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[fighterchick]

You mean we're not playing as the warden in DA II?!

[_Aine_]

Well, at least this clarifies the question of whether complaining about complainers is more or less legitimate than original complainers complaining, right?



*ponders*

[SnakeStrike8]

This is a bait thread if ever I saw one. It's like the OP is deliberately hanging out a pawn for the hardcores to send their queens after...

[Stanley Woo]

I'm shocked that people on the internet would deliberately incite a bunch of passionate fans like that. SHOCKED, i say.

[mr_luga]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm shocked that people on the internet would deliberately incite a bunch of passionate fans like that. SHOCKED, i say.

Look what you guys did, Stanley's monocle fell into his well brewed tea in shock!

[Wedger]

any time I want to play as the warden - i'll just fire up DA:O



jeesh

[timmah30]

This is my take. Time and Time again Bioware said they were working on DA 2 while working on Orgins. Alot of people expected Orgins to flop due to the D&D roleplay style. So it would make sense to have a backup plan and different style for the sequal. Now that we find out that Orgins was a success, I feel that the next DA game WILL bring back the Orgins players, if not so much the Warden but Shale,Allister, Morrigan and Leilana. (my wonderful dwarf died in Awakenings lol oops!), So i would think it will return to form with part 3....Hoping!

[tdawg7669]

I think playing as the warden again is unlikely purely because bioware seems to be going in the direction of a voiced protagonist. It would be hard to do that while giving the player the option to import a warden that can be three different races.

[Night Prowler76]

timmah30 wrote...

This is my take. Time and Time again Bioware said they were working on DA 2 while working on Orgins. Alot of people expected Orgins to flop due to the D&D roleplay style. So it would make sense to have a backup plan and different style for the sequal. Now that we find out that Orgins was a success, I feel that the next DA game WILL bring back the Orgins players, if not so much the Warden but Shale,Allister, Morrigan and Leilana. (my wonderful dwarf died in Awakenings lol oops!), So i would think it will return to form with part 3....Hoping!

But what if the people who like Origins get turned off by all the changes and dont bother to come back for part 3? They are alienating alot of their core fans with these moves, if you are on any other game forums other than this one, most people that post dislike the changes and think it looks really bad, those are likely customers that wont come back.

I hope you are right, but its doubtful they will go back to the Origins style of game.

[Stanley Woo]

Night Prowler76 wrote...
But what if the people who like Origins get turned off by all the changes and dont bother to come back for part 3?

What if the people who like Origins love the changes and buy part 3 by the boatload? Either outcome is just as likely based on zero evidence and supposition.

They are alienating alot of their core fans with these moves, if you are on any other game forums other than this one, most people that post dislike the changes and think it looks really bad, those are likely customers that wont come back.

If we go by Mass Effect, the second part was loads more popular than the first. Whatever "core fans" (whatever that might mean) were lost was more than made up for by all the new players who become the new "core fans." Sometimes we are going to move in a direction that fans of previous games disagree with, and that's fine. Our games cannot be everything to everyone. We just hope that maybe, if you don't like this game, you'll try out the next one.

I hope you are right, but its doubtful they will go back to the Origins style of game.

that is likey, since another Origins type game would take a long time to produce and very expensive.

[Il Divo]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Likewise, mostly anyway.

I would have been happy to see a final DLC covering a potential ending for the Warden where they recieve their Calling, other than that I never really saw them coming back for another game. Witch Hunt has confused things somewhat, as the Warden can potentially go off with Morrigan, so I could see Bioware working out a way to bring our Warden's back for a plot based around Morrigan and Flemeth - but then there would be so many different conflicting decisions to import from Origins (and possible DA2) that it doesn't seem feasible to me.

I think this is my exact issue too. The Calling, as a final dlc, was such a great idea. The lore behind it was solid, Bioware gets to close off the story of our Warden conclusively, with minimal design costs (since you are just killing darkspawn), and with maximum fan satisfaction (probably). It would have been a perfect ending dlc,  especially since our final fate was implied by Alistair.

As someone who romanced Morrigan, I couldn't really complain with this type of ending. The problem Witch Hunt introduces is the ending where you enter the mirror with Morrigan. The cliffhanger style ending means that our Warden's fate is now tied to Morrigan's and the Godchild's which makes it incredibly complex to settle the issue with any kind of satisfaction.

[tigrina]

While I think they had more expansion planned than we've seen, they wouldn't make a Calling expansion. I don't think it is a good idea at all to have a story purely based on a very certain end.

[koshiee]

no1curr about the bland warden

[RussianSpy27]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I hope you are right, but its doubtful they will go back to the Origins style of game.

that is likey, since another Origins type game would take a long time to produce and very expensive.

There ya go....Stan just admitted Origins didn't sell well enough to be considered for another project of a similar magnitude ....you know all the stuff I said before about how we have to buy as many DA2 copies as possible? I take it all back. Let none be sold, so bioware realizes that Origins' magnitude is the only way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MDarwin]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I hope you are right, but its doubtful they will go back to the Origins style of game.

that is likey, since another Origins type game would take a long time to produce and very expensive.

There ya go....Stan just admitted Origins didn't sell well enough to be considered for another project of a similar magnitude ....you know all the stuff I said before about how we have to buy as many DA2 copies as possible? I take it all back. Let none be sold, so bioware realizes that Origins' magnitude is the only way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It does sounds like that! Oh well, Warden2, Adiue!

[bluecapsule6]

Using the same character makes sense in Mass Effect where you're telling one big story over the course of a trilogy. I expect Dragon Age to be a huge universe with many, many games, so I don't mind getting to play a different character in each one .

[Monica83]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...
But what if the people who like Origins get turned off by all the changes and dont bother to come back for part 3?

What if the people who like Origins love the changes and buy part 3 by the boatload? Either outcome is just as likely based on zero evidence and supposition.

They are alienating alot of their core fans with these moves, if you are on any other game forums other than this one, most people that post dislike the changes and think it looks really bad, those are likely customers that wont come back.

If we go by Mass Effect, the second part was loads more popular than the first. Whatever "core fans" (whatever that might mean) were lost was more than made up for by all the new players who become the new "core fans." Sometimes we are going to move in a direction that fans of previous games disagree with, and that's fine. Our games cannot be everything to everyone. We just hope that maybe, if you don't like this game, you'll try out the next one.

I hope you are right, but its doubtful they will go back to the Origins style of game.

that is likey, since another Origins type game would take a long time to produce and very expensive.

I don't agree with you mister stanley i really hate the fact most old fun be always ridicolized when they come here to express their concerns callded troll or doomsayers and that only because we like a very different approach in a RPG and we hate the fact that dragon age 2 follows the mass effect 2 route... If i want to play mass effect i play mass effect bioware says the change they maded is for make the game distinct.. Honestly i don't see nothing of distinct in dragon age 2 for what showed in the trailer and for the official declaration seems more a short sequel and a rushed game with the goal only to sell more... But more sales don't means always nice quality.. Everyone goes to eat to MCdonalds but that's don't mean the food of mcdonals are good.. And remember the old core fans are who bring you here and make bioware grew up so i just want some respect as an old fan and not see evrytime moderators with easylock button lock evrything... But if fanboys attacks you or insults you only because you say you concerns and you tell you don't like the changes the moderators don't do nothing!
I prefear whait a lot more to have a better title and since the product shown don't have 1/3 of the origin features..

To answer to the topic creator well i have nothing aganist the fact we don't use warden again.. But im almost aganist the changes made by dragon age 2 for many factor...

First the new comic,anime look i don't like it i prefear the old one..
Second the animation design is ugly and rushed with anims that skip frame by frame and ends in ridicolus pose with any sense of battle.. I don't see them improved in nothing only in speed..
The new gameplay is too much hack n slash do you seen the rougue teleport move?
Over the top ability don't have sense i don't see how a dwarf with a crossbow shot a single arrow that makes a storm of arrow from the sky.. Just exagerrated
The new dialog whell with that schematic paraphrase system don't allow you to roleplay a complete character maded by you but forces to act you like a spectator in fact this system limit the psychology building of your character.. Ok you select tones.. But paraphrasing don't have nothing of strong to improve the dialogues only weakness that brokes your immersion in the game... "because this is supposed to be a roleplay game"

All those thing broke my interests to dragon age 2 and since im surprised in bioware acting..

[GreenSoda]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I hope you are right, but its doubtful they will go back to the Origins style of game.

that is likey, since another Origins type game would take a long time to produce and very expensive.

Sigh. What a sad thing to read .

It's all fully voiced PC, 20-30 hours RPGs from here on out...maybe with a sprinkle of multiplayer for future installments.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 03 février 2011 - 12:25 .

[DPB]

Monica83 wrote...

But if fanboys attacks you or insults you only because you say you concerns and you tell you don't like the changes the moderators don't do nothing!

If someone is insulting you, PM a moderator. That said, you're not doing yourself much good by casually throwing around insults like 'fanboy.' That's only going to cause incitement.

[Monica83]

Yes this is sad Greed very

[DPB]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

There ya go....Stan just admitted Origins didn't sell well enough to be considered for another project of a similar magnitude ....you know all the stuff I said before about how we have to buy as many DA2 copies as possible? I take it all back. Let none be sold, so bioware realizes that Origins' magnitude is the only way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!

In that case, it's unlikely that there would be any future DA games at all. The DA team would probably either be laid off or folded into one of Bioware's other projects. No publisher in their right mind is going to want to fund a game that takes many years to make in the current financial climate.

Modifié par dbankier, 03 février 2011 - 12:40 .

[Gabriel S.]

Faust1979 wrote...

When will some of the more hardcore fans get over the fact that most likely you won't play as the warden ever again?

I wouldn't say it's 'likely' that the Warden won't be returning, I'd say it's a certainty. Not only do I think a voiced protagonist is a step-up from the silent Terminator that was the PC, I also think BioWare would never again develop something like Awakening. [Insert threat that I won't be buying.] Considering the popularity of Mass Effect I should think that both BioWare and the suits from EA know quite clearly where they want to take their franchises.

[Blastback]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

When will some of the more hardcore fans get over the fact that most likely you won't play as the warden ever again?

I wouldn't say it's 'likely' that the Warden won't be returning, I'd say it's a certainty. Not only do I think a voiced protagonist is a step-up from the silent Terminator that was the PC, I also think BioWare would never again develop something like Awakening. [Insert threat that I won't be buying.] Considering the popularity of Mass Effect I should think that both BioWare and the suits from EA know quite clearly where they want to take their franchises.

Let's not forget that Dragon Age Origins is Bioware's most succesful game.  While no doubt a fair part of this due to the fact that Origins was released on all three platforms at once, I don't  think it is a sure bet by any means that Mass Effect is truely the more popular franchise.

Also, what part of Awakening was it you hated?  While I agree that it was flawed, it had plenty of potential, and was still good fun.

[Gabriel S.]

Blastback wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

When will some of the more hardcore fans get over the fact that most likely you won't play as the warden ever again?

I wouldn't say it's 'likely' that the Warden won't be returning, I'd say it's a certainty. Not only do I think a voiced protagonist is a step-up from the silent Terminator that was the PC, I also think BioWare would never again develop something like Awakening. [Insert threat that I won't be buying.] Considering the popularity of Mass Effect I should think that both BioWare and the suits from EA know quite clearly where they want to take their franchises.

Let's not forget that Dragon Age Origins is Bioware's most succesful game.  While no doubt a fair part of this due to the fact that Origins was released on all three platforms at once, I don't  think it is a sure bet by any means that Mass Effect is truely the more popular franchise.

Also, what part of Awakening was it you hated?  While I agree that it was flawed, it had plenty of potential, and was still good fun.

Mainly the 'undo certain decisions' part, then the fact that one of the companions would have to be left in the dark, depending on which of the three main quests you decided to follow last and then there's the companion approval system, which I think was a big mistake, but hopefully the lessons have been learned.

Of course there are a bunch of other stuff, but those are of the rank of regular stuff I use to criticize in every game.