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[tigrina]

AlanC9 wrote...
How does that prove anything except that they haven't bothered butting out marketing junk early?

It only proves that marketing is.. well, slow, I guess.

Seeing Mr. Gaider saying that we will have the game on release date means a lot more than whatever marketing can throw at us. In my opinion anyway.

[Purple People Eater]

Hey Bioware, how about making all the pre order shenanigans free for download on the day of launch for everyone just as a show of good faith. Hmm...hmmm???...no. Oh well, its worth a shot.

[blothulfur]

I assume there are still a load of the people who brought us baldurs gate working at bioware and they still have a love for the same older style games that we do but its not as marketable so why not sell a few metric ton of more popular and accesible games which are still highly playable with great stories to all markets and peoples so that one day they're rich enough to say.

"You know what lads and lasses, you've been with us since the beginning and stayed faithful so we're gonna craft a game just for you crusty old bastards. It's gonna be either baldurs gate 3 or ultima the guardians fall and it'll rock out with it's rooster out. Bioware out".

Never happen but everybody needs a dream.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Definitely terrible marketing. Maybe it's only me, but the historical geek that I am cringes whenever I hear "think like a general, fight like a spartan!". It's like it's insulting our intelligence, but maybe many wouldn't even understand why I am saying that.

And the "push a button and something awesome happens" is just....meh. You're not selling an action figure.

[Shadelon]

I personally think they're merely just being EXTREMELY careful with spoilers, and that the marketing will ramp up in the next few weeks. They already have planned a few international press events at which the game will be playable at. That's just the start of it I am sure.



Personally, this is about the same amount of marketing I see from ANY game a month before launch.

[Morroian]

Deadmac wrote...

What do we know about "Dragon Age II", which makes this game an inferior product:
~ The game will be drastically shorter than "Dragon Age: Origins".

This is neutral to me, DAO had long sections that dragged far too much, DA2 looks like being a pretty standard game length if not even longer than average.

Deadmac wrote...

~ You can only be a human male or female.

Again neutral, the reasons for it are good ones and its not like there was any difference between races in DAO.

Deadmac wrote...

~ Your NPC companions will only have one or two pieces of personal gear; therefore, you cannot switch around gear to maximize the effectiveness of your party. 

I'd prefer something between the 2 extremes, customised outfits but a choice of a few different customised outfits for each character.

Deadmac wrote...

If you think about those limitations, "Dragon Age II" is an extremely inferior product to the original. Why waste the ad revenue on this game? Its not worth it.

Thats extremely presumptuous.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

2k sports is like this every year with the nba games they release info 3 weeks before release

[Mad-Max90]

It wasn't the console gamers' fault the marketing team had an action packed cg trailer that in no way resembled origins, so please forgive us, we apparently still can't enjoy a "pc" game. Get over yourself I loved origins and still play it. I tried pc gaming I just favor playing with a controller on tv, I will only use my pc for sw tor when that comes out

[RosaAquafire]

Man, does every single thread anybody start have to turn into WELL DA:O WAS BETTER THAN DA2 AND DA2 IS A TRAVESTY. I'm excited for DA2, go away. I just want to complain about how I still haven't heard Lady Hawke's voice, Fenris's accent, and there's a whole entire companion who is still anonymous

Also, I really don't consider the Broodmother video spoilers. There was enough to a vague idea of what was going on there, but I remember the forums actually debating what the Broodmother was, with no one being sure.

It's not a spoiler, to me, unless it SPOILS something, ruins it. The broodmother trailer ruined nothing.

[Purple People Eater]

Origins is one of my favorite games ever I think, so DA2 naturally has alot to live up to. I guess its not fair of me to just expect the world of the game. Ill get it no matter what. Im just concerned the lack of promotion means that Bioware knows that DA2 is an inferior product to the original. With the possibility of that, I actually wish this game had another 6 months or so of development. It would suck waiting even longer, but it would be easier to put faith in the game. The only thing I can take comfort in is that its Bioware, and they've never really let me down, aside from maybe most of the RPG elements being sucked out of ME2, which was basiclly a good 3rd person shooter with conversation wheels.

[HolyJellyfish]

Valve coorporation is notorious for its lack of marketing. When Left 4 Dead 2 was coming out, the only thing people had was a trailer, a list of the new undead, and the fact that melee weapons are usable. Not to mention the lack of info about Portal 2.



Point is, it doesn't necessarily need to market because it already has enough anticipation built around the company's products. People are faithful to the company and genuinely excited about whatever game comes out of it. The lack of trailers and info is a happy nod that doesn't spoil anything and certainly doesn't hinder its sales.



After the impression Mass Effect 2 has had on the video game audience at large, not to mention Bioware's name repeated in many, MANY lists as one of the hottest video game companies out there, they may have power enough to go the way of Valve. Little information, a lot of anticipation.



Despite the lack of marketing, my gamestop still says DA2 is definitely one of the more highly anticipated games and expects a very large midnight turnout. We shall see.

[Sauronych]

Isn't a demo on Feb 23rd worth more than a hundred trailers?

[Tamahome560]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And the "push a button and something awesome happens" is just....meh. You're not selling an action figure.

Well Chris Priestley pushed a button on his mouse to post the DA:L closed beta announcement as the big surprise of 02.01.2011 and something awesome happened: The whole forum went up in flames.

I wish that the marketing at least realesed some gameplay footage or some general story or character trailers but seems like releasing nothing is the new sh*t when it comes to marketing.

In the end we will know if the new marketing strategy paid of when we get some kind of a sales report.

[ladydesire]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, does every single thread anybody start have to turn into WELL DA:O WAS BETTER THAN DA2 AND DA2 IS A TRAVESTY. I'm excited for DA2, go away. I just want to complain about how I still haven't heard Lady Hawke's voice, Fenris's accent, and there's a whole entire companion who is still anonymous

How is the one unidentified companion any different from Origins? Or have you forgotten "the Secret Companion"? To be honest, I'm glad the marketing isn't anything like DAO was, and I never saw any of that, other than what was on the forums.

[Purple People Eater]

Sauronych wrote...

Isn't a demo on Feb 23rd worth more than a hundred trailers?

As long as its on 360 too, absolutely.

[Morroian]

[quote]Purple People Eater wrote...

Origins is one of my favorite games ever I think, so DA2 naturally has alot to live up to. I guess its not fair of me to just expect the world of the game. Ill get it no matter what. Im just concerned the lack of promotion means that Bioware knows that DA2 is an inferior product to the original.[/quote]

No offence but  such statements are ludicrous. They are aiming to sell in the millions and have an ongoing franchise with their own IP, of course they want to market it, the simple thing is EAs marketing is just extremely poor. It was poor for DAO and its been poor for DA2. My opinion is that the EA marketing people simply don't know how to market to the RPG market. 


With the possibility of that, I actually wish this game had another 6 months or so of development. It would suck waiting even longer, but it would be easier to put faith in the game. The only thing I can take comfort in is that its Bioware, and they've never really let me down, aside from maybe most of the RPG elements being sucked out of ME2, which was basiclly a good 3rd person shooter with conversation wheels.[/quote]

[OSUfan12121]

Gaider closed the demo thread as he said since it wasnt announced yet wed be giving false information to people even tho its on the Dragon Age website.

[Beerfish]

I'm going to smooth everything over for people upset over the demo controversy of the last few days.

FREE FOOD AND BEER FOR EVERYONE ON BEERFISH!!!!   


(* Beer and food may or may not be imaginery.  Offer may or may not be valid.  Offer may be viewed through the eyes of a Qunari and thus be meaningless.)

[Guitar-Hero]

Bad King wrote...

Steffen wrote...

Bad King wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

I'd sort of given it to the start of February to start really ramping up. This was right about where I'd gotten into DA:O, and I remember watching gameplay footage videos, character trailers for every character except Zevran and Oghren, origin trailers for all the Warden options, plot trailers for all the different locations. Everyone had guessed the VAs for most of the characters and everyone was bristling with excitement.

And let's not for THIS IS THE NEW **** and all its fallout.

I would definitely be okay with even something like that, right now. Because I still feel like I don't know anything about the characters or the Free Marches or anything other than if I press a button, something awesome is apparently going to happen.

come on, bw, where's the marketting? We're barely more than a month out, here!

Problem is, if they market like you want them to, they'll probably start spoiling things. I mean, look at the DA:O Broodmother trailer- that was a massive spoiler.

I have a solution, don't watch it.. Now theres a ****ing shocker

People cannot be sure of the contents of a trailer if they haven't watched it. They could start viewing a trailer thinking it would merely give them a small taste of what the game will be like but then *bam* spoilers.

If you consider seeing a broodmother a spoiler then it's your own fault, your conditions should not be imposed on others simply because your criteria of exaptable information is different, i for one want to know about companions, monsters, and the world im about to enter, if you don't thats your choice, just don't be surprised and blame others when getting fat from eating too much cake is all. 

Modifié par Steffen, 02 février 2011 - 09:55 .

[Brockololly]

Tamahome560 wrote...

In the end we will know if the new marketing strategy paid of when we get some kind of a sales report.

Not really- like I said, at this point I've preordered the game because of my enjoyment of Origins, not at all because of anything I've seen of DA2. I'm taking it on faith that just like the later stages of Origins' Marilyn Manson marketing turned me off to the game, the earlier stuff they had with Dan Tudge and the walkthroughs was good enough.

And if a demo is released, its even more important because we've seen next to nothing of the game and most of what you read outside of dev quotes on this forum are recycled and regurgitated talking points and marketing buzzwords.

[Legbiter]

Bioware marketing has always been full of (good-natured) fail. I almost gave DA:O a miss because the the Marilyn Manson music in their trailers.
But then again, since I became an adult and abandoned childish things, I can either stare wistfully at all of my dices, so joyfully tossed all through my version of High School, or I can catch a faint whiff of that same experience through Bioware.

[Purple People Eater]

Legbiter wrote...

Bioware marketing has always been full of (good-natured) fail. I almost gave DA:O a miss because the the Marilyn Manson music in their trailers.
But then again, since I became an adult and abandoned childish things, I can either stare wistfully at all of my dices, so joyfully tossed all through my version of High School, or I can catch a faint whiff of that same experience through Bioware.

You were correct initially in that Marilyn Manson is horrible and shouldnt be used in any type of marketing, save for items that could only be found at Hot Topics.

Modifié par Purple People Eater, 02 février 2011 - 09:59 .

[Bad King]

Steffen wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Steffen wrote...

Bad King wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

I'd sort of given it to the start of February to start really ramping up. This was right about where I'd gotten into DA:O, and I remember watching gameplay footage videos, character trailers for every character except Zevran and Oghren, origin trailers for all the Warden options, plot trailers for all the different locations. Everyone had guessed the VAs for most of the characters and everyone was bristling with excitement.

And let's not for THIS IS THE NEW **** and all its fallout.

I would definitely be okay with even something like that, right now. Because I still feel like I don't know anything about the characters or the Free Marches or anything other than if I press a button, something awesome is apparently going to happen.

come on, bw, where's the marketting? We're barely more than a month out, here!

Problem is, if they market like you want them to, they'll probably start spoiling things. I mean, look at the DA:O Broodmother trailer- that was a massive spoiler.

I have a solution, don't watch it.. Now theres a ****ing shocker

People cannot be sure of the contents of a trailer if they haven't watched it. They could start viewing a trailer thinking it would merely give them a small taste of what the game will be like but then *bam* spoilers.

If you consider seeing a broodmother a spoiler then it's your own fault, your conditions should not be imposed on others simply because your criteria of exaptable information is different, i for one want to know about companions, monsters, and the world im about to enter, if you don't thats your choice, just don't be surprised and blame others when getting fat from eating too much cake is all. 

Well then you're obviously missing my point. I'm against any overmarketing- where too much info is given away shortly before a game is released. A bit of marketing is fine to give people a taster of things in the game, but there's no point demanding too much when the game is so close to release.

[Dayshadow]

RosaAquafire wrote...

I'd sort of given it to the start of February to start really ramping up. This was right about where I'd gotten into DA:O, and I remember watching gameplay footage videos, character trailers for every character except Zevran and Oghren, origin trailers for all the Warden options, plot trailers for all the different locations. Everyone had guessed the VAs for most of the characters and everyone was bristling with excitement.

And let's not for THIS IS THE NEW **** and all its fallout.

I would definitely be okay with even something like that, right now. Because I still feel like I don't know anything about the characters or the Free Marches or anything other than if I press a button, something awesome is apparently going to happen.

come on, bw, where's the marketting? We're barely more than a month out, here!

They don't need marketing.  They could take a dump in the glass right in front of you, stick a straw in it and sell it to you as a chocolate shake and you'd pay $10 for it. Then charge you an additional $4 for a cherry on top.  They've got people wrapped around their fingers.

Seems that their marketing department is just a bunch of pranksters.  It's pretty funny when you think about it.