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[RGC_Ines]

Well, I killed Miranda and Jacob...Don't want those Cerberus puppies in my ME3

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
A couple times while watching movies/reading books, yeah.  But when they DID die, I felt bad, like it was my fault.

I'm kind of a sissy like that.

Bah!

Nothing beats seeing annoying characters getting maimed or killed, too bad it rarely happens!

Well yeah.  Sorry.  Bad comparison.  Applies to me since I'm a horrible perfectionist and an achievement wh*re, but I see your point.  However, ME is still a game in which you are the main character, and not some sort of novel you plan on publishing.  You can get away with breaking the rules of a good ending since you're the only one experiencing it.  Butterflies and rainbows are perfectly legit since no one's going to fly in and tell everyone that you're a horrible author. (In theory, anyway.  The BSN has proven me wrong, on this as well as many other things.)

Additionally, killing off select squadmates is pretty damn easy - it's the same equation as getting everyone out alive, but you plug in different variables.  Seriously, in my "Shepard dies" save (which was largely for teh lulz), I could have easily survived had I not sent Jacob in the vents and upgraded the ship plating.  Whoo, two seconds of game time for a completely different result!

I guess what I should have said was that it doesn't make sense from both a metagaming and roleplaying perspective, at least to me.  Why cheat yourself out of future content?  Can you imagine ME3 with ten Wreavs?  I have nightmares thinking about it.

Anyway, yeah.  I've got a lot of reasons as to why I think killing off squadmates is dumb, but thankfully I have control over my own game, while you get to play yours.  Thus, you are in no danger of me forcing you to adopt my opinion, since I can go save [Squadmate] every single time while you cackle gleefully as (s)he gets carried away by robotic death-bees.

I guess it all boils down to you caring enough about all the characters that you wouldn't mind seeing them return, while I have a strong dislike (to say the least) about certain characters that I enjoy letting them get impaled by a giant metal beam or burnt to a crisp by a laser. And recieve a Wreave like cameo in ME3 as my reward for a job well done. And in the end, losing people on the suicide mission just makes the story feel better, make more sense and more meaningful.

And on a final note:

as a commander, why would you make such stupid decisions?  Even if you
don't like a certain member of your crew, would you honestly just write
them off when they're a prefectly good soldier?

To begin with. It was me, the hand of god directing the story that killed off certain characters at will, not my Shepard! My Shepard didn't hate his crew (execpt Jack), and he didn't get them killed on purpose. It was just a tragedy that the Normandy wasn't fully upgrades due to economical problems.

"EDIT"

GodWood wrote...
I'll admit I like to kill off companions for drama's sake (only if I can do it in character though)
But
I can't help but think that the people who deliberately ignore a
companion and then kill them off because they dislike them are
completely childish.
I really hate Miranda, but I wouldn't want to kill her off in the SM.
Why?
Because it's good to have someone on your team that you hate and have conflict with.
It creates drama.
Drama is good.

There's two type of characters you hate.

The first is the one you love to hate. This is often villains or morally questionable characters that you oppose. Characters such TIM, Morinth, Udina and Zaeed. The second types is characters you hate because you feel they are poorly written, boring, annoying, pointless, cliche, etc.

The presence of the first type creates tension and drama. The presence of the latter however, creates annoyance and frustation.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 04 février 2011 - 09:57 .

[Hk47sPappy]

royceclemens wrote...

Cry Metagaming all you want, but there comes a point where playing ME2 stops and creating the backstory for ME3 starts.

Very yes

I have seven playthroughs, all with varying results:
2 with no casualties
Mordin, Thane, Jack, Zaeed, Kasumi dead
Miranda, Thane, Samara, Jacob, Jack dead
Mordin, Kasumi, Jack, Tali dead
Kasumi, Miranda, Zaeed, Jacob dead
Samara, Jacob, Zaeed dead

[Bullets McDeath]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I once killed Jedore off on purpose

I will wait and see what repercussions this will have in ME 3

Doesn't Jedore die anyway?

I... yeah, I don't know of any way to get around killing Jedore. You never even get the option to negotiate with her. Methinks me smells a joke.

[Terror_K]

Squadmate wise, my racist, pro-Cerberus Shepard killed everybody but Miranda and Jacob in the suicide mission. The only real exception there is Kasumi, but that's because her DLC wasn't even out at the time I did it, so I never got her in the first place.

[SlottsMachine]

royceclemens wrote...

Thane on the ship, Kasumi at the door, Garrus with the seekers and Samara with the second fire team. Not out of any ill will, of course, but to make my story more to my liking. Cry Metagaming all you want, but there comes a point where playing ME2 stops and creating the backstory for ME3 starts.

Agreed, the person that created the term metagaming sucks.

[skl]

I once killed as many squadmates as I could, to make one poor, tortured, guilt-ridden Shepard (that really really wanted to save everyone, but refused to do the loyalty missions as they sidetracked her from the REAL mission). But I couldn't bring myself to kill Tali, because come on, she's just a little girl..

And it wasn't all that easy to do, because I wanted all the upgrades for the ship...

All in all, it's a realistic playthrough - it was a suicide mission after all!

[Melra]

I kill Jack on all my playthroughs, methods vary but she'll get killed, nevertheless. Tali I have to play out somehow, I need her upgrades to make it so that nobody, so that nobody else gets killed. I would prefer not to recruit her in the first place, same with Jack, but for Jack there's no such option.



I just want her off my team, but that would have me sacrifice someone else, so I guess she'll have to die as well.

[Null_]

Thane died on my first attempt. Send him in vents.. figured assassin would know how to go throught vents and open doors. I quess not(didnt read any guides). After quick save reload it went perfect and everyone made it alive(Mordin didnt die holding the line even... I quess thats becuse my final boss squad was Tali/Legion and they got low defense for Hold the line) Garrus as 2nd squad leader, Samara as biotic, Jacob as crew escort

Modifié par Null_, 07 février 2011 - 08:38 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Love the sig above Null!

I never kill anyone off on purpose because I want to see everyone's story arc. There are a couple of characters I'm not so keen on, but I may start to like them in ME3, you never know...

[emmanuelsieyes]

Miranda.



My first playthough, Grunt and Miranda died. Which was terrible, I liked grunt.



I HATE Miranda. I thought Jacob was okay, sure he didn't have the 'troubled dude' appeal but damn, is Miranda a snooty ****.

[SammyJB17]

Jacob, Zaeed and Samara

[mage scum]

I've never killed a squadmate because I dislike them, though maybe that's because I like them all to a certain extent.



I do have a "gigantic jerk" Shepard where I tried to get as many squadmates killed as possible. Ashley, Liara, Tali, and Morinth are the only ones left... should be interesting in ME3.

[omgodzilla]

I have 7 playthroughs. Tali survived none of them.

[JediNg]

I kind of want to do a playthrough where the entire crew, and Garrus and Tali survive because they were with Shepard in Mass Effect. Everyone else dies. So what.. Send non loyal Jacob to escort crew members back, zaeed to lead one of the strike teams, thane through the tunnels, and have garrus and tali with me when i fight the final boss?

[Homebound]

first playthrough i let my li tali eat a rocket to the face during the final mission...it was more of an accident. oddly enough i think she and grunt were the only ones that died. basically, the squadmates at the top and bottom of the barrel, died.

[DarthVadoc]

I've never killed off anyone off intentionally. Thane died on one playthrough and so did Garrus and Mordin but i usually try to avoid killing off everyone even on a renegade playthrough.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Following my first play-through I learned what it takes for everyone to live or die in the end of the game so in the next two runs I killed off Samara for my renegade Shepard and half the crew for my paragade Shepard. Both times it was me as a player going for the effect of a tragic victory, not for Shepard deliberately leaving people behind to die.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 11 février 2011 - 02:26 .

[Celtic Latino]

Not on my first/canon run, but in other playthroughs I did (just so I see what comes of ME3). *Don't exactly have who survived/who didn't off the top of my head though, but one of my characters almost everyone died (including Ash and Wrex) with the exception of Samara, Tali, Jack and Jacob.

[Dragonsword18]

Nope... never. I feel bad even if i know its only game. I dunno i`m softie in that kind of games.



SPOILER



Same happend in Dragon Age at the end when Morringan is leaving me>.<Feel rly bad ;(

[Reavah]

Thane, Samara, and Jacob. Everytime, all the time :innocent:

[kglaser]

I always save everybody. If I ever did kill anyone, it'd just be for import to ME3, not Hate Purposes. I don't hate anyone.

[bergklintmichael007]

Nope. Always tried to save everyone.



After losing his entire team on Akouze, and leaving Ash to die on Virmire, my Shep would probably break down and curl up in a ball in the corner of the captain's quarters bathroom.

[kglaser]

The first time I played ME2, I lost 2 people. I tried again, and lost 2 people again (one of them different, this time). I assumed it was a given that I had to lose 2 people, just like I had to lose at least 1 in the first game. heh.