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[Faust1979]

 he might be mentioned a few times but really do you want to keep playing the same characters every game? in a roleplaying franchise like this it just makes sense to explore different characters and different stories instead of limiting yourself. It would be cool if we get an elven main character for the next game. 

[Stanley Woo]

I'm shocked that people on the internet would deliberately incite a bunch of passionate fans like that. SHOCKED, i say.

[Stanley Woo]

Night Prowler76 wrote...
But what if the people who like Origins get turned off by all the changes and dont bother to come back for part 3?

What if the people who like Origins love the changes and buy part 3 by the boatload? Either outcome is just as likely based on zero evidence and supposition.

They are alienating alot of their core fans with these moves, if you are on any other game forums other than this one, most people that post dislike the changes and think it looks really bad, those are likely customers that wont come back.

If we go by Mass Effect, the second part was loads more popular than the first. Whatever "core fans" (whatever that might mean) were lost was more than made up for by all the new players who become the new "core fans." Sometimes we are going to move in a direction that fans of previous games disagree with, and that's fine. Our games cannot be everything to everyone. We just hope that maybe, if you don't like this game, you'll try out the next one.

I hope you are right, but its doubtful they will go back to the Origins style of game.

that is likey, since another Origins type game would take a long time to produce and very expensive.

[David Gaider]

WilliamShatner wrote...
You can keep telling youself that but it won't become true.

Example,  At the time Batman Forever was far more popular with the mainstream than Batman Returns at the expense of the "hardcore fans".  Now look at the franchise.

Time makes fools of us all.

Except me.  I've got time's number.

So... let's see. DAO was Batman Returns in this scenario? And DA2 is Batman Forever? We put nipples on the batsuit?

Sometimes fans can be myopic idiots. Sometimes creators can also be myopic idiots, but really... at the end of the day it's our risk to take, not yours.

Upsettingshorts wrote...
 The fact that the former number may have people in it who go so far as to claim that, objectively, the changes made in DA2 make it a bad game, that's just the kind of egoism that's typical of the BSN.

But... there's so many people right here who dislike the changes! How can you argue with the fact that a whole bunch of people who loved DAO enough to hang out on its forums day in and day out, and all the DA2 fans who don't necessarily exist yet and thus their stupid opinions don't count, doesn't qualify as objective observation of the clear reaction that is awaiting a game most people haven't seen yet? I mean, look at the forums prior to DAO's release. That was pure presentience, right there.

Modifié par David Gaider, 03 février 2011 - 03:56 .

[David Gaider]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
I'm confused by the anger. Bioware's not a charity, it does not make games for a specific group of people. It makes games. Some people buy them, some don't. That's how it works and it's how it's always worked.

There's nothing to be confused by.

People become fans and they start to feel ownership-- either way it's an emotional investment in where they game goes. We ask for that, so it's hardly like we can resent getting it.

Do some people take it too far, into entitlement? Sure. But I don't think it's too crazy to want to be the one that a game developer courts when they're putting together a game. Who wants to feel like an outsider, especially when you felt like an insider previously-- whether that's a valid conclusion to make or not?

It gets weird when someone takes that emotional investment to the extent that they express their disappointment as hurt... like they've been dumped by their girlfriend/boyfriend-- or like a developer has been cheating on them. That's weird. But I don't think it's confusing.

[David Gaider]

Dave of Canada wrote...
So this isn't about your missing old Bioware games, this is about you hating coorperate entities in general and trying to argue against them on these boards?

As near as I can tell, most fans prefer to think of us as hobbyists. They like their developers small and still trying to make money... as opposed to actually making money, which is when we've sold out to the Man. The fact that making money was always the goal is irrelevant, as apparently you cannot do that while also being creative.

Not unless someone actually likes what we're doing. Then we're still hobbyists.

TeenZombie wrote...
Personally, I think I'm being quite reasonable when I express doubts about the sequel to a game I really enjoyed changing in what appears to be a dramatically different direction.  I don't think it's odd at all, and as long as Bioware welcomes public feedback, I think they should be prepared for that sort of thing when big changes are made.  There were many new features in DA2 that I didn't have a problem with, and actually welcome -- but when I express any doubts at all, about any new feature, there are posters who immediately jump to conclusions and accuse me of being unreasonably demanding.  I'm not demanding anything.  I'm asking for clarification, or an explanation, of why someone who enjoyed the first game would enjoy these new features.  I'm aware that Bioware is not a charity, but again, they accept feedback and questions, so why wouldn't I avail myself of that opportunity, especially when it's quite possible that once I understand the new elements in this game, I will find it more attractive.

I agree. I think it's completely reasonable to express doubts.

I'm not sure why people will rush to vociferously defend us-- maybe it's the other side of that emotional investment? The honor of one's boyfriend/girlfriend needs to be defended? Possibly it's because people assume that if someone says something on the forums which they disagree with, unless they do so immediately and conclusively other people (particularly us) will be swayed by their arguments and do what they're suggesting.

Did I say people are weird? They are. It's like getting the tearful phone call from your ex when you weren't aware you were going out in the first place.

Which is not to say that all people are weird, or that every expression of doubt is entitlement. As you say, a reasonable head and an eye for critical thinking will go far no matter where you end up on liking the game.

Modifié par David Gaider, 03 février 2011 - 07:47 .

[David Gaider]

LdyShayna wrote...
Sorry if I gave that impression.  I'll say for the record that the "breaking up with me" line that I used yesterday was meant to be a joke.

Yeah.  I've let my various frustrations build up too long.  I'll let it go.  Apologies.

Oh, I didn't mean you, LdyShayna, and I didn't know you used that line. I do, however, see the sentiment expressed often, in different ways. Insofar as you specifically go, I think you've made your point quite clear. We've crossed a line you're not willing to cross, so that means you won't play. Seems fair to me. I've only seen you actually say so on rare occasion, so I'd hardly call what you're doing the equivalent of the "unending break-up".

Modifié par David Gaider, 03 février 2011 - 07:52 .

[David Gaider]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
I really just don't like my position (pro changes) being shoe-horned in with a new audience (because I'm not) or some vague mainstream (which seems like a pejorative) or because it's either implied or explicitly said that I need my hand held or the game dumbed down (which is just insulting). So I end up "defending Bioware" when more often I feel like I'm defending myself from what I view as unfair attacks.

Whatever.

Apologist.