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[Ace Attorney]

 Midly related to my older topic, I recently learned Oghren and Wynne have great party banter. This makes me consider using both, problem is, I got most specializations locked (first playthrough). I only have Berserker, Templar, Spirit Healer, and Shapeshifter unlocked. I am a Nuker Shapeshifter, probably going Spirit Healer (Arcane Warrior is redundant to me, but Blood Magic looks interesting though). I dunno what specs to give Oghren (I have the Knight Commander's Plate and two The Spellwards already [one is for me]. That would make a Templar Oghren 80% Spell Resist right of the bat, but that might make him superfluous if I use Alistair) and Wynne (I hear Blood Mage is all the rage and I have a few Blood Magic gear, but it is so out of character for her to learn it...), and if going with one needing unlocking, I need to get it fast (I know where they are) as I am lvl 13.

P. S. My 4th member is probably a toss between Alistair, Shale, or Leliana.

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 03 février 2011 - 02:17 .

[ussnorway]

Leliana is the best of those choices because of the traps, locks and stealing.
Wynne does not really need blood because of her speciality spell.
p.s.
Save your game before doing the Blood/ Reaver unlocks and then just load that save after... they remain unlocked.

Modifié par ussnorway, 03 février 2011 - 03:24 .

[HolyAvenger]

Rotate through all your companions to get the best banter. I'm a big fan of Zev-Wynne as well as Oghren-Wynne.

[Ace Attorney]

ussnorway wrote...

Leliana is the best of those choices because of the traps, locks and stealing.
Wynne does not really need blood because of her speciality spell.
p.s.
Save your game before doing the Blood/ Reaver unlocks and then just load that save after... they remain unlocked.

How fast is the Arcane Warrior unlocked (I know it is during the Elves' quest, but don't know how fast you get it)? I guess if it is early enough, I can go unlock it and reset back to Orzammar (I just got Ogren in my party). That is, if Wynne should be one. Other option is Shapeshifter but I am one myself and there is Morrigan too.

[JosieJ]

Remember, there's nothing that says you have to assign the specialty point as soon as the opportunity arises, so don't let the fact that you're level 13 stampede you into choosing prematurely. If you save some talent/spell points, when you do get the specialty you want, you can start filling in the talents/spells right away.



I'm sure Oghren would do well as a Templar, but I've never tried that because it seems so contrary to the lore.



I never assign Wynne's second specialty point. As you mention, it seems so out of character for her to be a Blood Mage (or Shapeshifter), and I never bother with Arcane Warrior as I generally want her to be a healer, not a fighter.



Hmm, I guess that's not very helpful, is it?!

[Ace Attorney]

Why is a Templar out of character for a Dwarf?

[JosieJ]

1. Dwarves can't do magic.

2. Dwarves generally don't believe in the Maker. Remember, Templar is a holy order; they take vows and everything.

[Ace Attorney]

JosieJ wrote...

1. Dwarves can't do magic.
2. Dwarves generally don't believe in the Maker. Remember, Templar is a holy order; they take vows and everything.

1. Yes they can, they are just regularly not apt to it. 
http://dragonage.wik...ical_Resistance

Unlike elves and humans, dwarves do not naturally enter the Fade when they dream and cannot tap into it, though this does not mean they are completely barred from the Fade. Because of this, they have a resistance to magic, which also gives them a resistance to the dangerous effects of lyrium.
It is hinted that dwarves may not be absolutely barred from magic. The fact that dwarves may be forced into the Fade (via Sloth Demon or the First's spell) and that surface dwarves lose resistance to lyrium may be evidence that dwarves may be able to do magic. Dwarves can also learn the Templar and Spirit Warrior specializations, which tap into what are arguably magical powers. Despite this, no dwarf mages are known and it is yet to be seen if they actually do exist.

2. Who says you need to believe in the Maker? Alistair teaches you the skills, regardless of your religion.

I would say a Templar Dwarf is highly unlikely, but not outside the lore.

[JosieJ]

Hey, I was just saying how it appeared to me (hence why I said I wasn't being useful, as I gave no actual advice). It just seems out of character to me for a dwarf--specifically Oghren--who has not been raised with any mages around (as your own link points out) to all of a sudden feel the need for them to be regulated and controlled (the bedrock raison d'etre of the Templars).



And no, I guess one wouldn't have to believe in the Maker to learn the skills, but since the equipment is emblazoned with the flaming cross and whatnot, it just seemed kinda weird to me.



I guess Oghren could decide that the skills are useful against enemy mages, though.

[shatteredstar56]

T3hAnubis wrote...

1. Yes they can, they are just regularly not apt to it. 


2. Who says you need to believe in the Maker? Alistair teaches you the skills, regardless of your religion.

The only magic dwarves can is working with lyrium, because they are born resistant to it, because of their location underground.  Strong lyrium can addle them (the shopkeeper right next to the deep roads, and probably Sandal), but they can't do spells.

[Ferretinabun]

Few points:

1) Nuker Shapeshifter/Healer. Hmmm, spreading the mana pretty thin there, perhaps. Hope it works for you, though Wynne is definitely an asset to any party - especially with slightly fragile DPS warriors like Oghren, so they make a good fighting pairing too.

2) ussnorway is right about Leliana. You'll regret it if you don't take a rogue, if only for all the xp they get from picking locks, disarming traps, etc.

3) JosieJ is right about not having to rush into levelling up. You are able to pick a second spec at level 14, but you don't have to. You can keep the point and level up later.

4) Templar is fine for Oghren if you don't think it's out of character for him, though I usually hang on and give him Champion (you won't be able to miss it, though it is unlocked rather late in the game). As for Wynne, I usually give her the Arcane Warrior spec just for the sake of giving her something. The other two are very out of character. Arcane Warrior's out of character too, but least there's a good plot reason how she might have learnt the necessary skills.

[Ace Attorney]

 I almost never run out of mana currently as a lvl 12 Shapeshifter Nuker, and when I do, I have the Warden's Keep abilities and Shapeshifter skills. Though I am thinking of Arcane Warrior in an interesting way (see here).

[HolyAvenger]

Remember the Templar spec (and skills) are different from taking vows and joining the Templar order. Alistair just teaches you the skillset. Not sure how its different from Morrigan teaching you shapeshifting or Oghren teaching you berserking, RP-wise.

[Ser Kory]

I think Templar is out of character for Oghren for one huge reason. He doesn't care about mage-killing in any way. As a berserker, he would be more attuned to learn the reaver's skills anyway, or a champion if you wish.

[ussnorway]

If you need someone to be a Templar then that's what Oghren will learn in order to be a good party member.