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[Xilizhra]

I've considered killing Miranda before, but... no. Everyone will live.

[GodWood]

I would in my canon if there was any justified in game reason to do so.

E.g) In DA:O my warden kills off Wynne at the tower as he believed the Rite of Annulment was necessary.

He also kills Leliana at the Urn because he didn't want to risk fighting a dragon thus had to taint the ashes. (I happened to like both those characters BTW)



Unfortunately the only way a companion can die in ME2 is through complete and utter stupidity thus they all stay alive.

[Kim Shepard]

Redcoat wrote...

Only character I disliked enough to kill off was Miranda, which took a fair bit more effort than I anticipated, as there's only one part of the suicide mission where she can actually die. But I'm a bit of a perfectionist so that won't be the save I import into ME3.

There are at least two different ways, because I've managed both of them - bringing an unloyal Miranda to the final battle (which I planned) and leaving an unloyal Miranda to hold the line when your hold-the-line score is too low, which will cause her to die if she's the only unloyal (for me, it happened by accident).

Ryzaki wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

And killing off a character you don't like is just the player's way of making sure they won't see them again in the next game. Unfortunately, one of my least favorite squadmates is the only one who lives no matter what.

There are only 2 people this could be and one of them isn't technically a squaddie.

...Do you mean Liara or Joker? 

Because I am getting sick of Liara's plot armor too if its her. 

Yeah, I was talking about Liara.

[Darthbill52]

Sentox6 wrote...

Depends on the playthrough's specifics, with one exception.

Jack. Every. Single. Time.

It's a matter of great consternation to me that Shepard looks very heartbroken at this eventuality. If I had the option, I would have flushed Jack out the airlock all of five minutes after acquiring her.

YESSS despite getting no love from the Jack Lovers, I agree with the following statement.  But to be fair i would have left them there and fired on the prison ship ..but flushing people out an airlock ..might be fun ...espically jack.   I really dont know why they made a charaecter of an unstable biotic in the middle of space.  Sorry just saying jack in this shepards playthrough doesnt see me3

[Ryzaki]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Yeah, I was talking about Liara.

I feel your pain.

The banter in LoTSB made me sigh with how OOC it was for my Shep. Great DLC not so great forcing Shep and Liara to act like bestest buddies eva.

Anyways I have to get one of those worst imports for ME3 going.

[Kim Shepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

Yeah, I was talking about Liara.

I feel your pain.

The banter in LoTSB made me sigh with how OOC it was for my Shep. Great DLC not so great forcing Shep and Liara to act like bestest buddies eva.

Anyways I have to get one of those worst imports for ME3 going.

I haven't played LotSB, but from what I've heard, it does sound out of character for many of my Shepards. At least inviting her into Shepard's room is optional.

I've had a bit of a grudge against Liara ever since my latest MaleShep was caught in her romance trap. ): I couldn't "Virmire" my way out of that one like a Kaidan/Ashley trap romance, so the only option is to replay the whole thing and recruit her last.

[Ryzaki]

Kim Shepard wrote...
I haven't played LotSB, but from what I've heard, it does sound out of character for many of my Shepards. At least inviting her into Shepard's room is optional.

I've had a bit of a grudge against Liara ever since my latest MaleShep was caught in her romance trap. ): I couldn't "Virmire" my way out of that one like a Kaidan/Ashley trap romance, so the only option is to replay the whole thing and recruit her last.

Indeed. Why Hackett would give her Shep's dogtags and not Ash/Kaidan boggles my mind. Especially if she's not Shep's LI.

LOL I don't blame you. That is annoying. At least with Ash/Kaidan you can Virmire them.

Though can't you reject her at the last moment? Or does that still flag the romance? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2011 - 08:16 .

[jeweledleah]

I just wanted to know one thing, how do you get caught in Liara's romance accidentally? isn't there an option straight of the bat to tell her that you only see her as a friend? and I thought you get several options in later conversations to end the romance?

actually, how the heck do you get accidentally caught in any romance? I always felt that there were more choices to lose the subplot then there were to make sure that it progresses :/

I've only done LoTSB with the characters that have forgiven her, so the interactions didn't seem particularly out of character, but then I always liked her regardless of the character.

edited to add - Hacket cannot contact Shepard directly due to Cerberus assosiations  (Anderson can, becasue he's a councelor in adition to being an alliance oficer, a bit more leeway there), and Liara being information broker as well as the person who retrieved Shepard's body in a first place, means its not that farfetched that she could also get Shep's tags.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 03 février 2011 - 08:21 .

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...

I just wanted to know one thing, how do you get caught in Liara's romance accidentally? isn't there an option straight of the bat to tell her that you only see her as a friend? and I thought you get several options in later conversations to end the romance?

actually, how the heck do you get accidentally caught in any romance? I always felt that there were more choices to lose the subplot then there were to make sure that it progresses :/

I've only done LoTSB with the characters that have forgiven her, so the interactions didn't seem particularly out of character, but then I always liked her regardless of the character

With Liara there is an option. Though some can get caught with it. However Ash on the other hand...<_< I got caught in Ash's romance by accident once. Tried to get out of it but all 3 options seemed to lead to a different version of "Yes I want a relationship." I wasn't pleased. I thought something was up when she called me skipper.

Ending the romnace usually consists of sounding like a douche. Choosing not to sound like a douche doesn't end the romance. I also tended to pick paragon options so...yeah. I had to learn the don't sound like a douche but end the romance dance.

Annoying your first few times through the game.

As for forgiving Liara: My Shep hadn't even gotten a chance to confront Liara over her handing him over to Cerberus much less forgive her for it. So my Shep's at the "we're just business partners." stage. Her running past him without a second thought did nothing to improve this view.

In which case it makes far more sense to give the tags to Anderson. Someone who was actually in the military.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2011 - 08:26 .

[Kim Shepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

Indeed. Why Hackett would give her Shep's dogtags and not Ash/Kaidan boggles my mind. Especially if she's not Shep's LI.

LOL I don't blame you. That is annoying. At least with Ash/Kaidan you can Virmire them.

Though can't you reject her at the last moment? Or does that still flag the romance? 

Now that you mention it... yeah, giving Shepard's dogtags to an Alliance soldier from the team would make more sense.

I think it does still show up as a romance in ME2, but that's just what I've read. And I wouldn't attempt a savegame editor on my Xbox game. I don't have the tech skill for it.

jeweledleah wrote...

I just wanted to know one thing, how do you get caught in Liara's romance accidentally? isn't there an option straight of the bat to tell her that you only see her as a friend? and I thought you get several options in later conversations to end the romance?

Romance traps are basically a glitch. I chose the "I'm not interested in you" option with Liara, but in the next conversation, she acted like the romance was started and my Shepard only had three different ways to say yes. I have no idea what causes that, because I haven't had a problem with Kaidan or Ashley, but many others have.

[Ryzaki]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Now that you mention it... yeah, giving Shepard's dogtags to an Alliance soldier from the team would make more sense.

I think it does still show up as a romance in ME2, but that's just what I've read. And I wouldn't attempt a savegame editor on my Xbox game. I don't have the tech skill for it.

I mean its not like Kaidan/Ashley get any other limelight. They just vanish off the face of the earth after Horizon. <_<

Ah. The benefits of playing on PC.

Though yeah that would've sucked.

Frankly how quickly her romance dialogue starts tends to creep me out so my Sheps don't really speak to her much or shut her down early with renedouche options.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2011 - 08:32 .

[lawp79]

I let Tali die on one playthrough on purpose, not really to see what would happen I just dont like her all that much.

[SudsyPatriarch]

This is a great lesson, if you dont like em that much, KILL EM1

[jeweledleah]

I see, didn't experience that glitch myself, which is why I was confused.



as for resolution as far as Shadow broker was concerned, there's a conversation that you can have, even if you do not get DLC. though I've never tried to pick an option where I'm angry at her for giving the body to Cerberus.



I still feel like Liara getting dog tags made sense, seeing as she wasn't restrained by rules, regulations, etc, like Anderson was and she possibly kept them for her self, to give to Shepard later as a peace offering. which is how I saw it, at least.

[Confused_Shepard]

I love how people are reacting as if we are killing actual people.

It's GAME! If it was real life I would order them off my ship AFTER the mission



Also role-playing. My Shep loves Jack and berates Miranda for being a terrorist.

Miranda dies during hold the line.

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...

I see, didn't experience that glitch myself, which is why I was confused.

as for resolution as far as Shadow broker was concerned, there's a conversation that you can have, even if you do not get DLC. though I've never tried to pick an option where I'm angry at her for giving the body to Cerberus.

I still feel like Liara getting dog tags made sense, seeing as she wasn't restrained by rules, regulations, etc, like Anderson was and she possibly kept them for her self, to give to Shepard later as a peace offering. which is how I saw it, at least.

You don't yell at her. I tried that option.

I wanted to chew her out. She can verbally slap down Shepard "This is an insult to the man who saved both of us." but I can't do the same? Pfft.

And eh I don't see it that way. Those dog tags were Shep's and she had no need to have them. If anyone should've had them Anderson/Ash/Kaidan should've had them. Particularly because Hackett had them in the first place. (Or heck in one origin your mom should've had them not Liara who your character may or may not have shown a great dislike towards).

Plus her being author's pet is not endearing me to her. At all. <_<

But this isn't a thread for me to be ragging on Liara.

Anyways I wonder if I should recruit Thane for my everyone dead but 3 squaddies playthrough.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2011 - 08:43 .

[Lunatic LK47]

Kim Shepard wrote...


Romance traps are basically a glitch. I chose the "I'm not interested in you" option with Liara, but in the next conversation, she acted like the romance was started and my Shepard only had three different ways to say yes. I have no idea what causes that, because I haven't had a problem with Kaidan or Ashley, but many others have.

@ Kim Shepard and Jewel: The renegade option of saying you're not interested in Liara was bugged so the only way to actually turn her down was to use the neutral option. Using the renegade option would register as if you're playing hard to get for some stupid reason when that should *NOT* be the case (I even got the response, "This is embarassing" from her and she was supposed to be fine with it.)

[Kim Shepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

I mean its not like Kaidan/Ashley get any other limelight. They just vanish off the face of the earth after Horizon. <_<

Ah. The benefits of playing on PC.

Though yeah that would've sucked.

Frankly how quickly her romance dialogue starts tends to creep me out so my Sheps don't really speak to her much or shut her down early with renedouche options.

That would have been a nice addition to the reunion. In my opinion, the "happy" part of the reunion was too short. I have Shepards who used to consider Kaidan a good friend, but lost most of that trust after Horizon. Maybe something small but powerful like that could have changed their mind.

I made the mistake of going through all conversations on that playthrough. My FemShep hardly talked to Liara at all. Poor MaleShep should have done the same.

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

@ Kim Shepard and Jewel: The renegade option of saying you're not interested in Liara was bugged so the only way to actually turn her down was to use the neutral option. Using the renegade option would register as if you're playing hard to get for some stupid reason when that should *NOT* be the case (I even got the response, "This is embarassing" from her and she was supposed to be fine with it.)

Thanks! Now I know how to avoid it in future playthroughs. I got the "This is embarassing" response too.

[Ryzaki]

Kim Shepard wrote...
That would have been a nice addition to the reunion. In my opinion, the "happy" part of the reunion was too short. I have Shepards who used to consider Kaidan a good friend, but lost most of that trust after Horizon. Maybe something small but powerful like that could have changed their mind.

I made the mistake of going through all conversations on that playthrough. My FemShep hardly talked to Liara at all. Poor MaleShep should have done the same.

Yeah that would've made the moment more powerful. (A bit odd and obsessive though. Why exactly where they carrying Shep's tags around?)

Though it could've been nice if after the suicide mission ash/kaidan had down up with that. Instead they just...vanish.

Well lesson learned? I hate that speaking with her gave me experience. :/ It taunted me when I chose to ignore her.

Lunatic LK47 wrote...
Thanks! Now I know how to avoid it in future playthroughs. I got the "This is embarassing" response too.

Indeed. At least I don' have to be renedouche anymore. ...Though I've kind of grown used to being renedouche with her. Alas it doesn't seem like she remembers that behavior in ME2. <_<

[Kim Shepard]

But it's slightly less odd and obsessive for an Alliance soldier than for Liara, right? xD They could have carried it in battle to inspire them and remind them of their former Commander.

My Shepards will just have to lie and say they're friends with Liara. The trap-romanced MaleShep will recruit her last for funny dialogue though. I got to play through all of those mean Renegade responses when she cornered him during Normandy lockdown.

[jeweledleah]

disappearance of VS after Horizon was jarring...I'm really really hoping that it will be rectified...somehow, somewhere. not sure giving them tags would have been a good idea, seeing as they coudln't have known that Shep would be on Horizon in a first place (and even if they were an LI, it was supposed to be under the radar, so giving them dog tags for safekeeping makes even less sense then Liara having them), but I suppose Anderson would have been a good choice.



but



Liara is a pretty single minded, obsessive character so I guess that's why I can see her going after Shepard's tags with a vengeance, heck considering that she has a piece of Shep's armor in a display case, I'm amazed she let go of the tags at all. But her having them doesn't amaze me. I don't mind her, despite her being writer's pet, mostly because in some ways I can relate to her (should I have said that?? /hides)



keeping a dying assassin alive for a horrible playthrough - sounds like a splendid idea

[Ryzaki]

Kim Shepard wrote...

But it's slightly less odd and obsessive for an Alliance soldier than for Liara, right? xD They could have carried it in battle to inspire them and remind them of their former Commander.

I could buy Ashley doing that more than Kaidan. Though that isn't too far fetched. Far less creepy than Liara framing Shep's busted armor. *shudders*

Shep wants a restraining order. Yesterday.

I don't know why the devs thought I'd think her near obsession with Shepard was charming. It's creepy. And her "I couldn't let you go!" line when you romance her despite her claiming Asari are all well aware of loss is just jarring.

She couldn't let you go so much that instead of doing a decent thing *destroying Shep's corpse so no one could get it* she hands him over to Cerberus whose lead operative wanted to put a damn control chip! In his brain. What if Miranda had gotten the OK from TIM? Shep would just be Cerberus' slave. But that's okay because Liara "couldn't let him go!" Urgh. It creepies me out.

My Shepards will just have to lie and say they're friends with Liara. The trap-romanced MaleShep will recruit her last for funny dialogue though. I got to play through all of those mean Renegade responses when she cornered him during Normandy lockdown.

LOL I love being renedouche to her there. Shep's expressions are hilarious and I love how geniunely *angry* he sounds there.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2011 - 09:18 .

[Kim Shepard]

My Shepards would like to save the restraining order until after their resurrection. xD That's true about the control chip though, and I'm glad it didn't happen. That one comment is more than enough for some of my Shepards to justify killing Miranda off. It's just a bad idea to say something like that to my paranoid Sole Survivor...

I agree about MaleShep's angry dialogue with Liara. It was really good. Too bad they couldn't break up right then. That would have been in character for my MaleShep and I could have pretended that it wasn't romance-related. (When I saw the three different "yes" options, I reloaded and didn't talk to her again until she showed up at lockdown. Technically, I didn't use any romance dialogue.)

[Ryzaki]

Kim Shepard wrote...

My Shepards would like to save the restraining order until after their resurrection. xD That's true about the control chip though, and I'm glad it didn't happen. That one comment is more than enough for some of my Shepards to justify killing Miranda off. It's just a bad idea to say something like that to my paranoid Sole Survivor...

I agree about MaleShep's angry dialogue with Liara. It was really good. Too bad they couldn't break up right then. That would have been in character for my MaleShep and I could have pretended that it wasn't romance-related. (When I saw the three different "yes" options, I reloaded and didn't talk to her again until she showed up at lockdown. Technically, I didn't use any romance dialogue.)

LOL

Ah true it is good justification especially for a SS.

Alas. Well...at least you got a good laugh at her expense right? 

[Kim Shepard]

That Sole Survivor will also take his sweet time getting to the Collector base and let the Cerberus crew die too. Jacob is safe though.

As for Liara, it was more of a ragequit at the time, but I laugh about it now. xD

By the way, paranoid Sole Survivor and trap-romanced MaleShep are the same guy. Poor man never gets a break.