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[HazelrahFiver]

I mean fail as in complete the mission and yet not gain the loyalty of the associated character.  I also want to say that I am excluding the arguments between Miranda and Jack, and Tali and Legion.  I understand that those two conflicts can easily have the outcome of losing one or the other's loyalty, in each situation.  If you side with Legion than Tali becomes unloyal, for example.

Also, it's obvious that you can fail to gain Samara's loyalty, but that automatically leads to Morinth's support, so that does me no good.

What I am speaking of is having an outcome, be it through physical choice or dialogue, that allows for completion of the mission and yet has the associated team member not loyal (and hopefully not able to become loyal).  The only example I know of working is with Zaeed.  I have attempted Garrus and Thane's missions and it absolutely does not work.  I tried many options, loading the most recent save I have and burning through three hours of my day, and they will ALWAYS become loyal.  As far as I can tell from the net (which also says those two should work...) that only leaves Tali, but I unfortunately already completed that mission.  Luckily I knew I could lose her loyalty by choosing Legion.

Anyone have any ideas, opinions or facts?  I would really hope that the missions can be failed, but I'll be damned if you can fail Thane and Garrus'.  I will admit that my character is mainly Paragon despite the death run I am on, and so perhaps you need Renegade options to achieve what I want.

[PsychoWARD23]

Yes, Samara's and Zaeed's are the one's that I know of.

[Capeo]

On Thane's you can not get his loyalty by letting the guy you're supposed to follow get away. Thane's son then kills him and the mission ends. Thane won't be loyal to you but you get credit for the mission. I did this on my first playthrough. It definetely works.



Same can happen in Zaeed's as you mention. Those are the only two I have experienced first hand.

[Whatever42]

I believe you can fail Tali's by betraying her father. Thane, I don't know, I haven't played all the options. Everyone else, I don't believe you can fail, no. The only failure is to not complete them.

[Kaltrec]

Like you said, i think the only one you can actully fail to gain loyalty is Tali, the same dialogue option also seem to lead to the worst case scenario in the quarian storyline

[Someone With Mass]

Thane's, Tali's, Samara's and Zaeed's loyalties can be missed.



You can lose Legion's, Jack's and Miranda's loyalty if you side with their counterpart in their fight after both parts' loyalty missions are completed.

[CaptainZaysh]

HazelrahFiver wrote...

Also, it's obvious that you can fail to gain Samara's loyalty, but that automatically leads to Morinth's support, so that does me no good.

Actually I think you can fail the mission by meeting Morinth in the club, but messing up the seduction part (when Morinth tells you she feels a connection, you can go "nope, I don't feel anything" and she leaves you alone).  I think you will end up with mission complete but Samara unloyal.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Kaltrec wrote...

Like you said, i think the only one you can actully fail to gain loyalty is Tali, the same dialogue option also seem to lead to the worst case scenario in the quarian storyline

Not the only one; you can also fail to gain Thane's loyalty if Kolyat ends up neutralizing his target. Same goes for Zaeed's loyalty mission; if you choose to save the workers but don't have enough Paragon points to convince Zaeed at the end, you will fail his loyalty.

Every other loyalty mission can't be failed as long as you do it.

EDIT:  CaptainZaysh is correct; Samara's loyalty can be failed as well if you mess up the conversation with Morinth.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 02 février 2011 - 04:03 .

[Stupidus]

Here is a link of someone failing Thane's Loyalty Mission

[HazelrahFiver]

Capeo wrote...

On Thane's you can not get his loyalty by letting the guy you're supposed to follow get away. Thane's son then kills him and the mission ends. Thane won't be loyal to you but you get credit for the mission. I did this on my first playthrough. It definetely works.

Same can happen in Zaeed's as you mention. Those are the only two I have experienced first hand.

Interesting.  I had not thought to try simply letting the Turian walk on without me following and letting the timer expire.  I had assumed that would fail the mission outright, and not just the loyalty potion.  That will only take a few minutes to try, so I'll give that mission one more go.

[Fiery Phoenix]

To put it simply, these are the people whose loyalty missions can be failed (and consequently they don't become loyal to you):

- Tali
- Samara
- Thane
- Zaeed

Everyone else's mission can't be failed no matter what you do.

[Someone With Mass]

I honestly thought I'd lose Garrus' loyalty if I didn't let him pop Sidonis in the head, after all the talks I had with Garrus about revenge and stuff.



Was quite surprised.

[Capeo]

HazelrahFiver wrote...

Capeo wrote...

On Thane's you can not get his loyalty by letting the guy you're supposed to follow get away. Thane's son then kills him and the mission ends. Thane won't be loyal to you but you get credit for the mission. I did this on my first playthrough. It definetely works.

Same can happen in Zaeed's as you mention. Those are the only two I have experienced first hand.

Interesting.  I had not thought to try simply letting the Turian walk on without me following and letting the timer expire.  I had assumed that would fail the mission outright, and not just the loyalty potion.  That will only take a few minutes to try, so I'll give that mission one more go.

Yup, just stand there and either let the guy walk out of range or don't report to Thane.  Either way it cuts to his son killing the guy and you won't get Thane's loyalty.  This happened to me the first time I did it because when the guys turn to walk into that shop I thought it was corridor.  I ran around like a fool trying figure out how to go in that direction and failed.  I didn't realize the guy was just going to stand there.  Felt like an idiot when I saw how simple it was to do on my second play through.

[HazelrahFiver]

Capeo wrote...
Yup, just stand there and either let the guy walk out of range or don't report to Thane.  Either way it cuts to his son killing the guy and you won't get Thane's loyalty.  This happened to me the first time I did it because when the guys turn to walk into that shop I thought it was corridor.  I ran around like a fool trying figure out how to go in that direction and failed.  I didn't realize the guy was just going to stand there.  Felt like an idiot when I saw how simple it was to do on my second play through.

Well what do you know, it worked!  Ignoring the update bar takes you to the cutscene in which Shepard normally interrupts Kolyat and then procedes to make Paragon or Renegade choices.  Instead, Kolyat completes his assassination and Thane whines.  The mission still completes but without his loyalty.  Perfect.

Thank you for the tips!

[Dean_the_Young]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

To put it simply, these are the people whose loyalty missions can be failed (and consequently they don't become loyal to you):

- Tali
- Samara
- Thane
- Zaeed

Everyone else's mission can't be failed no matter what you do.

'Fail' is such a dirty word.

I can expose a war criminal and series of crimes committed against the Flotilla. I can stop one woman's fanatical quest for revenge. I can ensure that a super-racist demagogue doesn't get elected, while limiting the potential of being a martyr for dieing at human hands. I can save a lot of factory workers, if I am so inclined.

So some people don't like it. They're not Commander Shepard, Hero of the Galaxy, Spectre, the person who's to make the tough decisions to save the galaxy.

[Fiery Phoenix]

We're using this word from a gameplay perspective, Dean. That is, how the game itself reads things. I know it doesn't quite apply if you look at it from a deeper, story perspective.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 02 février 2011 - 06:49 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Dead?



I'm dead now?



I... I didn't know.

[Fiery Phoenix]

LOL! Oh my... XD

[Dean_the_Young]

You went back and edited your post.



So... am I not Dead now? Did you bring me back to life?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Lazarus Project is reality now. And it's as simple as clicking the edit button.

[didymos1120]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
if you choose to save the workers but don't have enough Paragon points to convince Zaeed at the end, you will fail his loyalty.

You can do that on purpose if you want, too.

[CroGamer002]

Loyalties you can fail:

Tali loyalty: giving evidence to Quarian Admirals
Zaeed loyalty: save workers, let Vido go and not choose or not have enough Paragon points for blue Paragon dialogue.
Thane: fail to follow Joram Thalid
Samara: fail to seduce Morinth


Also you can lose loyalties additionally from:

Miranda or Jack if you don't choose or not have enough Paragon or Renegade points for blue Paragon or red Renegade dialogue

Same with Legion vs Tali

Modifié par Mesina2, 02 février 2011 - 07:23 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

To put it simply, these are the people whose loyalty missions can be failed (and consequently they don't become loyal to you):

- Tali
- Samara
- Thane
- Zaeed

Everyone else's mission can't be failed no matter what you do.

I've never failed Thane and Samara's. Is there any special dialogue?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I've never failed Thane and Samara's. Is there any special dialogue?

I don't know about Samara, but here is what happens if you fail Thane's loyalty:



So very depressing.

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

To put it simply, these are the people whose loyalty missions can be failed (and consequently they don't become loyal to you):

- Tali
- Samara
- Thane
- Zaeed

Everyone else's mission can't be failed no matter what you do.

I've never failed Thane and Samara's. Is there any special dialogue?

You fail Samara's loyalty mission if you fail to get her attention in the club or you **** up while trying to get to know/seduce her (ie. ask about her family etc.)

For Thane's, I think you fail the mission if you lose Joram Talid and his bodyguard when tailing them.

Modifié par xXSnak3Eat3rXx, 02 février 2011 - 07:29 .