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[garrus and ashley fool]

why did people not like ashley. to me she was one of the most loyal characters to you. the reasons i have heard are because she was racist towards aliens and because she killed wrex. to me she wasnt racist just would choose humanity over other aliens. i mean she wasnt as racist as other aliens
salarians were racist towards krogan
wrex was racist towards garrus
garuus was racist towards wrex
there were alot of more aliens racist towards each other.


also i dont understand why people liked wrex. he had a gun pointing at me and ashley had my back. im glad she didnt freak out like other females would of and had my back. yes i know his race was in trouble but no reason to pull a gun on me. i was also shocked to find out why he cared after talking so much crap about the other krogan. also wrex was just a jerk which is why i hated him besides jack he is my most hated character in the game

[AdmiralCheez]

Ashley was a very well-written and human character, but she doesn't strike me as someone I'd get along with IRL.



Wrex is just a badass.



More answers here.

[Quole]

wait... what?

[xlavaina]

Okay first of all, Wrex is a total badass. Nuff said. Thats why people like him. The reason people did not like Ashley is simply because she is such a bland character. Anti alien marine blah blah blah. Its too cliche. Thats why people liked the alien characters the most (except for the blue human Liara). I'm not going to lie to you. This is why Ash was one of my least favorite characters from the first game.

[garrus and ashley fool]

to me wrex wasnt exciting just someone who talked smack and he pointed a gun at me no reason to like someone after that

[GuardianAngel470]

Yup, you're definitely an Ashley fan. Very much like her, only less open and more hateful.



Ashley was presented to the player as an anti-alien, religious, aggressive character. Between the way her religious reveal actually played out and the way much of her dialog had you judging her and various aspects of her many people were turned off.



I don't hate aliens, I just don't trust them. What do you think?



I'm religious, what do you think?



My Grandfather surrendered during the FCW, what do you think?



I like poetry, what do you think?



I believe in the afterlife, what do you think?



Do you see what I'm getting at? Most people don't like being forced to judge others. Many people love judging people but not being forced to.



This made her character abrasive.

[garrus and ashley fool]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Yup, you're definitely an Ashley fan. Very much like her, only less open and more hateful.

Ashley was presented to the player as an anti-alien, religious, aggressive character. Between the way her religious reveal actually played out and the way much of her dialog had you judging her and various aspects of her many people were turned off.

I don't hate aliens, I just don't trust them. What do you think?

I'm religious, what do you think?

My Grandfather surrendered during the FCW, what do you think?

I like poetry, what do you think?

I believe in the afterlife, what do you think?

Do you see what I'm getting at? Most people don't like being forced to judge others. Many people love judging people but not being forced to.

This made her character abrasive.

i rather have that either then someone being a jerk..... wrex and ashley actions were what made me like her more than her words and she did share some stories i like the story with her sister was interesting but i can see people wanting to get to know aliens because that is what the game is based on and her being a regular human i can see for those reasons them not liking her character

[Manic Sheep]

garrus
and ashley fool wrote...
to me wrex wasnt exciting just someone who talked smack and he pointed a gun at me no reason to like someone after that

Well yeah he did point a gun at you but to be fair you were talking about destroying the cure for the genophage. You know...the condition that causes his people to repeatedly have stillbirths? I would be pretty pissed if I was him too. I would put humans ahead of aliens (to clarify I don't mean that I would consider aliens second class and not help one but I wouldn't run off to help the Asari while my own race had just as many problems) and I would expect the same of aliens too. Wrex cares about his people, why do you think he was trying to unite the Krogan clans and convince his people to stop fighting? And of course he talks **** about his people. They are being idiots! I talk **** about the human race and question the intelligence of the general populace all the time but that doesn’t mean I don’t care.

In anycase I like Ashley. I get why some people don’t tho.

I don’t however understand why some compare her to terra firma or think she should like Cerberus. She is distrustful and not used to working with aliens but she is not a human supremacist. Her concern in letting random aliens you picked up on the street examine the most advanced ship in the alliance military is perfectly valid IMHO even if the ship itself was a joint project. Nor does she strike me as the type who would agree with throwing ethics out the window in experiments. Also people ****ing about her shooting Wrex is a bit silly. You ask her to watch your back and she only shoots if you either signal her or Wrex looks like he is about to actually shoot you. Would people have preferred she did nothing and Shepard died?

Also www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 02 février 2011 - 04:36 .

[garrus and ashley fool]

Manic Sheep wrote...

garrus
and ashley fool wrote...
to me wrex wasnt exciting just someone who talked smack and he pointed a gun at me no reason to like someone after that

Well yeah he did point a gun at you but to be fair you were talking about destroying the cure for the genophage. You know...the condition that causes his people to repeatedly have stillbirths? I would be pretty pissed if I was him too. I would put humans ahead of aliens (to clarify I don't mean that I would consider aliens second class and not help one but I wouldn't run off to help the Asari while my own race had just as many problems) and I would expect the same of aliens too. Wrex cares about his people, why do you think he was trying to unite the Krogan clans and convince his people to stop fighting? And of course he talks **** about his people. They are being idiots! I talk **** about the human race and question the intelligence of the general populace all the time but that doesn’t mean I don’t care.

In anycase I like Ashley. I get why some people don’t tho.

I don’t however understand why some compare her to terra firma or think she should like Cerberus. She is distrustful and not used to working with aliens but she is not a human supremacist. Her concern in letting random aliens you picked up on the street examine the most advanced ship in the alliance military is perfectly valid IMHO even if the ship itself was a joint project. Nor does she strike me as the type who would agree with throwing ethics out the window in experiments. Also people ****ing about her shooting Wrex is a bit silly. You ask her to watch your back and she only shoots if you either signal her or Wrex looks like he is about to actually shoot you. Would people have preferred she did nothing and Shepard died?

Also www.youtube.com/watch

good points and i agree with everything you said on this
but i just didnt like wrex i guess and the way he acted towards you i know krogan are this way but does that make it right
i did like grunt as a krogan though loyal even though he was wierd and a little bit to brutal for me imo i did not trust him untill after his misson

[CihanSan]

Every Character made by BioWare ist AWESOME!

[garrus and ashley fool]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Ashley is perhaps the best written human squad member. Miranda is quite deep, and Kasumi is awesome, but Ashley just felt the most realistic, most human. She's just a completely normal soldier, with a happy family, and normal human emotions, both good and bad. I find her to be quite interesting, unlike Jacob - perhaps it's because I like poetry myself.

She did not kill Wrex because of her racism. She killed Wrex to ensure the mission will not be compromised. Wrex is a good friend & mentor to my Shepard in all my playthroughs, and he never died, but I would kill Wrex too if I'm in Ash's position, whether he is Krogan, Human, or Batarian. Ash is a bit racist, yes, but it's mostly against Turians and for very good (if personal) reasons. I'm not racist or religious, but I'm perfectly fine with her differing views.

Hell, if I ever play MaleShep I'd most likely romance her. She's interesting but normal, a rare combination for ME characters.

yep and i felt the same way about jacob he was boring even though i did like him as a character

[Kim Shepard]

People just like different types of characters. One person can like something about a character that another person will hate that character for. That's why there are so many different personality types among the squadmates - there's someone for everyone to like.

In my opinion, all of BioWare's characters are well-written. They have a personality, history, and opinions that are very believable. If I don't like one of those things, the character definitely won't be a favorite of mine. If I don't like any of them, then I won't like the character at all, and for me, this is the category Ashley is included in. As for the others you mentioned in the first post, Garrus and Wrex are two of my favorite squadmates, and Garrus is one of my top five favorite characters overall. I don't really like or dislike the salarians in general. I'm kind of neutral towards them. Mordin is hilarious though.

[Manic Sheep]

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

garrus
and ashley fool wrote...
to me wrex wasnt exciting just someone who talked smack and he pointed a gun at me no reason to like someone after that

Well yeah he did point a gun at you but to be fair you were talking about destroying the cure for the genophage. You know...the condition that causes his people to repeatedly have stillbirths? I would be pretty pissed if I was him too. I would put humans ahead of aliens (to clarify I don't mean that I would consider aliens second class and not help one but I wouldn't run off to help the Asari while my own race had just as many problems) and I would expect the same of aliens too. Wrex cares about his people, why do you think he was trying to unite the Krogan clans and convince his people to stop fighting? And of course he talks **** about his people. They are being idiots! I talk **** about the human race and question the intelligence of the general populace all the time but that doesn’t mean I don’t care.

In anycase I like Ashley. I get why some people don’t tho.

I don’t however understand why some compare her to terra firma or think she should like Cerberus. She is distrustful and not used to working with aliens but she is not a human supremacist. Her concern in letting random aliens you picked up on the street examine the most advanced ship in the alliance military is perfectly valid IMHO even if the ship itself was a joint project. Nor does she strike me as the type who would agree with throwing ethics out the window in experiments. Also people ****ing about her shooting Wrex is a bit silly. You ask her to watch your back and she only shoots if you either signal her or Wrex looks like he is about to actually shoot you. Would people have preferred she did nothing and Shepard died?

Also www.youtube.com/watch

good points and i agree with everything you said on this
but i just didnt like wrex i guess and the way he acted towards you i know krogan are this way but does that make it right
i did like grunt as a krogan though loyal even though he was wierd and a little bit to brutal for me imo i did not trust him untill after his misson

Fair enough, I really like Wrex but that doesn’t mean everyone else has too. With how many vastly different characters there are in Mass Effect most people are bound to have at least one they aren’t particularly fond of.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 02 février 2011 - 05:19 .

[garrus and ashley fool]

Manic Sheep wrote...

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

garrus
and ashley fool wrote...
to me wrex wasnt exciting just someone who talked smack and he pointed a gun at me no reason to like someone after that

Well yeah he did point a gun at you but to be fair you were talking about destroying the cure for the genophage. You know...the condition that causes his people to repeatedly have stillbirths? I would be pretty pissed if I was him too. I would put humans ahead of aliens (to clarify I don't mean that I would consider aliens second class and not help one but I wouldn't run off to help the Asari while my own race had just as many problems) and I would expect the same of aliens too. Wrex cares about his people, why do you think he was trying to unite the Krogan clans and convince his people to stop fighting? And of course he talks **** about his people. They are being idiots! I talk **** about the human race and question the intelligence of the general populace all the time but that doesn’t mean I don’t care.

In anycase I like Ashley. I get why some people don’t tho.

I don’t however understand why some compare her to terra firma or think she should like Cerberus. She is distrustful and not used to working with aliens but she is not a human supremacist. Her concern in letting random aliens you picked up on the street examine the most advanced ship in the alliance military is perfectly valid IMHO even if the ship itself was a joint project. Nor does she strike me as the type who would agree with throwing ethics out the window in experiments. Also people ****ing about her shooting Wrex is a bit silly. You ask her to watch your back and she only shoots if you either signal her or Wrex looks like he is about to actually shoot you. Would people have preferred she did nothing and Shepard died?

Also www.youtube.com/watch

good points and i agree with everything you said on this
but i just didnt like wrex i guess and the way he acted towards you i know krogan are this way but does that make it right
i did like grunt as a krogan though loyal even though he was wierd and a little bit to brutal for me imo i did not trust him untill after his misson

Fair enough, I really like Wrex but that doesn’t mean everyone else has too. With how many vastly different characters there are in Mass Effect most people are bound to have at least one they aren’t particularly fond of.

jack and him i didnt really like the way there attitude is and that they thought that they could run the ship

[Big I]

She's prejudiced against aliens; she says it's against the Council, yet doesn't even trust Wrex or Tali, who are non-Council.



I've never left Kaiden behind on Virmire.

[garrus and ashley fool]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

She's prejudiced against aliens; she says it's against the Council, yet doesn't even trust Wrex or Tali, who are non-Council.

I've never left Kaiden behind on Virmire.

she did build trust with tali and wrex do you blame her for not trusting him the way he is acting

[ADLegend21]

Honest answer - it's because she's human. to Quote Padzi from deviant art "We don't play sci fi games to romance humans, am I right?" All the human LI's ahve stigma's that are almost completely wrong. Ashley's a racist (her WRITER even said she wasn't racist, I repeat her WRITER said she wasn't racist, proof is in the Ashley support Thread). Kaidan's a whiner and emo (He tells you about brain camp, then follwos up by saying "I'm 32, I wouldn't be here if I didn't have my past squared away and before he tells you the whole thing he says he doesn't want to sound like a whiner!) Jacob's got no personality (if you call a good sense of right and wrong and a no nonsense attitude boring. He's also the only me2 love interest outside of DLC Liara that asks shepard how she feels about the whole cerberus deal) Miranda's a **** and a s.lut (she's pragmaticand not at all ****ty) and Jack's crazy (she was tortured as a little girl and saw the worst the galaxy had to offer so she must be insane and unstable right?). Alien LI's get a free pass because they're cool and exotic Garrus is space batman (he wont stop whining about his dad, C-sec's regulations, and losing his Omega team) Tali's the sexist thing to ever walkon the normandy (we literally have NO idea what she looks like) Thane is mysterious and deep (I'll give him deep, but he's an assasin, shepard's backstory is more interesting than that, plus he keeps mentioning his dead wife and son) and Liara is one fine piece of blue alien (she's head over heels for Shepard regardless of how she's treated, which is kind of unsettling.)



Don't get me wrong, I love the majority of the characters, Ash being at the top of my list along with Miranda, mainly because Ash is most likely to be based off of a real person, she tells it like it is and doesn't care what anyone would think about it and she knows what she wants out of life and who she is and I like that Shepard can't dramatically change her character (She can help Ashley trust aliens more but that's about it)



RE: Ash killing Wrex

Ash has shepard's back all the way. Wrex does finally show some concern for the krogan when he hears there's a cure, but after you destory the base he's glad you did it and even says so in the second game when you meet him on Tuchanka.You can even signal ash to take the shot to which Wrex says "you bastard/****" now if Ash does it on her own then you needed to spend some points on charm or intimidate and you got yours Wrex should know better than to raise a gun a Shepard, unless she wants you to stay alive, you're gonna die by her hand or one of her squaddies hands and ash delivers.

[Phate Phoenix]

I don't hate Ashely, I just never found her character truly interesting. Also, all of my FemSheps were never really close with her. Their family lives and values were too different, I suppose, for it to feel like they could be good friends.

Wrex, however, was someone that my FemSheps clicked with. So much so in fact, that Wrex is the number-one character from ME1 that I wanted to romance. Joker's a close second, but Wrex is really the one most of my FemSheps would go for.
It doesn't hurt that he's a giant, murderous lizard.

Modifié par Phate Phoenix, 02 février 2011 - 05:57 .

[Kim Shepard]

I don't think Ashley being human is the reason. At least, it isn't one of my reasons. Out of my top six favorites, half of them are human - TIM, Kai Leng, and Zaeed. Zaeed's not even in my game, and he managed to become one of my favorites from youtube videos alone. Kasumi seems to be a character I would like and I think Jack is interesting, even though they aren't favorites of mine. Species has nothing to do with it.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I don't think Ashley being human is the reason. At least, it isn't one of my reasons. Out of my top six favorites, half of them are human - TIM, Kai Leng, and Zaeed. Zaeed's not even in my game, and he managed to become one of my favorites from youtube videos alone. Kasumi seems to be a character I would like and I think Jack is interesting, even though they aren't favorites of mine. Species has nothing to do with it.

i think it has something to do with it maybe not in your case but for other people they felt she was a boring normal human soilder
and this is a sci fi game they dont want to hear about humans

Modifié par garrus and ashley fool, 02 février 2011 - 06:08 .

[Kim Shepard]

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I don't think Ashley being human is the reason. At least, it isn't one of my reasons. Out of my top six favorites, half of them are human - TIM, Kai Leng, and Zaeed. Zaeed's not even in my game, and he managed to become one of my favorites from youtube videos alone. Kasumi seems to be a character I would like and I think Jack is interesting, even though they aren't favorites of mine. Species has nothing to do with it.

i think it has something to do with it maybe not in your case but for other people they felt she was a boring normal human soilder
and this is a sci fi game they dont want to hear about humans

Of course it's a reason for some people, but I was talking about the majority. I think the main thing that people don't like about characters is their personality, especially personality traits that are annoying to them. That's mostly what I've seen on the forums.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Kim Shepard wrote...

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I don't think Ashley being human is the reason. At least, it isn't one of my reasons. Out of my top six favorites, half of them are human - TIM, Kai Leng, and Zaeed. Zaeed's not even in my game, and he managed to become one of my favorites from youtube videos alone. Kasumi seems to be a character I would like and I think Jack is interesting, even though they aren't favorites of mine. Species has nothing to do with it.

i think it has something to do with it maybe not in your case but for other people they felt she was a boring normal human soilder
and this is a sci fi game they dont want to hear about humans

Of course it's a reason for some people, but I was talking about the majority. I think the main thing that people don't like about characters is their personality, especially personality traits that are annoying to them. That's mostly what I've seen on the forums.

i think that had something to do with her being human and i have seen alot of other reasons but mostly because she is human IMO

[Some Dude]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lol that's hilarious.

[Kim Shepard]

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I don't think Ashley being human is the reason. At least, it isn't one of my reasons. Out of my top six favorites, half of them are human - TIM, Kai Leng, and Zaeed. Zaeed's not even in my game, and he managed to become one of my favorites from youtube videos alone. Kasumi seems to be a character I would like and I think Jack is interesting, even though they aren't favorites of mine. Species has nothing to do with it.

i think it has something to do with it maybe not in your case but for other people they felt she was a boring normal human soilder
and this is a sci fi game they dont want to hear about humans

Of course it's a reason for some people, but I was talking about the majority. I think the main thing that people don't like about characters is their personality, especially personality traits that are annoying to them. That's mostly what I've seen on the forums.

i think that had something to do with her being human and i have seen alot of other reasons but mostly because she is human IMO

That's strange, we must have been reading different threads. Most of the reason's I've seen are those in GuardianAngel470's list. Either way, I don't think it's accurate to say that most of the people who don't like her character only think that way because she's human. That just sounds like it's dismissing all of the reasons why someone might not like her personality or her opinions, even if that wasn't the intent.