LdyShayna wrote...
*smacks head* It's isn't clear to you. It isn't central TO YOU. Lots of people DO think it's central or at least important - both pro and con. It fundamentally changes the game to me. You claiming it can't be true is is just projection on your part.
It isn't clear
objectively.
Obviously you, as a long-time fan, feel this way. I, as a long-time fan, do not.
So if someone wants to say: here is clear evidence Bioware no longer designs the same kind of games, and they point to the audience reaction (who were with the company since the start) as proof, and you do not find any concensus as to whether this is true... you can't argue about any kind of objective thing.
What I am saying is not that you should be happy with what Bioware is doing; I'm saying you're wrong about claiming there is any objective or measurable change in their direction.
All you can say is that TO YOU the features are no longer enjoyable. So it's ironic you're trying to make this about me projecting.
Yes. I've noticed. And I've given feedback on what I liked and what I didn't. When they make games I'm not itnerested in, I don't buy them (ME2). I'm not against change in general, regardless of what you want to hint at.
I don't want to hint that you're against change. What I am
explicitly saying is that we disagree about what Bioware was about in the first place. And that's fine.
But they are leaving a different approach to the player character behind. An approach you don't care for. We have played the same games and enjoyed them for different reasons. I get that. You do too. Or I thought so.
What I am saying, though, is that Bioware was
always going for a certain experience. For some time, the way to achieve this experience was congruent with your playstyle. As Bioware developed more techniques to try and
refine that experience, certain kinds of ways of playing their games went out their window.
Let me say this clearly - I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE THE HARDCORE FAN. I think it's a ridiculous distinction. I claim to be part of their fanbase that they are leaving behind. No more. No less. I am not more important than anyone else. I'm not super special. I AM frustrated.
You were responding to a post that claimed that people who want to call themselves ''hardcore'' and argue that Bioware will fail without them are being egoistical. So if
this is what you want to say, I have no idea why you quoted me in the first place.
They could, but that has been shot down as a realistic argument to make. Repeatedly. Bottom line is all that matters.
No, it hasn't. In fact, when people trounce out the DA:O outsold ME2 line (or Fallout and TES outsold Bioware title) they generally do it to suggest that
silent VO is the more popular feature.
So in fact, there are arguments out there that we could make that Bioware did just the opposite.
So YOU might find you've been abandoned by the bottom line, but there isn't any concerete evidence available to settle the issue.
I understand that. Where did I say that everyone who were real fans should feel the same way I do? Where did I even HINT that this was the case?
Where did I say you did any of this? What I objected to was your suggestion that Bioware changed their design strategy.
Can you truly not accept that there are a group of people that feel this way and it can ever, ever be legitmate? I KNOW there are people who claim that. I am asking you to make a distinction between the arguments. I have NEVER said they should never make games that improve in ways YOU want. I AM saying that I am disappointed that they will not continue to make the games I want.
So long as you say,
To me, I feel like Bioware no longer makes games that I like... that's one thing. But accusing Bioware of shifting their design philsophy is quite another thing.
Where are you getting this? Where did *I* say that? If you want to address the other people in the thread, please do so. *I* want them to make SOME games of the type I want them to make. I try to make the case that there is an audience for it. They have made it clear now, that it doesn't matter. They don't believe the different audience is big enough to be worth pursuing. I find this frustrating.
Again - why the hell did you quote me if you aren't going to actually address anything I said. This is what I oepned with:
I think people want to feel special,
and so you hear the ''you'll faill without me!'' line that gets bandied
about. It isn't changing features that will kill a company, but making a
crap game. If you didn't want to address anything I said - and you seemed to disagree with this initlally - why are you involving me in you rant?
I addressed one particular group of people. You, apparently, are not part of that group. So what exactly died in your cereal this morning?
I don't see how it is an insult TO YOU or anyone else.
Huh? All I said was the claim that Bioware has changed their philosophy is unjustifiable as anything other than a subjective preference on your part relating to the individual features which are and are not available in your game.
Now, I love DA:O but so far I'm liking the direction of DA2 more, that might change after I play the game though. I'm incredible happy that the combat-shuffle is gone and that we might see some facial-animations this time around.
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....you know all the stuff I said before about how we have to buy as many DA2 copies as possible? I take it all back. Let none be sold, so bioware realizes that Origins' magnitude is the only way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!
