Which would also explain why the Harby Reapers begin their trek to the galaxy. Their option of creating more Reapers for their cause is over, and they have to act. 

This is all just a crazy theory i came up with but i like it. All just my opinion also. Enjoy. 

[Lapis Lazuli]

Hmmm...thinking about it again. Whomever discovered the technology to build mass effect relays knew that in order to create a network of relays throughout the galaxy and perhaps beyond, someone was going to have to travel at sublight speeds for enormous periods of time and place relays. Perhaps the reapers or whatever they were originally conceived to be, were built simply to place and activate mass relays. Immortal machines are ideal for such a duty--Crawling around for millions of years at sublight speeds so that organics can REAP the benefits--The trick perhaps, comes in the actual technology and energy source for a self-sustaining relay. Perhaps the reapers are simply expanded the network per their original function and using harvesting as a part of all the tech. Perhaps the reaper cycle began when the Milky Way network was complete and the machines turned their attention to dark space and connecting the galaxies together. Perhaps the 50,000 years is not a hybenation but a round trip through their ever expanding network. This sort of makes like arachnids building a web. They sure look the part...

Modifié par Lapis Lazuli, 03 février 2011 - 03:05 .

[StarGateGod]

IamSithari wrote...

My Source is from every piece of mass eff technologies are reaper tech. Once any space faring spieces discovers the citadel the keepers are supposed to send soveriegn(or whichever reaper vanguard left behind) a signal alerting it, 50,000yrs ago the Pro's disrupted the signal so it/he never was awoken when the asari arrived. Going back in time. All the other "long-lived races were still there when the pro's were killed off i.e. asari, krogan, hanar, and yes humans the mars ruins proves it, plus on a planet that currently slips my mind. You can find strange spherical orb left behind by the Pro's which tell of their experiments on Cro-magnon man. Going forward the rachni and yhang( "shadow broker" race) are highly hostile races because they are reaper shocktroopers left behind?!, listen to the rachni queen and read the yhang codex. After the fall of the Protheans( human given name in the Ascension Novel). The rachni queen spoke of those who soured her ancestor songs and drove them to go to war with every other race it was the reaper or rather sovereign that recruited them for that propose. Because if you think about it the collectors were still searching for that one special specimen while this was going on. Going forward again. the council knew about saren and sovereign because he would have to report to them every so often on mission status' and etc.. the krogan cloning was the counsils doing because they knew they'd need them again. Thats why they where to send the salarian STG's on vimire and Shepard aswell. Benezina may have been an ex-Spectre turned matriarch thats why she joined Saren. Remember spectres work alone or in small groups. Same reason why poor Nihilus turned his back on his former tutor Saren and got killed. The entire eden prime attack was staged by the council because they knew Saren headed there and they wanted to see humanities response it makes sense notice after every briefing they questioned Shep about his chioces on each mission. Shepard was gonna be a Spectre regardless (because they didn't want humans becoming rogues like the batarians and other terminus races) Nihilus's death only delayed it briefly but Saren turned on the council who already knew about the reapers from Saren, their own data caches, and Pro ruins and all the other dead ancient races ruins look at the ME2 codex of terminus planets and the codex of the Traverses planets. Humans on the other hand knew about the Pros and probably the Reapers too because of the Mars find which again probably dates 50,000yrs or less like the Ilos ruins?! maybe. That's why they were more than ready for the turians. Who the other galactic races gives a wide birth because of their military strength. when they got punched in the mouth and bled it made the galaxy take notice, made the reapers take notice. The new comers was given colonial rights over the weaker batarians and thats when the collectors started taking humans. Yes its before the events of mass effect 1 when the colonist start vanishing, news reports on the elevators stated this plus a few other humans will state it, its a long game ME1. Going backwards. The krogans after being freed following the rachni wars started spreading and out breeding the other races and violently too maybe their a "reaper race"?. but krogan traditions honor the strong and their betters the council races. so thats why they became subserviant to the other races but Grunt is pure krogan unlike others who are seen using biotics through implants and many dont brace tukuncka so they become soft. He is a reaper tech based creature because Okeer was given the tech that created him by the collectors under harbringer's direction to make them pure again and evolve beyond the genophage, plus grunt is always threating Shep that one day he'll build an army go against him and the galaxy. Going forward. Nobody never questioned how Liara knew where Ilos was when the Muu relay was blown out into deep space by a supernova explosion and the Reapers spent centuries purging the galaxy of anything the protheans did, mostly what they didnt want the up-in-comers to find. They didn't find it so she shouldn't know about it. I believe the geth and that krogan battlemaster was working for her or she was working with them remember she an information broker afterall maybe she was during ME1. She only turned on her mother when she touched Shepard's mind and found out the truth for herself.Garrus i believe was a spectre and got pissed Saren did what he thats why he went with Shepard, he keeps mentioning that he was almost a Spectre in ME1 & ME2, take a look at the symbol on his arm its of the turians. In the shadow broker DLC that asari had a symbol too but it was of the asari. Moving side ways. The geth to Nazara(Sovereign) was a means to an end as to where the events of ME1 was concerned, they only valued organic life the geth was by product of that same life, "Indoc" can't work on them and the geth dont feel pain fear nor loss so they care about them besides Reapers don't respect those that actually want to aide them. The quarians were a lost cause they had nowhere to run and hide if a war was to kick off and their poor immune systems limited their evolution greatly, if you notice the reapers paid them no attention in any of the content not even the lone surviving quarian that was left on Freedoms Progress they bothered to kill because i'm sure the collectors would've door to door room to room if they left not one person behind but him, to the reapers they are worthless. Cerberus and the Alliance, are big brother prodigal and the little brother, stay at home son. Zaeed Musani i believe is a cerberus agent called back to active duty, i mean he and Vito started the blue suns what twenty years ago a all human group to take on the terminus. but the alliance under direction from the council wanted to include all the other races especially batarians. the batarian leader of the suns that wanted the killed Garrus Omega. The Council and the Alliance/ Cerberus both know the reapers thats have they're have their Gov' groups and mercs Eclipse, Blue Suns, and even the Blood Pack but i believe the vorcha too are a reaper race, i think Aria is a runaway Spectre or is working indirectly for the council, to me makes sense. I gotta stop but if play the games correctly and read the background information they provided you'll understand it ME1 & ME2 was pushing humanity to be the it race the reapers want just look at the ME3 trailer. The canon of the games story should be played with both choice types because some events require tougher choices than some, and other need a smooth touch. In closing the Reapers pull the strings of the galaxy they'll indoctrinate whoever to see their goals come to fruition. enjoy the rant and write back if you find the time or any wholes in my story. One last thing the Arcturus fleet was just siting there waiting at the battle of the citadel waiting for most if all the citadel forces got wiped out and could sweep in and save the day. if follow the canon the council is surposed to be dead and the humans rule the new on... just saying... Reply: Send Message

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[KevShep]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

KevShep wrote...
Have you noticed the scars on Shepards face?...There the same color as the genetic goo being pumped into that human reaper. Seriously has NO ONE NOTICED....Has NO ONE NOTICED that his unusual return is down played and not explained..........Thats because THEY...ARE...RELATED.

Have you noticed that humans blood is also the same colour of the goo that gets pumped into the reapers?
OH NOES!? all life on earth was indoctrinated billions of years ago and the reapers grand plans are now finally coming to fruition.

You should also notice that Red=Renegade, Blue=Paragon. Dont put too much into the colour scheme, as that should automatically mean that Samara is very confused (blue skin, red suit), and Morinth is actually a good little girl.(Blue skin, and we know from Star Wars black clothes = good guys)

Seriously dude, you've been listening to Zulu_DFA too much.

If they are not related then why would the scars be any color at all much less the same color....an who is Zulu_DFA

[KevShep]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I believe the best theory, as mentioned above a few times, that this is part of the Reaper reproduction strategy.

They let intelligent life evolve. Then they assess that life. If the life is unsuitable for ascension, they merely wipe it out, to allow the shoots of new intelligent life to grow. If it is suitable then they harvest that life into new Reapers.

That life is not merely genetic material. Each Reaper is a nation. Individuals of the new Reaper are ascended, not merely processed. They become immortal, cybernetic parts of the whole Reaper, merged into a single collective (as the Borg) by the indoctrination field.

Now, I'm sure there is more backstory and I'm hoping there are more motivations to the Reapers than just merely reproduction but I think that's the heart of it.

Then why would the reapers need to impose order on the chaos of organic evolution...There looking for somthing specific, other wise just let it go on its own. Also mashines do not need organics...at all.They are hybrids of mashines and organics so logically they would have to have been organics at some point.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

mangeo wrote...

"There is a realm of existance so far beyond your own you can not even begin to fathom."

That is, the realm of inanity.

[KevShep]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

KevShep wrote...
Have you noticed the scars on Shepards face?...There the same color as the genetic goo being pumped into that human reaper. Seriously has NO ONE NOTICED....Has NO ONE NOTICED that his unusual return is down played and not explained..........Thats because THEY...ARE...RELATED.

Have you noticed that humans blood is also the same colour of the goo that gets pumped into the reapers?
OH NOES!? all life on earth was indoctrinated billions of years ago and the reapers grand plans are now finally coming to fruition.

You should also notice that Red=Renegade, Blue=Paragon. Dont put too much into the colour scheme, as that should automatically mean that Samara is very confused (blue skin, red suit), and Morinth is actually a good little girl.(Blue skin, and we know from Star Wars black clothes = good guys)

Seriously dude, you've been listening to Zulu_DFA too much.

Are you SERIOUS... There is nothing to suggest that samara is confused because she is blue and has a red suit cause red is renegade and blue is paragon...there is nothing linking that together, that is dumb dude

Common sense man.... There is no explanation to his return...think about it...that means there is more to that story, but what...Why does that goo look the same as Sheps scars. Think about it(linking together).     We do know that that tech cerbreus has can bring someone back from the dead...........That same stuff looks as if it is being pumped into the human reaper. It just so... happends that they do not explane his return, and why, because it is a key plot revelation for ME3 other wise why wouldnt they just tell us why he returned like that and how creberus got that tech in the first place....Think, its not that hard!       

btw shepards scars are a yellow orange color not red. yellow orange is the same color as the goo as well.

Modifié par KevShep, 03 février 2011 - 10:21 .