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[garrus and ashley fool]

which squad did you like better i liked me squad because they were my original team and got used to them you had more in me2 but it didnt feel the same

[samurai crusade]

ME2... I find myself strategizing. Which characters for which battle. ME2 gives more options.

That said... ME characters had more combat diversity (more skill points

[cegr25]

I liked that there was little skill overlapping in ME1, and extra combat points, but their characters as a whole had shallower personalities (Minus Wrex).



ME2's characters had less shallow personalities (if you take out Jacob this is especially true), but there were too many with overlapping skills and some characters were nearly useless outside of specific fighting situations (Tali).



Both had their advantages, that's for sure

[JeanLuc761]

They each have their pros and cons.

Mass Effect 1:

Pros
- More closely tied to the main plot line (Saren and the Reapers)
- Having a "squad briefing" after every main mission was great.

Cons:
- Liara and Tali were a little heavy on the "walking codex entry" archetype.
- No real loyalty missions to speak of, so actual "bonding" was a little difficult/nonexistent

Mass Effect 2:

Pros
- Far better individual characterization (Mordin alone is a better written and better developed character than anyone else in the series so far).
- More uniqueness between squadmembers, though some were a little too similar for comfort (Legion and Tali, for example).

Cons:
- Squad felt very disconnected. Each one seemed to exist in their own little world, and would only come to life when Shepard was talking to them. Obviously some exceptions (Jacob and Miranda, obviously), but this needs work.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 03 février 2011 - 02:00 .

[Kim Shepard]

I much preferred the ME2 squad. In my first few playthroughs of ME1, I used the same team every time because there were very few squadmates that I actually liked. In ME2, I alternated a lot more on my first playthrough and often wanted to bring more than just two squadmates.

For a more detailed version, here's a list. The scores range from favorites to strong dislike.

ME1

Kaidan: neutral
Ashley: strong dislike
Garrus: favorite
Wrex: favorite
Tali: neutral
Liara: strong dislike

Total: 2 favorites, 2 neutral, 2 strong dislike

ME2

Jacob: neutral
Miranda: dislike
Garrus: favorite
Mordin: like
Jack: like
Grunt: favorite
Tali: favorite
Thane: favorite
Samara: dislike
Morinth: strong dislike
Legion: like
*Zaeed: favorite
*Kasumi: like

Total: 5 favorites, 4 like, 1 neutral, 2 dislike, 1 strong dislike

*I don't have the DLC characters in my game, so this is based on youtube videos.

Also, the ME1 characters in ME2, even though they aren't squadmates:

Kaidan: dislike
Ashley: strong dislike
Liara: dislike (not counting LotSB because I haven't watched the youtube videos)

[Ryzaki]

ME1. I didn't feel like a damn therapist.



Also ME1 biotics = hilarity.

[xlavaina]

Going with Kim Shepard's format, I prefer the ME2 squad more. They had more variety, and I feel like all the members were fleshed out more than in ME1.



(scales from 1-10)

ME1:

Ashley: 2 - stereotypical racist human, very unappealing

Kaiden: 1 - bland, boring, totally stupidly uninteresting

Garrus: 7 - pretty awesome character in the first game, but lacking in the dialog section

Tali: 8 - as stated, a walking codex entry, but even that made her the most interesting out of them all

Wrex: 7 - total badass, his hardcore personality added some much needed intensity

Liara: 3 - bland blue human, once again, uninteresting



ME2:

Jacob: 2 - Bioware's continuation of bland human characters seriously surprised me

Miranda: 6 - definitely not as bad as Jacob, but I still wasn't too fond of her, and I didn't want her as my XO

Garrus: 9 - his character got a much needed overhaul and the depth of his back story was staggering, but he is still plagued by his lack of more dialog, which keeps him from a perfect ten

Mordin: 10 - obviously the most interesting and best written character in the game for obvious reasons

Tali: 10 - I said it before and I'll say it again, I think she is by far the most emotionally deep character and I feel that Bioware did a picture perfect job with her, like Mordin

Grunt: 5 - well okay... he's not great, not bad, I just felt like we got something of a subpar Wrex

Jack: 6 - she seems too intense to me, although it isn't misplaced, I just felt like she didn't belong on the team

Kasumi: 8 - I thought her personality was genius, but what the hell do we need a thief for?

Legion: 9 - no elaboration needed

Samara: 4 - boring, another Liara, overall pretty boring, although I did like the the fact that Morinth was her daughter

Thane: 7 - original back story, interesting character, sickness makes him even cooler

Zaeed: 4 - we didn't need another Jack



Okay thats my two cents. Also I think its obvious that after Horizon I hated Ashley and Kaiden even more, but I do feel like the devs did a good job with Liara in LotSB, even if her personality was totally bizarre and out of the blue.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Ryzaki wrote...

ME1. I didn't feel like a damn therapist.

Also ME1 biotics = hilarity.

i also felt like a therapist in me2

[garrus and ashley fool]

xlavaina wrote...

Going with Kim Shepard's format, I prefer the ME2 squad more. They had more variety, and I feel like all the members were fleshed out more than in ME1.

(scales from 1-10)
ME1:
Ashley: 2 - stereotypical racist human, very unappealing
Kaiden: 1 - bland, boring, totally stupidly uninteresting
Garrus: 7 - pretty awesome character in the first game, but lacking in the dialog section
Tali: 8 - as stated, a walking codex entry, but even that made her the most interesting out of them all
Wrex: 7 - total badass, his hardcore personality added some much needed intensity
Liara: 3 - bland blue human, once again, uninteresting

ME2:
Jacob: 2 - Bioware's continuation of bland human characters seriously surprised me
Miranda: 6 - definitely not as bad as Jacob, but I still wasn't too fond of her, and I didn't want her as my XO
Garrus: 9 - his character got a much needed overhaul and the depth of his back story was staggering, but he is still plagued by his lack of more dialog, which keeps him from a perfect ten
Mordin: 10 - obviously the most interesting and best written character in the game for obvious reasons
Tali: 10 - I said it before and I'll say it again, I think she is by far the most emotionally deep character and I feel that Bioware did a picture perfect job with her, like Mordin
Grunt: 5 - well okay... he's not great, not bad, I just felt like we got something of a subpar Wrex
Jack: 6 - she seems too intense to me, although it isn't misplaced, I just felt like she didn't belong on the team
Kasumi: 8 - I thought her personality was genius, but what the hell do we need a thief for?
Legion: 9 - no elaboration needed
Samara: 4 - boring, another Liara, overall pretty boring, although I did like the the fact that Morinth was her daughter
Thane: 7 - original back story, interesting character, sickness makes him even cooler
Zaeed: 4 - we didn't need another Jack

Okay thats my two cents. Also I think its obvious that after Horizon I hated Ashley and Kaiden even more, but I do feel like the devs did a good job with Liara in LotSB, even if her personality was totally bizarre and out of the blue.

ashley wasnt race just would choose the human race over aliens and even had a line about it
if you think she is racist then
wrex
garrus
salarians
krogan
mordin
all of the races are mostly racist beacuse they say way more then ashley does

[Kim Shepard]

I never felt like my Shepard was playing therapist for any of the squadmates from ME1 or ME2. The player can always choose not to speak with them or help them out if they don't care about that character and their problems.

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

ashley wasnt race just would choose the human race over aliens and even had a line about it
if you think she is racist then
wrex
garrus
salarians
krogan
mordin
all of the races are mostly racist beacuse they say way more then ashley does

It's not accurate to call an entire species racist - in most cases, there will be some who are and some who aren't. I don't understand why Mordin is included in that list either. Because he worked on the genophage? It was a mission, and he feels guilty about it even though it was thought to be the best solution to prevent war at the time. As for Garrus, I just considered him to be a little naive about certain species in ME1, like krogan and quarians. He didn't have much experience with them, and most of what he knew seemed to be what he heard from others. So basically, slight ignorance rather than racism. Not going to comment on Wrex because at the moment, I can't remember if he even said anything about other species aside from most of them being ignorant about the genophage.

Some of my favorite characters hate at least one other species, or think that their species is better. The ones on that list do not.

[AdmiralCheez]

ME2 squad, definitely. There was more to choose from, more strategy involved, and I found myself getting way more attached to each character. The only characters in ME1 I really gave a damn about were Wrex and Garrus. In ME2, I cared about Garrus, Tali, Legion, Mordin, Samara, Kasumi, Thane, Jack, and even a little bit for Miranda. They seemed more human to me, while in ME1 a lot of what they said seemed like a recording (walking-codex Tali, for example).



Not that I don't like Lira, Ashley, and Kaidan--they just took a lot longer to grow on me since the game didn't encourage me to interact with them as much.

[Kim Shepard]

That's one of the reasons why I liked Tali so much more in ME2. She had a great personality in the first game too, but it didn't show through as much. The quarian information was interesting, but I felt like it was a lot of in-depth political stuff to be told all at once. It was better to see it in action during her loyalty mission, which is one of my favorites out of both games.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I never felt like my Shepard was playing therapist for any of the squadmates from ME1 or ME2. The player can always choose not to speak with them or help them out if they don't care about that character and their problems.

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

ashley wasnt race just would choose the human race over aliens and even had a line about it
if you think she is racist then
wrex
garrus
salarians
krogan
mordin
all of the races are mostly racist beacuse they say way more then ashley does

It's not accurate to call an entire species racist - in most cases, there will be some who are and some who aren't. I don't understand why Mordin is included in that list either. Because he worked on the genophage? It was a mission, and he feels guilty about it even though it was thought to be the best solution to prevent war at the time. As for Garrus, I just considered him to be a little naive about certain species in ME1, like krogan and quarians. He didn't have much experience with them, and most of what he knew seemed to be what he heard from others. So basically, slight ignorance rather than racism. Not going to comment on Wrex because at the moment, I can't remember if he even said anything about other species aside from most of them being ignorant about the genophage.

Some of my favorite characters hate at least one other species, or think that their species is better. The ones on that list do not.

i didnt say there whole species were just most people at least that i came into contact with
and im not saying these people in the game are racist but if you put her in that category then you have to put  them in there as well
wrex talked smack about the turians when he was in the elevator with garrus
mordin has referred to krogan as caveman i dont think it was racist because he had a good point to it saying they were not ready same with ashley and ashley cared for other species and showed concern
im not saying anybody is racist but if you say ashley is then you have to put these other characters in the same situation

[Kim Shepard]

Well, you did refer to those species as "mostly racist," unless that wasn't the intent.

I don't remember any elevator conversations where Wrex talked about turians in general, just Garrus and Saren. Do you have any quotes? I might have missed them. Mordin's comment was more of an evolutionary comparison - the krogan weren't technologically advanced at the time, but they were given advanced weapons. That was just stating a fact in a way that he thought would make sense to Shepard.

I don't think Ashley is the type to hate another species, but she doesn't trust them for no other reason than the fact that they're a different species. After the First Contact War, especially with her grandfather's involvement, it's reasonable for the trust to not be there, and it's very realistic. She did make comments that came off as insulting though, and it's understandable if people didn't like that. I didn't like it either, more because of the comments themselves than the fact that she doesn't trust aliens.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Well, you did refer to those species as "mostly racist," unless that wasn't the intent.

I don't remember any elevator conversations where Wrex talked about turians in general, just Garrus and Saren. Do you have any quotes? I might have missed them. Mordin's comment was more of an evolutionary comparison - the krogan weren't technologically advanced at the time, but they were given advanced weapons. That was just stating a fact in a way that he thought would make sense to Shepard.

I don't think Ashley is the type to hate another species, but she doesn't trust them for no other reason than the fact that they're a different species. After the First Contact War, especially with her grandfather's involvement, it's reasonable for the trust to not be there, and it's very realistic. She did make comments that came off as insulting though, and it's understandable if people didn't like that. I didn't like it either, more because of the comments themselves than the fact that she doesn't trust aliens.

im saying if ashley is racist like people say she is then they mostly are and i could get you some quo.tes if you want to.
ashley refers to aliens as to somebody she doesnt want to trust over her own race. which is with the dog analogy
she says no matter how much you love your dog you will throw it at the bear to survive. meaning that if it comes down to my race or theirs im picking mine nothing wrong with that.
and some of this is directed at the council and the way other species come off at humans but i have heard worse from wrex garrus and other species.
after a short period of time she had no problems with garrus or tali
the problems she had with wrex and liara are reasonable

Modifié par garrus and ashley fool, 03 février 2011 - 06:38 .

[Kim Shepard]

I never said anything was wrong with her mindset, I just don't like the way she puts it into words. I thought the dog comparison came off as insulting, but others liked it. Just a difference of opinion.

Could you post some of the Wrex quotes here, if you have them? I missed a lot of elevator conversations because I mainly used the rapid transport. I still say Garrus' comments weren't racist though, just slightly ignorant.

[garrus and ashley fool]

here you go and i can understand the way she put it was wierd but when people dont like her because she is accused of being racist i dont understand but if you dont like her personality you are entitled to that opinon




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqAArgpNmfk&feature=related

Modifié par garrus and ashley fool, 03 février 2011 - 06:53 .

[Kim Shepard]

Her personality is the main thing I don't like. I don't like most of her opinions either, but distrust is an understandable one after a war. When I really think about it though, it wouldn't be such a strong dislike if not for the way her opinions are presented (which is based on personality).

Thanks for the links. I've actually heard those conversations before. It's true, Wrex doesn't seem to have a high opinion of turians in general because of past events. I guess his comments just don't come off as bad because he says it more like a sarcastic joke. Garrus, like I said, doesn't appear to have much experience with the krogan and the views he had in ME1 were based on what others told him. "I was raised to believe" implies that it might be his father's opinion. That's interesting. I wonder if it's because his father worked for C-Sec and possibly had trouble with krogan mercs.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Her personality is the main thing I don't like. I don't like most of her opinions either, but distrust is an understandable one after a war. When I really think about it though, it wouldn't be such a strong dislike if not for the way her opinions are presented (which is based on personality).

Thanks for the links. I've actually heard those conversations before. It's true, Wrex doesn't seem to have a high opinion of turians in general because of past events. I guess his comments just don't come off as bad because he says it more like a sarcastic joke. Garrus, like I said, doesn't appear to have much experience with the krogan and the views he had in ME1 were based on what others told him. "I was raised to believe" implies that it might be his father's opinion. That's interesting. I wonder if it's because his father worked for C-Sec and possibly had trouble with krogan mercs.

yeah good points maybe they will go more into garrus father in me3 or in a dlc they have so much they can do with dlc

also a couple of things ashley says

Ashley: I have heard some humans are angry after the attack on Eden Prime after all you did create the geth
Tali: The geth have killed billions and forced us from our home world most quarians believe we have payed for our mistake
Ashley: Hopefully having you fighting Saren will help change people minds
i think this means she hopes the best for tali and her people a great scene from the best females in me

Also in another conversation she says to shepard when she believes she thinks he is treating her diffrent
she tells him dont treat me diffrent from anyone else under your command if you have quit it

showing she wants no speacial treatment from aliens
that is for people who thinks she is racist not saying you do but the others just wanted to give those people some information

[Kim Shepard]

I hope anything else about Garrus' family will happen in ME3, and recruiting a turian army to fight the Reapers is a good reason to visit Palaven. As I said in my first post here, I don't have the DLC.

Yeah, and Ashley is the type who wouldn't want to be treated differently from the other humans either.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I hope anything else about Garrus' family will happen in ME3, and recruiting a turian army to fight the Reapers is a good reason to visit Palaven. As I said in my first post here, I don't have the DLC.

Yeah, and Ashley is the type who wouldn't want to be treated differently from the other humans either.

i think she meant anybody on the crew not just humans

[Kim Shepard]

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I hope anything else about Garrus' family will happen in ME3, and recruiting a turian army to fight the Reapers is a good reason to visit Palaven. As I said in my first post here, I don't have the DLC.

Yeah, and Ashley is the type who wouldn't want to be treated differently from the other humans either.

i think she meant anybody on the crew not just humans

That's what I meant - it wasn't a comment based on race, aliens or humans. It probably has more to do with her history of being treated differently because of her grandfather's actions in the war. I should have made that more specific.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Kim Shepard wrote...

garrus and ashley fool wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I hope anything else about Garrus' family will happen in ME3, and recruiting a turian army to fight the Reapers is a good reason to visit Palaven. As I said in my first post here, I don't have the DLC.

Yeah, and Ashley is the type who wouldn't want to be treated differently from the other humans either.

i think she meant anybody on the crew not just humans

That's what I meant - it wasn't a comment based on race, aliens or humans. It probably has more to do with her history of being treated differently because of her grandfather's actions in the war. I should have made that more specific.

oh i just wanted to be sure that what you meant but it could be

[Commander Kurt]

Honestly, in ME2 I felt like I was just doing the rounds. The only ones I actually enjoyed talking to were Garrus, Grunt and Mordin. Jack and Samara were okay. I do appreciate that people have a better chance of finding a character to their liking in ME2 due to the variety, but I'm more for balance. Jacob should have been a favourite for me, he seemed promising until boarding the Normandy, but..

[Rune-Chan]

cegr25 wrote...

I liked that there was little skill overlapping in ME1, and extra combat points, but their characters as a whole had shallower personalities (Minus Wrex).

ME2's characters had less shallow personalities (if you take out Jacob this is especially true), but there were too many with overlapping skills and some characters were nearly useless outside of specific fighting situations (Tali).

Both had their advantages, that's for sure

I agree with this.

Thane, Garrus, Legion and Zaeed for example are pretty interchangable overall.

If you give Thane the Locust SMG then he is just as effective at long range as the others with their AR's.

While two are tech, one is biotic and the other is a soldier, the differences in abilities are relatively minor.