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[marshalleck]

Serious response to the thread:



Human mage is distantly related to Hawke. One presumes Merrill will have something to say about dalish elf warden. Nothing specific is known about the other origins, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are all mentioned or referenced in some capacity beyond just being the hero of Ferelden.

[Sammyjb]

stephen1493 wrote...


*Shockingly closes gaping mouth*

I give you the best manners in the Bioware forum award.

[Cespar]

could it be that Varric may refer to our dwarf warden? like Merril refer to dalish elf and Mage warden get refer by Hawke mother. but that still leave Noble human,Elf mage and City elf

[Sammyjb]

Bonte15 wrote...

could it be that Varric may refer to our dwarf warden? like Merril refer to dalish elf and Mage warden get refer by Hawke mother. but that still leave Noble human,Elf mage and City elf

Why would Varric reference the dwarf warden? Not all dwarfs know each other. Even if the Noble was royalty. If they were made a Paragon, perhaps.

[stephen1493]

Sammyjb wrote...

Bonte15 wrote...

could it be that Varric may refer to our dwarf warden? like Merril refer to dalish elf and Mage warden get refer by Hawke mother. but that still leave Noble human,Elf mage and City elf

Why would Varric reference the dwarf warden? Not all dwarfs know each other. Even if the Noble was royalty. If they were made a Paragon, perhaps.

I could be wrong, but I think every Dwarf Origin was made into a Paragon.

[Melness]

Sammyjb wrote...

Bonte15 wrote...

could it be that Varric may refer to our dwarf warden? like Merril refer to dalish elf and Mage warden get refer by Hawke mother. but that still leave Noble human,Elf mage and City elf

Why would Varric reference the dwarf warden? Not all dwarfs know each other. Even if the Noble was royalty. If they were made a Paragon, perhaps.

Try asking Oghren about the surface.

Even if you don't know someone in person, you've got to know that some guy was a noble/casteless and, against all odds, almost single handely saved a nation.

Modifié par Melness, 03 février 2011 - 02:10 .

[Cespar]

Sammyjb wrote...

Bonte15 wrote...

could it be that Varric may refer to our dwarf warden? like Merril refer to dalish elf and Mage warden get refer by Hawke mother. but that still leave Noble human,Elf mage and City elf

Why would Varric reference the dwarf warden? Not all dwarfs know each other. Even if the Noble was royalty. If they were made a Paragon, perhaps.

i pretty sure that Dwarfs would care about a Dwarf that was raised up from the Dust town and became a warden and later became a Hero plus Varric's brother isa merchant and he probably hear great infomation on his travels. just a thought

[Haverrun]

In one of the "default" origins wardens you can import is a dwarf noble who exiled Alistair, spared Loghain, and put Anora on the throne.

[stephen1493]

Haverrun wrote...

In one of the "default" origins wardens you can import is a dwarf noble who exiled Alistair, spared Loghain, and put Anora on the throne.

and then he said...

[Mr. Monius]

stephen1493 wrote...

So it was "announced" some time ago that only 5% of Dragon Age players carried through with a dwarven origin.

Too bad, as I thought the dwarven origins were the best of the bunch.

Still, I'm sure we're in for at least a passing mention of the royal intrigue in Orzammar, no?

[bsbcaer]

stephen1493 wrote...

Sammyjb wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Sammyjb wrote...

We likely won't see any reference to any origin, except perhaps the mage origin as they have the same last name.

Well  different origin's were placed in all the default storyline's for the people who weren't importing.
So I believe that it's  VERY fair to assume that your origin story will be referenced.

I was just wondering if Dwarves were largly overlooked due to the lack of Dwarf Wardens.

If we were in Fereldan, most definitely. In the Free Marches, with their own issues, I don't think they really care what race the guy who killed the archdemon was. 

I respectfully disagree.
Tales were sung of Garahel, the last vanquisher of the Blight, for 400 years.

A Blight brought down wouldn't exactly sprout apathy among the masses.

Place yourself outside of Ferelden for a minute...How do you know that a blight actually occurred?  More than likely, all you're hearing is that (a) a sheepload of darkspawn decided to take a trip up to the surface and ( Ferelden underwent a civil war.

traditionally (in dragon age lore) a blight tended to encompass more than one country...from an outsider's perspective, what happened in DA:O wouldn't necessarily be seen as a blight

[stephen1493]

Mr. Monius wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

So it was "announced" some time ago that only 5% of Dragon Age players carried through with a dwarven origin.

Too bad, as I thought the dwarven origins were the best of the bunch.

Still, I'm sure we're in for at least a passing mention of the royal intrigue in Orzammar, no?

I can understand why though.

Morrigan and Leliana fawning over you, while your face is belly button level, kind of kills my immersion.

[stephen1493]

bsbcaer wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Sammyjb wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Sammyjb wrote...

We likely won't see any reference to any origin, except perhaps the mage origin as they have the same last name.

Well  different origin's were placed in all the default storyline's for the people who weren't importing.
So I believe that it's  VERY fair to assume that your origin story will be referenced.

I was just wondering if Dwarves were largly overlooked due to the lack of Dwarf Wardens.

If we were in Fereldan, most definitely. In the Free Marches, with their own issues, I don't think they really care what race the guy who killed the archdemon was. 

I respectfully disagree.
Tales were sung of Garahel, the last vanquisher of the Blight, for 400 years.

A Blight brought down wouldn't exactly sprout apathy among the masses.

Place yourself outside of Ferelden for a minute...How do you know that a blight actually occurred?  More than likely, all you're hearing is that (a) a sheepload of darkspawn decided to take a trip up to the surface and ( Ferelden underwent a civil war.

traditionally (in dragon age lore) a blight tended to encompass more than one country...from an outsider's perspective, what happened in DA:O wouldn't necessarily be seen as a blight

So no tale will be sung of Ferelden, the country who single handidly brought down a Blight?

No one in the world will revere the Warden who did everything possible to spare the world from that calamity.

That Wardens won't even spread the word of the demon's of today coming true, only to be brought down by three Warden's and the armies that the 2 warden recruit's gathered?

Yeah... I don't buy it.

[Sammyjb]

stephen1493 wrote...

So no tale will be sung of Ferelden, the country who single handidly brought down a Blight?

No one in the world will revere the Warden who did everything possible to spare the world from that calamity.

That Wardens won't even spread the word of the demon's of today coming true, only to be brought down by three Warden's and the armies that the 2 warden recruit's gathered?

Yeah... I don't buy it.

"Blight?" We have dismissed that claim.

[stephen1493]

Sammyjb wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

So no tale will be sung of Ferelden, the country who single handidly brought down a Blight?

No one in the world will revere the Warden who did everything possible to spare the world from that calamity.

That Wardens won't even spread the word of the demon's of today coming true, only to be brought down by three Warden's and the armies that the 2 warden recruit's gathered?

Yeah... I don't buy it.

"Blight?" We have dismissed that claim.

you sir..
you can stick around.

[Melness]

bsbcaer wrote...

Place yourself outside of Ferelden for a minute...How do you know that a blight actually occurred?  More than likely, all you're hearing is that (a) a sheepload of darkspawn decided to take a trip up to the surface and ( Ferelden underwent a civil war.

traditionally (in dragon age lore) a blight tended to encompass more than one country...from an outsider's perspective, what happened in DA:O wouldn't necessarily be seen as a blight

And do you seriously believe that the near anihialation of a country doesn't affect the rest of the world? The refugees in kirkwall is a good example.

[bsbcaer]

stephen1493 wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Place yourself outside of Ferelden for a minute...How do you know that a blight actually occurred?  More than likely, all you're hearing is that (a) a sheepload of darkspawn decided to take a trip up to the surface and ( Ferelden underwent a civil war.

traditionally (in dragon age lore) a blight tended to encompass more than one country...from an outsider's perspective, what happened in DA:O wouldn't necessarily be seen as a blight

So no tale will be sung of Ferelden, the country who single handidly brought down a Blight?

No one in the world will revere the Warden who did everything possible to spare the world from that calamity.

That Wardens won't even spread the word of the demon's of today coming true, only to be brought down by three Warden's and the armies that the 2 warden recruit's gathered?

Yeah... I don't buy it.

Not in the short time that we're talking about (within a decade of the events in Ferelden).  What Im saying (and asking you to do) is, for a minute or two, remove the information you have from the game and put yourself in a situation where communication is NOT instantanous (ie. you can't watch a country implode on television) with competition between close nations.  A blight hasn't occurred in over 400 years, and here we have a nation that just (relatively) recently freed itself from occupation and all of a sudden this nation claims to have single handedly stopped a blight.  That's a rather tall tale to buy isn't it?  Even if you have Ferelden refugees coming to the Free Marches (which you do)  most of them are saying they're on the run from a bunch of Darkspawn, how does that prove anything more than a large excursion of Darkspawn rather than a blight...

A much more plausible story is that one faction of Ferelden nobility took advantage of a darkspawn excursion to seize control and eliminate a rival.  His enemies collected an army to march against him, ending with the darkspawn beseiging Denerim because they decided to focus on each other rather than knock the Darkspawn on the nose and send them back down...

How long did it take "the Greatest Generation" to start being referred to as "the Greatest Generation"? 

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't think putting in passing reference to the imported origins is something that would cost BioWare a lot of time or money, so we're as likely to see it for the dwarves as for any of the other origins. All we're likely to get is the odd bit of different dialogue here and there.

[bsbcaer]

Melness wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Place yourself outside of Ferelden for a minute...How do you know that a blight actually occurred?  More than likely, all you're hearing is that (a) a sheepload of darkspawn decided to take a trip up to the surface and ( Ferelden underwent a civil war.

traditionally (in dragon age lore) a blight tended to encompass more than one country...from an outsider's perspective, what happened in DA:O wouldn't necessarily be seen as a blight

And do you seriously believe that the near anihialation of a country doesn't affect the rest of the world? The refugees in kirkwall is a good example.

Oh, Im not saying that it didn't affect the rest of the world, Im just saying that outsiders wouldn't necessarily refer to it as a blight....Countries tear themselves apart and it has a serious effect on the rest of the world (see, for example, Egypt).  The destabilization of Ferelden will have an effect, Im fairly certain of that...

[stephen1493]

bsbcaer wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Place yourself outside of Ferelden for a minute...How do you know that a blight actually occurred?  More than likely, all you're hearing is that (a) a sheepload of darkspawn decided to take a trip up to the surface and ( Ferelden underwent a civil war.

traditionally (in dragon age lore) a blight tended to encompass more than one country...from an outsider's perspective, what happened in DA:O wouldn't necessarily be seen as a blight

So no tale will be sung of Ferelden, the country who single handidly brought down a Blight?

No one in the world will revere the Warden who did everything possible to spare the world from that calamity.

That Wardens won't even spread the word of the demon's of today coming true, only to be brought down by three Warden's and the armies that the 2 warden recruit's gathered?

Yeah... I don't buy it.

Not in the short time that we're talking about (within a decade of the events in Ferelden).  What Im saying (and asking you to do) is, for a minute or two, remove the information you have from the game and put yourself in a situation where communication is NOT instantanous (ie. you can't watch a country implode on television) with competition between close nations.  A blight hasn't occurred in over 400 years, and here we have a nation that just (relatively) recently freed itself from occupation and all of a sudden this nation claims to have single handedly stopped a blight.  That's a rather tall tale to buy isn't it?  Even if you have Ferelden refugees coming to the Free Marches (which you do)  most of them are saying they're on the run from a bunch of Darkspawn, how does that prove anything more than a large excursion of Darkspawn rather than a blight...

A much more plausible story is that one faction of Ferelden nobility took advantage of a darkspawn excursion to seize control and eliminate a rival.  His enemies collected an army to march against him, ending with the darkspawn beseiging Denerim because they decided to focus on each other rather than knock the Darkspawn on the nose and send them back down...

How long did it take "the Greatest Generation" to start being referred to as "the Greatest Generation"? 

Few thing's to be considered.

The Taint's reaction to the landscape of Ferelden. Any scholar would be able to see that that is no evidence that can be planted by a noble.

Also the beam of light that burst forth from the Archdemon, that lit up the world and tore a hole through the sky. Pretty sure that would have been taken note of.

Also Diplomats and foreigners also have a place in any country around the world. Which would be ane eye witness account of what happened.

Finally,  It'd be ignorant for anyone to believe that the noble's would and could bribe every commoner, diplomat, dwarf, and especially elf that was around to bear witness.

[bsbcaer]

stephen1493 wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Place yourself outside of Ferelden for a minute...How do you know that a blight actually occurred?  More than likely, all you're hearing is that (a) a sheepload of darkspawn decided to take a trip up to the surface and ( Ferelden underwent a civil war.

traditionally (in dragon age lore) a blight tended to encompass more than one country...from an outsider's perspective, what happened in DA:O wouldn't necessarily be seen as a blight

So no tale will be sung of Ferelden, the country who single handidly brought down a Blight?

No one in the world will revere the Warden who did everything possible to spare the world from that calamity.

That Wardens won't even spread the word of the demon's of today coming true, only to be brought down by three Warden's and the armies that the 2 warden recruit's gathered?

Yeah... I don't buy it.

Not in the short time that we're talking about (within a decade of the events in Ferelden).  What Im saying (and asking you to do) is, for a minute or two, remove the information you have from the game and put yourself in a situation where communication is NOT instantanous (ie. you can't watch a country implode on television) with competition between close nations.  A blight hasn't occurred in over 400 years, and here we have a nation that just (relatively) recently freed itself from occupation and all of a sudden this nation claims to have single handedly stopped a blight.  That's a rather tall tale to buy isn't it?  Even if you have Ferelden refugees coming to the Free Marches (which you do)  most of them are saying they're on the run from a bunch of Darkspawn, how does that prove anything more than a large excursion of Darkspawn rather than a blight...

A much more plausible story is that one faction of Ferelden nobility took advantage of a darkspawn excursion to seize control and eliminate a rival.  His enemies collected an army to march against him, ending with the darkspawn beseiging Denerim because they decided to focus on each other rather than knock the Darkspawn on the nose and send them back down...

How long did it take "the Greatest Generation" to start being referred to as "the Greatest Generation"? 

Few thing's to be considered.

The Taint's reaction to the landscape of Ferelden. Any scholar would be able to see that that is no evidence that can be planted by a noble.

Also the beam of light that burst forth from the Archdemon, that lit up the world and tore a hole through the sky. Pretty sure that would have been taken note of.

Also Diplomats and foreigners also have a place in any country around the world. Which would be ane eye witness account of what happened.

Finally,  It'd be ignorant for anyone to believe that the noble's would and could bribe every commoner, diplomat, dwarf, and especially elf that was around to bear witness.

Well, as interesting as this is, I think that it is going a little far afield from your original post and I think that we're going to probably have to agree to disagree about the short term perception of the events in Ferelden.  Just don't want to get your thread locked for being off the topic...

As for the effect of origin choice in the original in DA2, I don't think that it'll have much of an effect, but rather bigger decisions/choices you make (Orzammar, Ferelden leadership for example) will carry over and have a world changing result...

[stephen1493]

bsbcaer wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Place yourself outside of Ferelden for a minute...How do you know that a blight actually occurred?  More than likely, all you're hearing is that (a) a sheepload of darkspawn decided to take a trip up to the surface and ( Ferelden underwent a civil war.

traditionally (in dragon age lore) a blight tended to encompass more than one country...from an outsider's perspective, what happened in DA:O wouldn't necessarily be seen as a blight

So no tale will be sung of Ferelden, the country who single handidly brought down a Blight?

No one in the world will revere the Warden who did everything possible to spare the world from that calamity.

That Wardens won't even spread the word of the demon's of today coming true, only to be brought down by three Warden's and the armies that the 2 warden recruit's gathered?

Yeah... I don't buy it.

Not in the short time that we're talking about (within a decade of the events in Ferelden).  What Im saying (and asking you to do) is, for a minute or two, remove the information you have from the game and put yourself in a situation where communication is NOT instantanous (ie. you can't watch a country implode on television) with competition between close nations.  A blight hasn't occurred in over 400 years, and here we have a nation that just (relatively) recently freed itself from occupation and all of a sudden this nation claims to have single handedly stopped a blight.  That's a rather tall tale to buy isn't it?  Even if you have Ferelden refugees coming to the Free Marches (which you do)  most of them are saying they're on the run from a bunch of Darkspawn, how does that prove anything more than a large excursion of Darkspawn rather than a blight...

A much more plausible story is that one faction of Ferelden nobility took advantage of a darkspawn excursion to seize control and eliminate a rival.  His enemies collected an army to march against him, ending with the darkspawn beseiging Denerim because they decided to focus on each other rather than knock the Darkspawn on the nose and send them back down...

How long did it take "the Greatest Generation" to start being referred to as "the Greatest Generation"? 

Few thing's to be considered.

The Taint's reaction to the landscape of Ferelden. Any scholar would be able to see that that is no evidence that can be planted by a noble.

Also the beam of light that burst forth from the Archdemon, that lit up the world and tore a hole through the sky. Pretty sure that would have been taken note of.

Also Diplomats and foreigners also have a place in any country around the world. Which would be ane eye witness account of what happened.

Finally,  It'd be ignorant for anyone to believe that the noble's would and could bribe every commoner, diplomat, dwarf, and especially elf that was around to bear witness.

Well, as interesting as this is, I think that it is going a little far afield from your original post and I think that we're going to probably have to agree to disagree about the short term perception of the events in Ferelden.  Just don't want to get your thread locked for being off the topic...

As for the effect of origin choice in the original in DA2, I don't think that it'll have much of an effect, but rather bigger decisions/choices you make (Orzammar, Ferelden leadership for example) will carry over and have a world changing result...

Agreed.. I think:huh:

I was just wondering if I should go ahead and erase that origin completly or go ahead and  follow it through.

[Cespar]

me too